Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Try again. The asteroid that took out the dinos was the Chicxulub impact which is estimated at 100 teratons. You know the step beyond gigatons!

100 terratonnes would have left a surface scar that would STILL be there today... you suggesting that the Atlantic or Pacific oceans are the result of this 100 terratonne impact?

[TW Scott]

100 terratonnes would have left a surface scar that would STILL be there today... you suggesting that the Atlantic or Pacific oceans are the result of this 100 terratonne impact?

Chicxulub crater is still there 65 million years later. Highly eroded thats to the fact that it is mostly limestone, but is there. You grossly over estimate how big a blast 100 teraton blast would be.

[Kittamaru]

You do realize that:
1) The asteroid collision theory is just that for the REASON that such an impact would leave the earth in a shambles that is difficult to recover from
2) You are basing all this on the belief the earth was formed that many million years ago
3) The belief the earth was not created only 5k years ago (creationalism vs scientology... but please, let us NOT get into that)

And if the power you state is true, then by your OWN NUMBERS the Death Star should NOT have blown up Aldaaran at all.

[TW Scott]

You do realize that:
1) The asteroid collision theory is just that for the REASON that such an impact would leave the earth in a shambles that is difficult to recover from
2) You are basing all this on the belief the earth was formed that many million years ago
3) The belief the earth was not created only 5k years ago (creationalism vs scientology... but please, let us NOT get into that)

And if the power you state is true, then by your OWN NUMBERS the Death Star should NOT have blown up Aldaaran at all.

1) It's a viable scietific theory today. Thought I am beginning to see your problems with understanding what i am talking about.

2) Hey, they say the world is 4.5 billion years old i believe them, escpecially when they provide some evidence.

3) Oh please, lord save me form you r misguided people.


Finally. Alderaan was destroyed which means the weapon uses was billions of times more powerful than the asteroid strike in question.

[Hellblade8]

Hey Scott, are you going to reply to my posts?

[Lord Vasago]

I wonder what Spaceball fans would use to beat ST or SW, because its a spoof and it defies all logic....Use the Power of the Swartz

I am a MOG, i'm my own best friend.


and if i'm not mistaking; on the moment they are at the restaurant where the alien come's out of the dude's stomach and starts dancing. Take a good look outside on the landing platform. You see the millennium Falcom and the enterprise side by side.

[Lord Vasago]

I've look into some things this weekend. From a book on vessels and ships from Starwars (Wich is canon bij the way). I found out that an ISD can destroy a planet on his own. But no time was mentioned or firepower numbers.
The Executor was only 13km long instead of 17km many ppl claim it to be. But the SuperStarDestroyer Eclipse was twice the Executors size. Meaning 26km long. On the front there was a SuperLazer mounted, had 500 Turbolazers,
500 ioncannons. Two gravitywellprojectors on enormous amount of tie-defenders, tie-bombers, tie-intecepters. It was said the eclipse could take the out the entire rebel fleet on his own.
In total there where 8 superstardestroyers from the elipse-class build. All eight capable of atmosfherick flight.
Try to top that. (the flight i meant : a ship 26km long)(St i mean not Independence day where suacers are 25km diameter)

Then I saw an episode of voyager this weekend. Indeed Voyager seems to be moving very close to our sun in the openingscene. How can it move so close under a solarflare and to the sun. The gravity alone would have pulled it into the sun.
Now on the episode. The voyager is flying toward an ioncloud with is interfering with there scanners. They are attacked by a species far less advanced as theirselves. These species are aided bij chacota's ex-cardassien-girlfriend Sesca our something. She gave the Harmonics of the shields and bingo a small ship flies into voyager making it unable to warp and allowing these species board Voyager and steel transpoter module.
I hope this was enough description of the episode for trekkies to know what i'm talking about.
Now as everthing stated in this episode i came to the conclusion that.

Janeway is willing to sacrifies her ship and crew to save her first officer.
Tuvoc said there was a hole of 4meters in the shield after one hit.
Ones you can optain the codes of a Tfp ship, the ship is yours.
That ionclouds effect the sensors
Tuvoc said you have to lower shield to transport
You can transport at warp but it is dangerous
Transporters can be jammed by a less advanced species.
Officers can escape the security and steel a shuttle without anyone knowing it.

[Hellblade8]

I've look into some things this weekend. From a book on vessels and ships from Starwars (Wich is canon bij the way). I found out that an ISD can destroy a planet on his own. But no time was mentioned or firepower numbers.
The Executor was only 13km long instead of 17km many ppl claim it to be. But the SuperStarDestroyer Eclipse was twice the Executors size. Meaning 26km long. On the front there was a SuperLazer mounted, had 500 Turbolazers,
500 ioncannons. Two gravitywellprojectors on enormous amount of tie-defenders, tie-bombers, tie-intecepters. It was said the eclipse could take the out the entire rebel fleet on his own.
In total there where 8 superstardestroyers from the elipse-class build. All eight capable of atmosfherick flight.
Try to top that. (the flight i meant : a ship 26km long)(St i mean not Independence day where suacers are 25km diameter)

Said source is questionable at best. Saxon, the man who wrote those TMs seems to have very little understanding of Star Wars. First off, he claims that the bolt we see on screen isn't the actual weapon, but the afterglow so to speak. The real weapon is in front of the bolt. This is not only absured in what we see on screen, but just plain retarded. No military group would add flashs to the back of their weapons, because doing so is not only confusing, but gives away the position of said ship.

Also, the TMs are wrong. Yes, I just said they are wrong. Han clearly states in ANH that not even the entire Starfleet can destroy a planet. Thus, those power levels are non-canon. Furthermore, don't you find it odd that the Empire would need to build a station the size of a F*ing moon in order to get the power to blow up a planet in a single blast? That and the firepower that we see in Star Wars is alot weaker than what he seems to claim. Lets put it this way, if what he said where true, the Death Star could have obliterated the oncoming fighters in ANH simply by aiming their blasts at a single point and destroying the fighters with the shock waves. Then we have a clear indication that TLs can only vaporize a small town. That's the highest its been given by Lucas himself. Anything that claims otherwise is non-canon in that aspect.

Then I saw an episode of voyager this weekend. Indeed Voyager seems to be moving very close to our sun in the openingscene. How can it move so close under a solarflare and to the sun. The gravity alone would have pulled it into the sun.

That's not a big deal. In Relics, after the shields where reduced to 27%, Data stated that the shileds would hold up against an unstable sun for three hours before the shields wouldn't be strong enough to protect them from the raditation.

[Lord Vasago]

Hellblade this book is not writen by any Saxon.

As I said it stated that a isd can destroy a planet on his own but there was no number or time mentioned. We all know that alderan was destroyed In 2 a 3 seconds.
If and isd would use all his firepower and tie-bombers and EVERYTHING It has. If can destroy a planet. We're not talking about compleet anahillation af a planet like alderan.


Yet there withnessed a star going nova at 10 billion miles in voyager and there ship has a shield drop about 7%.
Nah not going there, So shields are strong enough but how about gravitation pull. We know voyager can leave a planet on it's own butt need tremendous power to do so. Yet the fly a few million miles from a sun.

[Hellblade8]

Hellblade this book is not writen by any Saxon.

My mistake.

As I said it stated that a isd can destroy a planet on his own but there was no number or time mentioned. We all know that alderan was destroyed In 2 a 3 seconds.
If and isd would use all his firepower and tie-bombers and EVERYTHING It has. If can destroy a planet. We're not talking about compleet anahillation af a planet like alderan.

What do you mean when you say destroyed? As in everything on the planet is dead, or the planet is destroyed?

[Lord Vasago]

My mistake.

no prob mate

What do you mean when you say destroyed? As in everything on the planet is dead, or the planet is destroyed?

I'm sorry that is not stated in the book. That why presume it's more destoying the abbilaty for the planet to sustain life than the aqual distruction of the planet itself. But the effect would be the same i suppose.

The book stated that ISD are a common assault ship, but can be modified as the captain sees fit for a mission. a little bit of 'PIMP' my space ship

[Hellblade8]

Yet there withnessed a star going nova at 10 billion miles in voyager and there ship has a shield drop about 7%.
Nah not going there, So shields are strong enough but how about gravitation pull. We know voyager can leave a planet on it's own butt need tremendous power to do so. Yet the fly a few million miles from a sun.

Voyager has been known to act very strange with its physics. Voyager's consistency is right above Enterprise in many terms. It also doesn't help that the ship seems to be powerful in one episode, but weak in the other. Not because of normal plot holes at times, but just because of the simple fact that Voyager is a light scout ship with supplies that would often be thinning, and systems that you just can't repair fully without new parts or spacedock.

[Hellblade8]

I'm sorry that is not stated in the book. That why presume it's more destoying the abbilaty for the planet to sustain life than the aqual distruction of the planet itself. But the effect would be the same i suppose.

The book stated that ISD are a common assault ship, but can be modified as the captain sees fit for a mission. a little bit of 'PIMP' my space ship

Well, before we assume it means breaking it down into tiny little pieces, lest try to keep it within the realm of what Lucas created. How many medium and heavy turbolasers does this book say these ships have?

[Lord Vasago]

Voyager has been known to act very strange with its physics. Voyager's consistency is right above Enterprise in many terms. It also doesn't help that the ship seems to be powerful in one episode, but weak in the other. Not because of normal plot holes at times, but just because of the simple fact that Voyager is a light scout ship with supplies that would often be thinning, and systems that you just can't repair fully without new parts or spacedock.

I see, this episode is on the tape of the greatest battles 'Voyager'. Therfore i thought it was his maximum. my mistake

[Lord Vasago]

Well, before we assume it means breaking it down into tiny little pieces, lest try to keep it within the realm of what Lucas created. How many medium and heavy turbolasers does this book say these ships have?

i don't have the book with me but i'll give you a description on and normal ISD and the autor of the book. I know if came out before the prequels.

[Hellblade8]

I see, this episode is on the tape of the greatest battles 'Voyager'. Therfore i thought it was his maximum. my mistake

I hardly call many battles from Voyager "great". Also, do remember that the ships is a light scout ship. This ship has been tossed into the Delta Quadrent, has no space dock and few spare parts. Even if they manage to get by in one episode, they can't repair shield emitters as easily, or many other things. Not only that, but there are at least two or three times where they've had to remove Borg hardware from their ship as well as face a few weak borg ships themselves. Their very much lucky that the ship isn't a wreck. In fact, another UFP ship that was stuck in the Delta Quadrent was in such bad shape when they met it, its doubtful the thing could take on even a Miranda class starship and hope to win.

And again, its Voyager. Its the show where apparently Warp 10 is you being in everyplace in the universe at once and for some reason, the deformed Paris picked a planet within short traveling distance of Voyager...

[Lord Vasago]

I hardly call many battles from Voyager "great". Also, do remember that the ships is a light scout ship. This ship has been tossed into the Delta Quadrent, has no space dock and few spare parts. Even if they manage to get by in one episode, they can't repair shield emitters as easily, or many other things. Not only that, but there are at least two or three times where they've had to remove Borg hardware from their ship as well as face a few weak borg ships themselves. Their very much lucky that the ship isn't a wreck. In fact, another UFP ship that was stuck in the Delta Quadrent was in such bad shape when they met it, its doubtful the thing could take on even a Miranda class starship and hope to win.

And again, its Voyager. Its the show where apparently Warp 10 is you being in everyplace in the universe at once and for some reason, the deformed Paris picked a planet within short traveling distance of Voyager...

I see, it's to bad there are somuch flaws, i liked the episode though.

[Hellblade8]

i don't have the book with me but i'll give you a description on and normal ISD and the autor of the book. I know if came out before the prequels.

Hmmm, tough call. It would have to mean killing all life on a planet (possible given enough time). An ISD is incappable of blowing up a planet on its own.

[Lord Vasago]

o before i forgot, in the book was explainded that SW ships are not shielded when in hyperspace. there a 3 kind of shields they change to see fit at the moment. Normal shield(on almost all the time), ray-shields(against energie and radiation and stuff) and physical shields(only used in combat).

Fighters do have shields but no navigation computer. therefore droids are used to make hyperspace.

Slave 1 has illegal jamming and cloaking features making it possible to land on even the best shielded and defended planets without anyone knowing it. There where specialised cagest inside to hold Jedi prisoner.

The Millennium is the only ship with a 0.5 hyperspace engine.
The outrider is second with 0.75

The second death star is larger and more powerfull than the first. but not so in firepower but in time to reload. It takes seconds to fire again.

The executor was destroyed because it was pulled into the gravitational pull of the deathstar and not DIRECTLY because the a-wing hit the bridge.

[Lord Vasago]

Hmmm, tough call. It would have to mean killing all life on a planet (possible given enough time). An ISD is incappable of blowing up a planet on its own.

I think it's the wright conclusion. but if one shot can oblivared a town it is powerfull enough to destroy al life on the planet with only turbolazers.

I must agree on SMALL in sw not being so small as some ppl think. a village with a population of 5 million ppl is tiny in SW. i mean tiny not small. as tiny being a pee and small an orange.