View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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  • Star Trek

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Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #3821
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Vasago View Post
    Yeah right, a massive EMP. takeing out your friend along with the droids. By the way. How do you expect to solve the shockwave that an massive Emp would create. and the recochets from nearbij asteroids and planets.

    Meanwhile Als the homeplanets are being obliverated.

    Don't understand me wrong. I'm a huge trek fan also. I love voyager DeepSpace 9, I saw every episode with kaptain kirk. but when it gets to cheer combatabilitys. Sw just rules.
    Nope, EMP doesn't harm Trek ships. They are protected by the shield harmonics And EMP's wouldn't harm most rocky planetoids, so what ricochets from asteroids and planets? You ever watch the Matrix? EMP = Electro Magnetic Pulse. No physical damage unless you have electricity coursing through you.

  2. #3822
    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Nope, EMP doesn't harm Trek ships. They are protected by the shield harmonics And EMP's wouldn't harm most rocky planetoids, so what ricochets from asteroids and planets? You ever watch the Matrix? EMP = Electro Magnetic Pulse. No physical damage unless you have electricity coursing through you.
    I'm not so down in techonological stuff of series i just like it or don't so I believe your word on it that Trek ships would survive an emp blast thanks to there shields. But wouldn't that allso be with SW? I don't know ?

    When you sent a wave throughout space it recoils on impact but as the ships can take it, no futher reply's on that one.

    But still you have wasted all those droids all that debry flying around. you be plenty occupied removing evrything on your path that the second wave of droids attacks. an other emp more debry en so on .....

    Your Emp blast have to be like a bubble because the droids wouldn't just come in a row.

    When are you coming home to defend your people on your planet. and still we haven't lost a single life. and a lot of droids in the making.

  3. #3823
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    Star Wars shields were never stated to have Shield Harmonics- they were either up or down. They never really went out of phase or any other weird effects.

    As for debris- Trek ships have Navigational Deflectors that take care of this. Granted a Droid is a lil bigger than your average space dust, but compared to a starship's deflector array (which is about three times the diameter of the bridge for the Enterprise-E anyway) it shouldn't be a big problem.

    EMP Blasts are inherently spherecal.

    EMP doesn't recoil- it's all magnetic. Watch the Matrix for a good example of how it works.

    As for defending our people, no real problem. Transwarp Rifts that allow near-instantaneous travel, slipstream drives, temporal warps, and other such fun things will help with that. Planetary defenses will hold plenty well untill the fleet arrives- remember, Earth is defended by Federation HQ, the biggest, most baddass Starport in the Federation. Triple the power of DS9 and that's probably what FedHQ is like.

    As for droids- Data could probably hack their systems and turn them to our side anyway *shrug*

    Worst case? Release EMP's every few minutes from various ships to keep the droids out of comission. Use Ionic blasts from the Deflector Array to down Wars ships electronics and then simply blast them with Photon and Quantum and TriCobalt torpedos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Challenger78 View Post
    Yeah, the force,the ability to tap into the very life of beings, what good is the force against borg nanoprobes, Telepaths? , sorry we've already got Betazoids and Vulcans. Telekinesis,we've got Q for that as well as very advanced Betazoids and Magnians who are the most advanced telepathic race possible.
    Convincing someone to change their life, Mind Melds,
    And we've been discussing weapons and technology for the past 100 pages and on every occasion ST has won.
    Not to mention the Ocampa, they have powers similar to the Force, possibly even more powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Memory-Alpha.org
    All Ocampa appear to be natural telepaths, able to communicate with members of their species and those of other species, as well. Among the more unusual mental abilities exhibited by the Ocampa were eidetic memory, precognition, telekinesis of varying strength, and the ability to sense and manipulate the subatomic level of matter. Tanis, an Ocampa living on Suspiria's array, demonstrated to Kes that she could control the life-force in living things, causing them to grow or die as she wished. Tanis also told Kes that the Ocampa could join Suspiria in a subspace layer called Exosia, what he described as a realm of pure thought.

    In early 2374, Kes experienced a rapid and uncontrollable blossoming of her mental abilities. Her body and everything around her, including the USS Voyager, began to destabilize at the subatomic level. Kes left the ship and allowed this process to complete itself, apparently evolving into a being of pure energy. She could then move objects through space without need of conventional propulsion, and later exhibited the ability to travel through time.
    From these Voyager episodes
    Quote Originally Posted by Memory-Alpha.org
    * "Caretaker"
    * "Projections"
    * "Elogium"
    * "Cold Fire"
    * "Before and After"
    * "The Gift"
    * "Fury"
    Also, the dark side really wouldn't be much of a problem, the Vulcans, yes the Vulcans can pull out the Stone of Gol
    Quote Originally Posted by Memory-Alpha.org
    The Stone of Gol was an ancient weapon conceived on Vulcan during the turbulent times before the Time of Awakening. It functioned as a psionic resonator which amplified telepathic energy, specifically any violent thoughts and emotions many fold and then turned them back upon the person experiencing them. However, if the target was able to empty their mind of violent thoughts, the resonator had nothing to amplify and so was unable to operate. Since the teachings of Surak were aimed at precisely this kind of emotional control, the psionic resonator subsequently became useless against his followers during the Time of awakening.
    And... since its Universe vs Universe, lets bring the Breen's Energy Dissipator..
    Quote Originally Posted by Memory-Alpha.org
    The energy dissipator (also referred to as the energy dampening weapon) was an advanced energy weapon used by Breen forces in the mid-2370s during the Dominion War.

    The weapon was first encountered by Federation forces when the Breen entered the Dominion War as allies of the Dominion in 2375, at the Second Battle of Chin'toka. Since allied ships had never encountered the weapon before, it was especially effective against them. The weapon works by draining the energy of targeted ships, disabling their engines, weapons, and shields, thus making them easy targets for conventional weapons. Amongst the vessels lost to the weapon was the USS Defiant. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil")
    Last edited by Sumoben; 05-08-07 at 03:50 PM.

  5. #3825
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    Well, but SW has lotsof unknown intelligent species and hidden technologies. For example, they have hyperdrive which allows to go faster than light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temur View Post
    Well, but SW has lotsof unknown intelligent species and hidden technologies. For example, they have hyperdrive which allows to go faster than light.
    Warp Drives goes faster than light..

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    Well, but how about Jedi and Sith who are very skilled fighters either in sword or with spaceship battles. Neither automat not any pilots in ST can fly like them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by temur View Post
    Well, but how about Jedi and Sith who are very skilled fighters either in sword or with spaceship battles. Neither automat not any pilots in ST can fly like them!
    Notice how most of the time, Star Trek does not use fighter craft (other than in the Dominion War), and how the Klingons are relentless in melee combat, not to mention since when has Star Wars shown any transporter technology? In order to board a Star Trek vessel, you would have to go into the shuttle bay, where the bridge would detect you and vent atmosphere.

    Edit: If not, they would use the transporters and put you into the brig, leaving your weapons in the pattern buffer, or repel your ship with the tractor beam emitter.

    Edit 2: Also notice how Phasers rarely miss their target, no matter how skilled the pilot may be, They might be able to dodge a torpedo, but a phaser and its targeting system can track a fighter easily.

    Edit 3: If the Jedi also try and fight on the ground, ST wouldn't bother going down there, they could just bombard them with torpedo fire or Phaser / Disrupter fire, Also Intrepid class ships are able to enter the atmosphere and fire phasers accurately at targets on the ground, as well as the fact that they can use Stun on ship phasers, as shown in TNG if I remember correctly. Then they can capture the Jedi's and keep them in the brig, With a level 10 force field. With a hologram as a guard with the safety off and a holographic phaser.
    Last edited by Sumoben; 05-08-07 at 04:21 PM.

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    Of course Sith and Jedi can dodge phaser, maser, laser or anything you shoot at them because they sense it through the force, not just eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temur View Post
    Of course Sith and Jedi can dodge phaser, maser, laser or anything you shoot at them because they sense it through the force, not just eyes.
    Coming from a starship, the beam is inherently larger than a hand held phaser. I don't see how they can run away from it if it his a larger area at a faster speed than they can run. Not to mention torpedoes which would detonate in an even larger area, Its not like they can deflect a phaser or a faster than light speed torpedo with the force.

  11. #3831
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    Don't forget- even hand phasers would be impossibly to dodge. When it is found a beam cannot hit them, they'll set it to emit a few beams in an angular pattern or, if they get really pissed off, set it to level 16 wide beam and OBLITERATE anything within a 60 degree radius in front of the one firing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Don't forget- even hand phasers would be impossibly to dodge. When it is found a beam cannot hit them, they'll set it to emit a few beams in an angular pattern or, if they get really pissed off, set it to level 16 wide beam and OBLITERATE anything within a 60 degree radius in front of the one firing
    So true, Though that would most likely deplete the phaser, even with the power supply being able to recharge itself...

  13. #3833
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    According to something Geordi once said:

    At maximum output you will only get 4 two second shots

    I would assume that means the MAX settings, lvl 16 and wide beam. He went on to mention that it's not the power source, but the focusing crystal. At that kind of thruput the crystal degrades from the intense heat. That's why they came up with weapons like the I-Mod and Phaser Rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumoben View Post
    Notice how most of the time, Star Trek does not use fighter craft (other than in the Dominion War), and how the Klingons are relentless in melee combat, not to mention since when has Star Wars shown any transporter technology? In order to board a Star Trek vessel, you would have to go into the shuttle bay, where the bridge would detect you and vent atmosphere.
    Actually there are other ways of boarding. The are called Assault shuttles. They fly up to the hull and literally drill and entrance. Not to mention that SW has powersuited storm troopers. Something ST doesn't even have a clue of. Yeah go ahead vent the air, a Space Trooper won't even notice. Go ahead put a force field in the way he'll cut through the bulkhead.....

    Oh and SW has the answer to Klingons they are called Wookies, Noghri, Rodians, and Gamoreans. Wookies and Gamoreans are both immensely strong and extremely tough. Noghri are super martial artists and Rodians are just hunters by nature. There are also other race quite capable of turning the above average Klingon into goo.



    Edit: If not, they would use the transporters and put you into the brig, leaving your weapons in the pattern buffer, or repel your ship with the tractor beam emitter.
    If this was possible it would have been done in Nemesis. Neither ship proved capable and they did have the best crews around. Furthermore how is the target ship going to be capable of such a feat when she has been literally shot apart or shorted out?

    Edit 2: Also notice how Phasers rarely miss their target, no matter how skilled the pilot may be, They might be able to dodge a torpedo, but a phaser and its targeting system can track a fighter easily.
    Phasers often miss, both with hand and ship models. But it doesn't matter anyway as Ship phasers could not pierce the shield of the Typical fighter, TIE are an exception as they have no Ray shields.


    Edit 3: If the Jedi also try and fight on the ground, ST wouldn't bother going down there, they could just bombard them with torpedo fire or Phaser / Disrupter fire, Also Intrepid class ships are able to enter the atmosphere and fire phasers accurately at targets on the ground, as well as the fact that they can use Stun on ship phasers, as shown in TNG if I remember correctly. Then they can capture the Jedi's and keep them in the brig, With a level 10 force field. With a hologram as a guard with the safety off and a holographic phaser.
    Again false information. The Dominion war showed they are not capable of such operations in any extended fashion. They do have ground troops, pitiful excuses for ground troops but they did have to use them. Besides by the time it comes for ground combat the ST navy will be anhilated anyway


    The point is that in a war situation ST does not stand a chance of winning. It just doesn't. It would be like taking a 11th century knight on horse back versus a modern day M1A1 with a vetran crew. Yes the knight is the best of the best of his day, but he would technologically, tactically and strategically out matched.

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    Keep spewing your shit scott, nobody is listening.

    Phasers wouldn't pierce star wars shields- you are damn right. You don't "pierce" shields, you take them down. And a phaser would do that quite nicely, given your nuclear powerplants maximum (and very limited) output.

    Prove me wrong- give me schematics, give me quotes from the movies. Do not SYNTHETICLY PRODUCE your data!

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    As for why they didn't beam the Scimitars crew out- that's because they had their shields up you dummy. Star trek shields, unlike your pathetic excuse for a shield grid, are not normally able to be teleported through. it takes time and expertise to do it, and time was seriously lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumoben View Post
    Not to mention the Ocampa, they have powers similar to the Force, possibly even more powerful
    Only one Ocampa displayed levels of power anywhere even near Jedi levels and and she is now dead.


    Also, the dark side really wouldn't be much of a problem, the Vulcans, yes the Vulcans can pull out the Stone of Gol
    The Vulcans broke up the Stone of Gol and hid the componenets again. The Stone would be no help against a Jedi and honestly Darksiders would probably simply over power it. Besides the Vulcans by choice are Logical, they would look at the invaders conclude that Federation victory is statistically as likely as proving that Jello can be sentient and simply negotiate a surrender with favorable terms.

    And... since its Universe vs Universe, lets bring the Breen's Energy Dissipator..
    Okay noted ST has Fighter level Ion Cannons, not gonna be much help against Capital ships. Besides the weapons worked by using the ships shield harmonics against it, so it is whole unlikely to work against SW vessels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Thick hulls... like the six inch thick windows of the Star Destroyer that got rammed?

    BOOSH!
    Ever notice that the six inch thick transparasteel window sits in the middle of a one meter thick hull? Hell you can see the thickness of the Hull in several episodes of ST and it is only 8 inches on the Enterprise-D! So the windows on the normally well shielded and well protected Executor are 3/4 as thick as the Hull of Federation ships, seems to me that you are not so good yourself my friend.


    Oh and thwerwe is a reason for only 6 inch thick transparasteel widows, beyound that you would get distortions. Not good when you are using your eyeballs to suplement scanners. Then again ST can't even do that, if Scanners are tricked they would not know untill too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    You idiot... the Enterprise also had the facilities to MANUFACTURE AntiMatter... Voyager did not. Read your facts bitch.
    Read up on my facts, the Galaxy class starship only had an estimated range of 18 months before needing to refuel. The DID NOT have the capablity to manufacture Anti-Matter, though they did have Bussard scoops to collect and replenish the Matter stockpile.

    And no, failure of containment is no big deal- they dump it into space. Redundancy for the win... something Star Wars could look into... that bridge armor was pretty pathetic...
    Are you kidding? A nanosecond is all it would take to for a molecule of air to hit the Antimater starting a chain reaction of explosions. Trying to dump it would take far longer, and remember there is dust in space. Truth of the matter is one moments breach of whatever mystical field you have keeping the Antimatter away form mater and the whole supply goes up before the computer could flip the dang switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Actually, Mrs Gene has dubbed many book series as cannon mate. As she is the wife of the creator I believe she would carry a lot of weight. Then again, that's speculation, as was YOUR bullshit comments. Stop trying to make cannon what you want.
    Bullshit, first of all. Majel has a much more class than you ascribe. Some elements of the books have been used in a few shows, but ONLY the Shows and Movies are canon for Star Trek. There is no question of it. That is Law handed down to Paramount by Gene and the like Paramount holds as copyright holder.

    BTW my comment regarding Dune is the only speculation at all. But it does fit with every real fan of Dune feels and states. So kiss my pekanese Elmo, but careful he bites sometimes.

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