Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Good point FFH- HyperSpace routes must be discovered, not simply made

[FoolFromHell]

Yeah right, a massive EMP. takeing out your friend along with the droids. By the way. How do you expect to solve the shockwave that an massive Emp would create. and the recochets from nearbij asteroids and planets.

Meanwhile Als the homeplanets are being obliverated.

Don't understand me wrong. I'm a huge trek fan also. I love voyager DeepSpace 9, I saw every episode with kaptain kirk. but when it gets to cheer combatabilitys. Sw just rules.

They need to map the Hyperspace routes to get the Death Star to Earth, etc.
Will takes years. Enough time to mount an ST counter-attack.

[esp]

Assume a basic fatality rate of one 'Borg in ten.
From one cube, that leaves ninety-odd thousand capable of assimilation.
Assume from that an eighty percent efficacity...
that assimilates at least seventy percent of the resisting force.

ergo, minimum of sixty thousand (per 1000000) left to fight...



YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED

[TW Scott]

And risk contaminating Earth?
The Feds had very little warning before the cube showed up and the genesis device takes a few days/weeks to initiate.

You are basing you comment on what? besides the inventor and ONLY person who could make it work is dead and gone. Only two were built, both used and no more to come.

Soran's device?
Omega Partiales?
Q?
How about ramming a huge asteroid at Warp Speed at the Death Star?
The Feds would never do that to a planet, too many innocents, but they will definetely do it to the Death Star if possible.
Hyperspeed cant hit planets and make a huge impact but you can do that at Warp Speed...

Soran's Device: Problematic as noone can duplicate his technology and he is dead.

Omega particles: Even the Borg could not handle them without catastrophe.

Q: by their own rules they would not interfere as it is basically mortals versus mortals. Hell it is even Human versus Human. If Q did not help against the Dominion they will not help.

Warp Speed Projectile: Useless, even if you did put a warp engine on an asteroid the fact that the Warp drive mysteriously eliminated Mass means that the energy result would be 0. Mass x Speed squared. Also warp drive is inertialess.

They still need to stick to Hyperspace routes which can be mined with self-replicating mines. Last I checked, SW sensors suck and they dont have replicator technology.

hahahaha. Your understanding of hyperspace is pathetically niave. Yes there are major Hyperspace routes, but they are just well surveyed trade routes that are sop well mapped tha Hypersapce travel along them is easy. Hyperspace can go anywhere that there isn't a significant gravity shadow. It takes a lot of gravity to produce such a shadow. A replicating mine is not going to have enough mass.

Oh and they do have replicator technology, they just use it for building and such. After all you want to keep trade flowing and economies prosperous. I mean SW had millions of planets and Trillions of sentients and a Strong robust economy.

And you do?

Actually I researched before I ever joined this convo and have backed my claims with numbers and canon. I mean really how is a ship supposed to defend itself against a weapon whose output is 60 times more than the ship's main reactor?

[Kittamaru]

You are basing you comment on what? besides the inventor and ONLY person who could make it work is dead and gone. Only two were built, both used and no more to come.



Soran's Device: Problematic as noone can duplicate his technology and he is dead.

Omega particles: Even the Borg could not handle them without catastrophe.

Q: by their own rules they would not interfere as it is basically mortals versus mortals. Hell it is even Human versus Human. If Q did not help against the Dominion they will not help.

Warp Speed Projectile: Useless, even if you did put a warp engine on an asteroid the fact that the Warp drive mysteriously eliminated Mass means that the energy result would be 0. Mass x Speed squared. Also warp drive is inertialess.




hahahaha. Your understanding of hyperspace is pathetically niave. Yes there are major Hyperspace routes, but they are just well surveyed trade routes that are sop well mapped tha Hypersapce travel along them is easy. Hyperspace can go anywhere that there isn't a significant gravity shadow. It takes a lot of gravity to produce such a shadow. A replicating mine is not going to have enough mass.

Oh and they do have replicator technology, they just use it for building and such. After all you want to keep trade flowing and economies prosperous. I mean SW had millions of planets and Trillions of sentients and a Strong robust economy.




Actually I researched before I ever joined this convo and have backed my claims with numbers and canon. I mean really how is a ship supposed to defend itself against a weapon whose output is 60 times more than the ship's main reactor?

Warp Drive only eliminates mass within the field- upon impact with the target, drop the warp field. The Projectile drops to normal space and WHAM you get bitchsmacked with a small planetoid at the speed of light. Good day.

Wars does NOT have replicator tech- it is NEVER shown. NOT ONCE.

And they had a robust economy, yet got omgwtfllama raped by a rebel alliance with few people and almost no source of income.

You keep saying their weapons are strong- prove it. Don't speculate, prove it.

[FoolFromHell]

But one reaching that level of power does not mean other will. Wesley Crusher can bend space and time, but can every human do that? No.

He was manipulated to do that.
Kes was not.
Q can turn humans into Qs too, like Riker.

The Vulcans hid it on themselves before. It isn't that they are stupid it is that they are smart enough to make it impossible to reassemble. Also the Vulcans are EXTREMELY logical. If they deduced that their best chance of survival was surrender they would do so. They have no pride to get in their way.

"If they deduced that their best chance of survival was surrender they would do so. They have no pride to get in their way."
Tuvok knew he will die in the Delta quadrant but he obeyed orders.
Vulcans are not as stupid as you think. They value freedom as much as Humans. They fought for every inch of space when the Dominion attacked.

Actually Starfleet figured out a new set of Shield harmonics that did nuetralized the Breen weapon entirely. This suggest the weapon used the harmonics as a method of draining the power. As for the statement regarding Ion Cannons, I was merely trying to make them more useful to ST side.

SW has no variation in Harmonics.
The Breen weapon will destroy it no matter what.

Space Troopers would not get sucked into space, the suits have mini ION thrusters and magnetic clamps, as well as a Mini proton torpedo luancher and blaster cannons. So venting will not help, at all. As for the EVA suits, yes the Federation as Vacuum suits, but you do not see a single Exoskeletal suit of armor in the entire series, not once.

Actually, the force of venting air will send the troops flying into space. They will get into a free spin and will die a slow death. The empire consider them expendable and wont save them.

Yeah fire a disrupter at a Wookie, singe a little fur and piss him off so that he rips you in half. Wookies also use bowcasters, long guns (super heavy blasters) and even normal blasters.

A Disruptor blows a HOLE in the wookie.
It cant survive without medical help.

There were boarders on the Enterprise during Nemesis, not once did you see transporters used to beeam them to the brig. Also when Picard and Data were aboard the Scimitar, if the transpoerters were an option both of them would be in the brig.

Because the Enterprise has defenses to not beam to the bridge.
During the episode with the Bynars, Picard had to switch off the bridge transporter defenses. Plus, the Remans obviously had defenses against transporters. As for Data and Picard, the Reman higher authority is slow to react. The guards need to tell their leaders of Picard and Data.

Then open your eyes and watch the series again. Phasers have a hit ration of only 75% and that is against slow moving targets.

And Storm Troopers have a hit rate of less than 5%...

Two Words: Bull Shit Explanation: Watch DS9 again. You will at least once that they don'[t even know the meaning of the term ground tactics. They don't understand abaltive armor. They have no support or automatic weapons, and no concept of artillery (something they must have lost between TOS and TNG) Plus The Federation has maybe 2 trillion inhabitants. Coruscant alone has 6 times that many.

From Wikipedia
Population of Coruscant
"1 trillion+ (according to literature)."
You have no idea what you are talking about. How do you say how many inhabitants the Federation has?
Plus, look how nice life is for the Average Federation citizen vs. Coruscant... Look at the obvious crime rate differences.
The Federation doesnt need ground troops. They can bombard from the air and the Borg/ Klingon/ Dominion are better are ground warfare than the Empire and their inaccurate Storm Troopers.

As for your Stormtrooper line. The only times the Stormtroopers have show great incompetence was when ordered to let people escape. I still argue that on Endor the Storm troopers were doing well until Chewie stole and armored vehicle and destroyed the only other remaining one. Also 400 troopers versus 1500+ native, 50 navy SEAL like commandos, and the Heroes were out numbered

Rephrase as 400 crack, elite troops + vehicles + defensive position vs. 1500 primitives with spears and rocks vs. 50 inadequately armed rebels...
Hardly a contest... The Empire should won if they were Federation troops... The arrogance of the Empire captain in teh bunker led to their downfall

Actually it makes quite a bit of sense. The knight is quite capable of defending himself agains similarly armed opponents. He may even fair well against some one with a slightly superior weapon, armor, or transport. But against an opponenet he cannot harm, can out run him and in one shot penetrate his defenses the battle is hopeless. He can put nicks in the paint or can get someone if they leave the tank, but that is it. Meanwhile the Tank has the option of running him over, blowing him up, using the machine guns to mow him down, or they can by pass him all togehter and crush his castle.

#1 he can easily harm... ST has weapons on par with or superior than SW as proven by much evidence.
#2 SW can easily outrun SW. SW needs to map Hyperspace routes.
#3 The analogy is more like 10,000 Knights (Empire) vs. 2 F-22 Raptors (ST) The Raptors embody the stealth, technology, and brute force.
Numbers dont matter in this match.

[Kittamaru]

Scott, you are loosing ground with every post.

Why not simply resign yourself with what little dignity you have left?

[FoolFromHell]

Scott, you are loosing ground with every post.

Why not simply resign yourself with what little dignity you have left?

He has lost it all.
He fights because he has nothing to lose.

[Kittamaru]

This is true... what a sad situation that must be.

[Challenger78]

Its true, Universe on Universe, ST has the diversity and skill as well as the technology and determination to outwit, outlast and outkill SW. The Jem hadar are more of a match for the Sith and the stormtroopers. Also , the borg can survive in space for a limited period of time far longer than your Space troopers,
The Federation's hull is strong enough to withstand your mini torpedoes.
Ground Tactics, what about this, On Betazed Federation both utilized the natural Talent of the Betazoids and used stealth and transport tactics to seize control from the Jem Hadar with MINIMAL casualties. Also, In the books,
From emergency Rescue from an asteroid, Planetary peacekeeping , Or insurgent control , the federation has always handled it and ADAPTED. It too can sacrifice people for the greater good. The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many on most occasions.

[Fettman]

What about the CIS sure they have crapy B1 battle droids but what about Cortosis B3-Battle droids? The cortosis they are made of can even withstand a lightsaber.

[Lord Vasago]

For EMP Gungan's have shields to resist that. How long do you think it will take before all SW ships have the tech opparating

Cloaked Bird of Pray vs Phantom-TIEfighter.

For home defence : Unless you have some kind of shield round the planet like in buck Rogers, Groundtroops will break trough. Some AT-AT flanked by some TIE-crawlers protected bij gungans And mass droidika's on ground and Lambda assaultboats in air.
We even throw in some Insects like in episode 3 (Sorry racename slip my mind at the moment).
Once de powerplants fail. bye bye defense. So its up to handcombat.
I admit with Klingons it will be a fears battle.

In Space Almost every series forgets on thing. they all think space is flat.
In space the battle can occur in every direction. Infact the largest ship could move in one direction but turn round his axes.

If that where the case it would take an very special pilot to fly that ship.
Humans cant, g-force and stuff.
I know a few races in SW who can go from -10 to +10 without blinking an eye. Are there species in ST who could fly a ship like that?

Look as I said before i just love SCI-FI. Startrek, Space above an beyond, Firefly, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica. love um all
I don't want to pull ST down; but St has one big problem.

There are tomany sides in ST all working against each other, backstabbing treason. allthough you can get these species to cooperate it would last long.
In SW there are 3 sides.
1. For the Empire
2. Against the Empire
3. Neutral

that is just 3 sides to join, i admit it would be easy too but in ST it would be damn impossible.

ferengi would sell federation out to make a buck.
Borg will assimilate anyone ST and SW. Some ally.
I'm just wandereing about Q; they think that they are so superiour do you think they will help at the begining. or (more probably) wait en have fun looking at the fights going on and the lives wasted before the intervine (when it's to late for ST)

As i presume both sides wouldn't take long to find a way to abtain eachtothers technologies at the end i will all depend on who has the best stategies. Both sides would take a beating but...................................
SW will prevale ; He we still have that black dude you know Vader lol

In fact i would like to see a ballte wetween some klingons and darth Maul.
Some nice action however the outcome lol

[Lord Vasago]

Kittamary

You seem to know a lot of ST tech ; You know a good site where I can find lots of info on the Vessels in ST . Some nice renderings.
Like Voyager and stuff. I'm not interested in species just als ships from all sides.

I you some sites about vehicles from other sci-fi those are welcome also thx.
We are prop buiders and i need some blueprints. visit our site and see some stuff we made. you can find the url in my profile

[FoolFromHell]

For EMP Gungan's have shields to resist that. How long do you think it will take before all SW ships have the tech opparating

Gungan shields dont have EMP.
None of their weaponry is mechanical or electrical.
Its animal-based.

Cloaked Bird of Pray vs Phantom-TIEfighter.[/QUOTE]
How many Phantom TIE Fighters are there?
Plus, BoPs are HUGE compared to TIE Fighters

For home defence : Unless you have some kind of shield round the planet like in buck Rogers, Groundtroops will break trough. Some AT-AT flanked by some TIE-crawlers protected bij gungans And mass droidika's on ground and Lambda assaultboats in air.
We even throw in some Insects like in episode 3 (Sorry racename slip my mind at the moment).
Once de powerplants fail. bye bye defense. So its up to handcombat.
I admit with Klingons it will be a fears battle.

The Borg will excel at combat.
With no shields on the AT-ATs, beaming a bomb or troops to capture it will be no problem

In Space Almost every series forgets on thing. they all think space is flat.
In space the battle can occur in every direction. Infact the largest ship could move in one direction but turn round his axes.

The ISDs turn on their axis very slowly and move relatively slowly.
Their weapons mostly point forward...
The Enterprise is the largest Fed ship and could run circles around any ISD. Plus, ST acknowledged that fact. It just was easier on the ships to be pointing upward...

If that where the case it would take an very special pilot to fly that ship.
Humans cant, g-force and stuff.
I know a few races in SW who can go from -10 to +10 without blinking an eye. Are there species in ST who could fly a ship like that?
[/QUOTE]
Inertial Dampeners? There are inertial dampeners in ST. Or else how can they fly the Enterprise at full impulse or Warp 9.975?
The Borg arent bothered by G-forces anyway.

Look as I said before i just love SCI-FI. Startrek, Space above an beyond, Firefly, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica. love um all
I don't want to pull ST down; but St has one big problem.

There are tomany sides in ST all working against each other, backstabbing treason. allthough you can get these species to cooperate it would last long.
In SW there are 3 sides.
1. For the Empire
2. Against the Empire
3. Neutral


that is just 3 sides to join, i admit it would be easy too but in ST it would be damn impossible.

ferengi would sell federation out to make a buck.
Borg will assimilate anyone ST and SW. Some ally.
I'm just wandereing about Q; they think that they are so superiour do you think they will help at the begining. or (more probably) wait en have fun looking at the fights going on and the lives wasted before the intervine (when it's to late for ST)

As i presume both sides wouldn't take long to find a way to abtain eachtothers technologies at the end i will all depend on who has the best stategies. Both sides would take a beating but...................................
SW will prevale ; He we still have that black dude you know Vader lol

We are assuming that ST will work together and your Empire will work together.
The Klingons, Romulans, and the Federation will gladly work together.
The Dominion needs no allies. They rule by themselves.
The Borg can destroy the entire empire with less than 10 cubes. hundreds of thousands of cubes is overkill.
We still assume they will work together.
Vader cant do shit if beamed into space...
Rule of aquisition # 34. War is good for business.
They will prolong this war... the Ferengi will.

In fact i would like to see a ballte wetween some klingons and darth Maul.
Some nice action however the outcome lol[/QUOTE]

[Challenger78]

All the Klingons need to do is call in the borg, also , their disruptors would shoot the lightsaber, Goodbye lightsaber and the hand that held it.
Or they could go hand to hand, in which case the klingons would win, they have redundant organs.

[Saquist]

You are basing you comment on what? besides the inventor and ONLY person who could make it work is dead and gone. Only two were built, both used and no more to come.

Ever notice how NutJob here has standard macros? When he comes up against a defeating argument he just says the same thing he said last time, almost as though If he says it enough times...it'll stick...(talk about spam)

Genesis was a Federation Project. Plans for the Device existed. There were more than one scientist on the Project. The surviving Scientist was Dr. Carol Marcus. The Device can be rebuilt.

Soran's Device: Problematic as noone can duplicate his technology and he is dead.

Uncanon: This is typical NutScott. Theorize the worse for Trek and the best theories for Star Wars. George Lucas really knows how to handle your foreskin, Scotty.

Q: by their own rules they would not interfere as it is basically mortals versus mortals. Hell it is even Human versus Human. If Q did not help against the Dominion they will not help.

Uncanon: The Q have no Prime Directive, they did allow Enterprise to be interfered with on multiple occasions and the Borg incident is the best example. Again you're painfully wrong.

Warp Speed Projectile: Useless, even if you did put a warp engine on an asteroid the fact that the Warp drive mysteriously eliminated Mass means that the energy result would be 0. Mass x Speed squared. Also warp drive is inertialess.

This makes no sense and makes a abunch of assumptions about a collision we've never seen in Trek.

hahahaha. Your understanding of hyperspace is pathetically niave.

No actually he's right.
Hyperspace routes have to calculated. I'm not saying it would take years to find the right path...but with out a star map in a completely unknown galaxy yes...flying immediately too your destination would be a problem.
However in Trek such a map of the Milky way should be really easy to come by

Oh and they do have replicator technology, they just use it for building and such.

Unproven. Never have I read such technology has ever existed. (energy to matter conversion)

Actually I researched before I ever joined this convo and have backed my claims with numbers and canon

.

Is that why you had to lie six times?
More like specluation and favortism.
You've not be able to show any reasonable evidence aside from you your own ponderless speculation. And that is the only consistency you've had on this thread.

Lies and ignorance.

[Challenger78]

I reluctantly have to agree, the responses were pretty generic on terms of weapons and population as well.
Its surprising how no mention of the other universes has occurred.
the only other universe i've seen is Stargate and they might stand a chance with asgard beaming technology , symbiotes and wraiths which are like sith. But against ST with the borg... No Dice, even with the dominion.

[Sumoben]

I reluctantly have to agree, the responses were pretty generic on terms of weapons and population as well.
Its surprising how no mention of the other universes has occurred.
the only other universe i've seen is Stargate and they might stand a chance with asgard beaming technology , symbiotes and wraiths which are like sith. But against ST with the borg... No Dice, even with the dominion.

Not totally true, Theres the Aurai vs the Q, Stargate has the Replicators vs Borg.. Though the rest of ST would demolish what is left.. The shields on the Odyssey or Prometheus are crap without the Zero Point Module, they would get demolished by 2 or 3 photon torpedoes. Though, ST might have to find a way to block Bullets, as their shields are mostly made to block energy discharges and small debris that is drifting in space, not bullets that travel fast and can pierce through navigational deflectors, also, I have not seen any Asgard weapon technology but it must be fairly decent, possibly on par with Star Trek..

[Kittamaru]

For EMP Gungan's have shields to resist that. How long do you think it will take before all SW ships have the tech opparating

Cloaked Bird of Pray vs Phantom-TIEfighter.

For home defence : Unless you have some kind of shield round the planet like in buck Rogers, Groundtroops will break trough. Some AT-AT flanked by some TIE-crawlers protected bij gungans And mass droidika's on ground and Lambda assaultboats in air.
We even throw in some Insects like in episode 3 (Sorry racename slip my mind at the moment).
Once de powerplants fail. bye bye defense. So its up to handcombat.
I admit with Klingons it will be a fears battle.

In Space Almost every series forgets on thing. they all think space is flat.
In space the battle can occur in every direction. Infact the largest ship could move in one direction but turn round his axes.

If that where the case it would take an very special pilot to fly that ship.
Humans cant, g-force and stuff.
I know a few races in SW who can go from -10 to +10 without blinking an eye. Are there species in ST who could fly a ship like that?

Look as I said before i just love SCI-FI. Startrek, Space above an beyond, Firefly, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica. love um all
I don't want to pull ST down; but St has one big problem.

There are tomany sides in ST all working against each other, backstabbing treason. allthough you can get these species to cooperate it would last long.
In SW there are 3 sides.
1. For the Empire
2. Against the Empire
3. Neutral

that is just 3 sides to join, i admit it would be easy too but in ST it would be damn impossible.

ferengi would sell federation out to make a buck.
Borg will assimilate anyone ST and SW. Some ally.
I'm just wandereing about Q; they think that they are so superiour do you think they will help at the begining. or (more probably) wait en have fun looking at the fights going on and the lives wasted before the intervine (when it's to late for ST)

As i presume both sides wouldn't take long to find a way to abtain eachtothers technologies at the end i will all depend on who has the best stategies. Both sides would take a beating but...................................
SW will prevale ; He we still have that black dude you know Vader lol

In fact i would like to see a ballte wetween some klingons and darth Maul.
Some nice action however the outcome lol

Star Wars shields have no harmonics frequency, which is why Ion cannons knock out their shields. A big EMP would do the same.

AT-ATs would get toasted by atmospheric ships like the Intrepid or Norway classes- I doubt they could withstand a full-burst phaser strike to the neck joint.

Star Trek has inertial dampners- G-Forces = no problem.

Star Trek has already proven able to work together and, for the sake of this argument we are assuming all races working together on allied terms.

[Kittamaru]

Not totally true, Theres the Aurai vs the Q, Stargate has the Replicators vs Borg.. Though the rest of ST would demolish what is left.. The shields on the Odyssey or Prometheus are crap without the Zero Point Module, they would get demolished by 2 or 3 photon torpedoes. Though, ST might have to find a way to block Bullets, as their shields are mostly made to block energy discharges and small debris that is drifting in space, not bullets that travel fast and can pierce through navigational deflectors, also, I have not seen any Asgard weapon technology but it must be fairly decent, possibly on par with Star Trek..

Screw ZPM's- throw a Warp Core onto the Odyssey or Prometheus and up the shield output by 5005. Scrap the stupid railguns in favor of hyper-space cannons.