Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Lord Vasago** · 05-24-07, 03:14 AM

Everyone keeps refuring to the ISD and Enterprise. What about Mon calamari cruisers. The Klingons must have something else than BOP i guess?

The borg are useless. An Ewok with a slingshot can take him down.
I interested in those Voth though. What can they do except transwarp?

can the warpcore of a ship be replicated?

The enterpise E can go warp 9.7 but not for a long time. Why?

If the empire can manage to take a Fedaration ship. Howlong will it take for scientists to replicate it's technology.
I mean it, both universes would have eachothers tech in matter of days. So Q is the only thing left.

**Lord Vasago** · 05-24-07, 03:44 AM

wouldn't you join the Empire. I bet Riker would

**Lord Vasago** · 05-24-07, 08:50 AM

I've been thinking. This one is for you Kittamaru & FoolfromHell.

You assume that Q were human and got back in time. Wright?
Therefore Q woudn't excist nor would the enterprise J.
If we were to kill all remaning humans in ST Q would disapear so would the Enterprise J.

Because If ST humans are dead they can't possibly evolve into Q Nor can they build enterprise J.

there's time for ya, Ha Yes kaching.

Just kidding but it is a thought

come on SCOTT am i wright or am i wright.

**Enterprise-D** · 05-24-07, 12:25 PM

Q are not and were never human in origin.

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Yes, I do, ET the Extra Terrestial. If you notice the very same race was part of the Old Republic senate in Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

Actually even if that doesn;t qualify as proof you would have to prove that they were destroyed as the base assumption would be they go on.

Actually, amny of your arguments centered around how they would get around the ST galaxy. Besides it is not like ST could cross intergalatic distances in any sane amount of time.

It's canon galaxy against canon galaxy, part of the canon is the age of the galaxy itself. Suck it up.

Yes...but you're assuming they're part of the same universe. The Milky Way as it appears in the Star Gate series or as it appears in ET or in Star Wars but correlating relations is not necesarily the same Milkway Galaxy...it merely "looks" the same.

**FoolFromHell** · 05-24-07, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Vasago

I've been thinking. This one is for you Kittamaru & FoolfromHell.

You assume that Q were human and got back in time. Wright?
Therefore Q woudn't excist nor would the enterprise J.
If we were to kill all remaning humans in ST Q would disapear so would the Enterprise J.

Because If ST humans are dead they can't possibly evolve into Q Nor can they build enterprise J.

there's time for ya, Ha Yes kaching.

Just kidding but it is a thought

come on SCOTT am i wright or am i wright.

I was joking...
Scott makes assumptions.
If he has the right, so do I.
Plus, Q says that humans will eventually ascent to something much stronger than even Q...

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 02:24 PM

When did he say that?

**Enterprise-D** · 05-24-07, 02:43 PM

Q has never said that, Q is disdainful of humans generally, but he and the Q begrudgingly have hopes for the younger races...except maybe klingons

They DO have respect for the Borg though. (STVOY, S7, Episode entitled Q2)

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 02:46 PM

Yes. I recall..."the ultimate consumer"

I have a question...why haven't we've seen the reuse of the famous regerating Cube we saw in the first episode? how do you think it's done?

**Kittamaru** · 05-24-07, 03:17 PM

Actually, a good point was made... making it ST's universe (Milky way) vs SW's Universe (inner and outer rings and all that jazz)

Star Trek would have, as allies.

StarGate
Babylon 5
Andromeda
and (potentially) Galactica

But that's different timelines... if we are assuming full length timeline, then all of those things would have had umpteen thousands of years to "evolve"... but my question is this:

if SW has been around for so damn long... why is it the Jedi are just now dying out? Why haven't people come to accept them yet? in Trek their timeline is shorter but more concise with less loopholes overall

**Kittamaru** · 05-24-07, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Saquist

Yes. I recall..."the ultimate consumer"

I have a question...why haven't we've seen the reuse of the famous regerating Cube we saw in the first episode? how do you think it's done?

All Borg ships can regenerate- it involves taking power from weapons, engines, and life support and routing it directly into the repair subroutines. Few borg ships (I think ONLY tactical cubes and tactical spheres) are able to move and fire while in regeneration- it's basicly "sleep" mode, but allows for very quick repair.

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 03:20 PM

but how does the hull and component just ...grow back...it's metal...

**Kittamaru** · 05-24-07, 03:47 PM

It's not just a solid piece of metal- it's quadrillions of microscopic Nanites as well. They break down the busted up pieces of ship and reassemble them where they should be. Sort of like how when you break your bone- you simply stick the two pieces approximately where they SHOULD be, and your body does the rest. Same with the nanites.

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 04:02 PM

But there was whole sections being recreated...and Enterprise took out 20% of the ship

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 04:12 PM

Check this out...

If that borg mine spoke of in Star Trek Voyager rated at 5 million Isoton is true...I think we can find out the true fire power of the ISO in Megaton terms.

They tell us that 5,000,000 ISO tons would have a dispersal radius of 5 lightyears. Well I looked up a little info on blast radius.

It seems The Hiroshima bomb had a blast radius of about a mile (from yaho questions) They say a 1 mega ton nuclear weapon would effect about 7 miles.

Using a simple porportion...it seems

that a 5,000,000 Iso ton warhead would equal a 4.2 billion mega tons.
If I did the math right then...

1 ISOton equals about 840 megatons

making 25 ISOton warhead about 21,000 megatons....
I've got to confirm these numbers though....

**Oli** · 05-24-07, 04:17 PM

Using a simple porportion...it seems

It's not directly proportional - it varies with the cube root of nominal yield. I have a spread sheet set up somewhere on my hard drive. I'll post a link/ PM it to or something, when I find it if you want.

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 04:19 PM

On the other Hand...If we use the proportion to calculate just the blast radius of the afore mentioned Solar system which at least 100 AU's then...

1 ISOTON equals 265 megaton of matter and antimatter as used in a torpedo.

at just 25 Iso tons a torpedo could produce a 6,642 megaton blast. Impressive....

**~~Saquist~~** · 05-24-07, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Oli

It's not directly proportional - it varies with the cube root of nominal yield. I have a spread sheet set up somewhere on my hard drive. I'll post a link/ PM it to or something, when I find it if you want.

Of course...I figure one is for an atmospheric blast and the other for a blast in a vaccuum. I'd be most appreciative for any information please post a link for that spread sheet. I'm not a math major so I'd appreciate an explanation too. If you don't mind.

**Kittamaru** · 05-24-07, 07:05 PM

It has to do with the borg nanites and how the ships are designed Saquist- beyond that, I'm not 100% sure.

I do know that it makes it damned hard to kill

**TW Scott** · 05-24-07, 09:25 PM

[QUOTE=Lord Vasago;1407510]Everyone keeps refuring to the ISD and Enterprise. What about Mon calamari cruisers. The Klingons must have something else than BOP i guess?[/quoute]

The problem is that is a small, slow, relatively fragile space craft can fly through a klingon Heavy Cruiser without slowing down, then it does not bode well for the Klingons in the combat.

The borg are useless. An Ewok with a slingshot can take him down.

Borg are beyond usless in a real war. They are always on the offensive, the one race that put them on the defensive almost destroyed them. They are unimaginative, and slow. There are many races in SW that could easily take them out. Prime examples would be Noghri, Ewoks, Gamorreans, and Gungans. SW Slicers could do a real number on Borg turning their own link against them on a regular basis.

I interested in those Voth though. What can they do except transwarp?

Well, we did not witness a single Voth weapon. The only thing besides transwarp was a near perfect warp and 70,000 ton capacity transporter.

can the warpcore of a ship be replicated?

Everything but the Antimatter and Dilithium crystals. Of course the rest of it is just simple metallic parts.

The enterpise E can go warp 9.7 but not for a long time. Why?

It takes a huge amount of power to travel at warp 9.7. You have to take apart space in front of you at incredible speeds and put it back together behind you and move many of the nearly massless particles out of your way.

If the empire can manage to take a Fedaration ship. Howlong will it take for scientists to replicate it's technology.

Given SW tendencies they would only want Replicators and Transporters. Nothing else ofn the ship is worth the trouble. Even then SW would only use transporters for cargo and droids.

I mean it, both universes would have eachothers tech in matter of days. So Q is the only thing left.

It would take ST decades to master SW power sources, shields, weaponry, and hyperdrives. SW Droids would take at least ten years to master as even something like Data is beyond ST. Though mostly due to lack of examples, if diplomacy came first I could See Starfleet purchasing several million Astromechs of various models just to get to use the little buggers.