Star Wars vs Star Trek

[OpteronGuy]

The post saying "VICTORY TO DUNE !!!" was bait to lure you trekkies and warries outta bed.

Ohhhhh! Now I see!

Well yeah, that was the whole plan, wasn't it?

[CounslerCoffee]

We should start a new thread.

Battle Star vs. Babylon 5. Now that could be interesting... My money is on the White Stars, though.

[OpteronGuy]

We should start a new thread.

Battle Star vs. Babylon 5. Now that could be interesting... My money is on the White Stars, though.

Never watched either, or read anything about either... So I wouldn't be able to be in that one.

[CounslerCoffee]

Sorry.

In case you haven't noticed... I'm a huge Scifi nerd... I'm the moderator of a scifi board for cryin' out loud!

[OpteronGuy]

Sorry.

In case you haven't noticed... I'm a huge Scifi nerd... I'm the moderator of a scifi board for cryin' out loud!

Nope, couldn't tell

[Kron]

Rigghhtt...I see everyone is bored of the topic, and instead of arguing, they are all babbling. Heck, this thread is toast. (And it was the only reason I joined sciforums in the first place...)

[Starthane Xyzth]

We should start a new thread.

Battle Star vs. Babylon 5. Now that could be interesting... My money is on the White Stars, though.

Good idea. I will do just that!

Oh, and I hope you stick around, Kron...

[OpteronGuy]

Rigghhtt...I see everyone is bored of the topic, and instead of arguing, they are all babbling. Heck, this thread is toast. (And it was the only reason I joined sciforums in the first place...)

Well, it's hard to debate out the war if the ST and SW guys aren't willing....Soo...

[Roman]

The Federation in Star Trek is, by Gene Roddenberry's design, an enlightened democracy, and is reassuringly the dominant power in our corner of the Galaxy. Even the Galactic Republic, as portrayed in Star Wars episodes I & II, seemed like a fair and egalitarian system for collectively governing so many different member societies - however decayed and imperfect it had become.

But the Feds are such pussies! Picard vs. anyone in a fist fight, and Picard would inevitably get his ass kicked.

As for the "going backwards" bit, Dune is only backwards if humanity in your world view has somewhere to go, and only backwards if you believe that people can better rule themselves than a good ruler can rule them.

A feudal society fit the swords and sticks theme better. The Dune universe was far more isolationist than either the Trek or Wars universe, and isolationism typically leads to feudal societies.

The Dune Universe wasn't entirely feudal, either. There was the Guild, the Witches, the Ixian Theocracy and the Tleilaxu Masters.

Perhaps Herbert was making a statement about human nature and our need for strong men?

[OpteronGuy]

Perhaps Herbert was making a statement about human nature and our need for strong men?

Maybe not so much as strong men, but along the lines of strong men and women? One without the other can not survive.

Also I agree that Dune was very isolated once Leto II came into power but before that space travel was very popular. I think an underlying theme of Herberts books was that, without change in a controlling power (Government, military, etc) the shorter the life space of that power. Granted it could last centuries before it's demise, in the grand scheme of things that is nothing.

[Starthane Xyzth]

But the Feds are such pussies! Picard vs. anyone in a fist fight, and Picard would inevitably get his ass kicked.

Really? Picard beat a few opponents hand-to-hand in ST:TNG - a Klingon or two, and at least one Romulan (who are supposed to be intrinsically stronger than humans). Not bad, since he was clearly well past his prime.

Not to mention that, in his youth, he was the only freshman who ever won the Starfleet Academy marathon, and had the guts to pick a fight with some Nausicaans twice his size.

[Roman]

Ooh, impressive. Picard defeated opponents with face putty on. Shit son, watch out!

[OpteronGuy]

*Thinks Roman needs a beer*

Calm down man, it's ok. Who knows, Picard might have actually been able to beat up the few wussies of the different races. Picard against anyone from Dune... Fahgedaaboutit

[WilliamShanterROCKS]

Well personally I was a Star Wars Fan that went Star Trek... But then realized I can't survive with only one. But in a battle I must say probably Star Trek would win.... Looking at the all the things I've seen on Star Trek they could kill the Jedi, or the Death Star. I look at it this way in Star Trek they were capable of resetitng sheild harmonics and stuff like that to make their shields adapt to what they were using... in star wars that don't happen. Also there is the borg... I'm sorry but the Borg are ass kicking.. JEDI BORG! I never saw the end of Voyager and I heard the Borg no longer exist which make me upset. But however in a battle Star Trek would win... In popularity Star Wars would win. There is more action in Star Wars then Star Trek, more romance, more everything... Except Photon Torpedoes and Spock. However William Shatner and Patrick Stewart have the best voices and faces for ship Captians.. and Darth Vader is just COOL! That is all I have to say... But I'll tell you one reason I stared watching Star Trek because lets see who fucked with the original trilogy and made it gayer... hmm George Lucus.... Personally he should not have screwed with his movies cause that made me really really mad! But none the less don't choose a side people both franchises are equally butt kicking!!!!!!!!!!

[OpteronGuy]

I can agree to both being really cool in their own ways... However Dune trumps them all.

[Kron]

I'm with ya OpteronGuy. Let's see Picard verses Duncan Idaho! (Or paul, or any Bene Gesserit, or any Honoured Matre, or the Tyrant, or Miles Teg, or any Fish Speaker, or any ........)

[Starthane Xyzth]

I never saw the end of Voyager and I heard the Borg no longer exist which make me upset.

Yes, in that final Voyager episode it did appear that the entire Borg collective was falling apart... I didn't want to believe that. The novels which follow the lives of the crew after their return to Earth do reintroduce the Borg in an innovative way, however.

I assume that, considering how huge and widespread the Collective was, certain parts of it will have been able to adapt to Janeway's neurolytic pathogen (as to any other threat) before they could all be consumed. The Queen may have died, but she was really the anthropomorphisation of an inherent command function - a new queen would be generated before too long.

But I'll tell you one reason I stared watching Star Trek because lets see who fucked with the original trilogy and made it gayer... hmm George Lucus....

What do you mean by gayer? Just adding new special effect shots and restoring deleted scenes, in the 1997 special editions, didn't exactly detract from the movies.

[CounslerCoffee]

Just adding new special effect shots and restoring deleted scenes, in the 1997 special editions, didn't exactly detract from the movies.

Yep. The new Star Wars movies are homosexual in some ways. (Hint: His name is Jar Jar)

[OpteronGuy]

I'm with ya OpteronGuy. Let's see Picard verses Duncan Idaho! (Or paul, or any Bene Gesserit, or any Honoured Matre, or the Tyrant, or Miles Teg, or any Fish Speaker, or any ........)

Just imagine Picard and/or Kirk against Paul during his fight with Feyd. LOL how comical would that be.

Or when Miles goes ape on the guys on Gammu. Ahhh, all the funny scenes I can think of.

[Starthane Xyzth]

Jedi vs. Bene Jesserits? I'm inclined in favour of the former.

Yep. The new Star Wars movies are homosexual in some ways. (Hint: His name is Jar Jar)

Damn right about Jar-Jar - good thing he wasn't in the Special Editions I was talking about earlier.