Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Jan Gaarni]

I agreed with alot there. I can't substaniate the numbers though. I 've seen some of those in the tech manuals but most sites are little high on the numbers or are just ficition for the numbers. I like'em but I don't use them often.

But out of everything you said this has the shining glare of truth. Lucas wasn't concerned with it. I believe he new these issuses for sometime and chose to ignore them...It's not about the ships but the characters.

REcently both fictions have lost site of this.

And there I must resoundedly agree with you on.
In particulary when concerning Star Wars.

In my opinion, Star Wars on the big screen had it's shiniest moments with the three first movies. And the best of those again is ESB.
The new ones became more a Stuart moment of "Look what I can do!".

[Saquist]

TOTALLY AGREEMENT THERE.

ESB was a great film. I"ve analyzed it often. The plots of the Star Wars films have always been pretty weak with the exception of the RotS...

but that didn't mean the execution came off perfectly. This movie lack something that made Star Wars Star Wars

But ESB had very little plot to it. It was a middle movie and Like The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers....It was about survival. Han Leia and Luke discovering themselves and there roles. It was aimless. It was fear and overwheming agression. Hunted and sacrificed at the end...

It was a movie that was far and ahead over the rest...theatrical and musical..this movie is a classic in every way...not for it's plot but for the drama. THE MOST PERFECT "TO BE CONTINUED" on record to date.

[Xevious]

We're The Spaceballs!!!!

Watch Out!!!!!

[TW Scott]

-Uncannon. Therefore inadmissable as comparrison. You don't have the size of the asteroids nor the composition. Thus (definitely or even maybe is fictional)

So again you're being bias.



--This is wrong. It's not coherent light. Then again we have no Idea what it is since coherent light would be a laser and you guys say that's exactly what its not. And the Main batteries maybe high powered but certainly noting else. So again more bias.

---I'll assume the rest of your post is more of the same: Incabable of objectivity.




AAHHH!!! Now here's the crux of your dilema! You know everything! I should have figured this out earlier. Everything you say IS cannon and every anyone says, ie George Lucas is uncanon.

--Lets jump in shall we?



--This is the only agreement I think we'll ever enjoy so suck it up. These aren't lasers YET! The man, The MAN at the top says they are.



Is that supposed to be a disclaimer for George Lucas' lack of simple knowledge. I don't think you can speak for him. Not for what you're thinking. You just called what ever the Turbo laser is, "COHERENT LIGHT" Which is the very definition of the word Laser..."LIGHT AMPLIFICATION". You don't know what a laser is either.


That may be but misnomer or not the term has analytical value. Confirmation that Lucas didn't know problably care what a laser actual was.



--You mean like what you've done? I sense your fuse has already burned itself out. You've decided the creator of your sci fi fantasy doesn't know what he's talking about...AND admitted that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

You have taken it upon yourself to draw up calcuations and variables privy to your whim to concock numbers that obviously favor your Most Favorite movie of all time. You have taken the responsibilty of speaking for George Lucas to the point of dictation of what is cannon. You apparently "love" the word cannon like an affair. You're faithfull to the letter of it one moment and the next you're saying it's wrong. Faithfull...then wrong...ALL according to you whims and delights.

Lets leave aside your thinking on Trek which is obviously insufficient to speak in behalf of. You couldn't name a Trek advantage over WARS if you arms were being threaten by a WOOKIE. Your judgements are obviously bias. You tell me
I can't decide what is cannon?

"Leia didn't know what she was talking about?"
"They're not lasers"?

What JANGO FETT's ship magicly lost several Megatons on some freak shortage? : Leia's arm wasn't blown off by a blaster: Hoth saw no such detonations.

Is the cannon wrong? AGAIN?

Did the Empire Forget They had an SSD in orbit of ENDOR?(EASY REBEL KILLER) Does this MEGATON POWER not travel well to planetary surfaces OR WHAT? Are the SPEEDERS' weapons dialed down so as not blow away the AT AT walkers too quickly: WAS Leia FIRING on BOBA's ship just for kicks? DID ANAKIN's fighter also LOSE TORPEDO FIRE POWER in it's POWER LOSS TO on the TRADE FEDERATION SHIP? DID the TRADE FEDERATION think that MEGATON weapons was too RISKY to USE against the GUNGAN's (AGAIN on a planetary surface?) Did the Trade Federation Tank JUST HAPPEN to fire on the NABOO figher before it's shields were up? WHERE was the MEGA TON blast all during the battle of GEONOSIS? DID both sides become afraid that their weapons would simplly be to powerful? The Vong bio tech as well? The whole New Jedi Order decides all that Fire power to save the Galaxy would make it TOO EASY.


I can't decided what's cannon? But you already have...By ignoring all this and more for one scattered asteroid.
I tell you what...as long as you can I can too.

Ladies and Gentleman the sheer amount of evidence against the theory is astounding and found at every part of the 2 Trilogies in EVERY SINGLE movie.

I love it when people rant like that. It means they have no argument but are trying to stay in the fight. In answer to many of you uncanon comments. In Mr. Lucas' paraphrased words "The movies are the highest canon, whatever does not directly conflict with them is canon."

Did the Empire Forget They had an SSD in orbit of ENDOR?(EASY REBEL KILLER)?

Oh yes and blow up the base protecting your Death Star, very smart. Obviously you are the kind of asshole who would light a torch in a ships powder magazine.

Does this MEGATON POWER not travel well to planetary surfaces OR WHAT?
Well it does travel well, but it is indescriminate not to mention you would be shooting inside of your own shielding which was supposed impenetrable.

Are the SPEEDERS' weapons dialed down so as not blow away the AT AT walkers too quickly?

AirSpeeder are not fighters. They are patrol craft designed to take on other patrol craft and their Blasters were obviously not heavy enough to Penetrate the Armor of the AT-AT which were supposedly some of the toughest armored vehicles ever.

WAS Leia FIRING on BOBA's ship just for kicks?

Well she was distraught, distraught people do stupid things.

DID ANAKIN's fighter also LOSE TORPEDO FIRE POWER in it's POWER LOSS TO on the TRADE FEDERATION SHIP?

No, I would think the destruction of a heavily shielded and armored reactor core would prove that point.

DID the TRADE FEDERATION think that MEGATON weapons was too RISKY to USE against the GUNGAN's (AGAIN on a planetary surface?)?

I would think that destroying several Trillion dollars worth of equipment beyond salvage would be considered a bad thing in business. After all they were still winning. Not only that but one can only assume an orbital bombardment would cuase moral outrage and loss of revenue.

Did the Trade Federation Tank JUST HAPPEN to fire on the NABOO figher before it's shields were up?

That was a turret air defense weapon, not a tank. It mounted Light Turbolasers, you remeber those right?

WHERE was the MEGA TON blast all during the battle of GEONOSIS?

What, did you miss the conccusion missiles being used against Trade Federation transports? Or those Turbolaser artillery pieces that toore the one Trade Federation freighter? Of course some one like you would fail to realize that Megaton weaponry is best used in space or bombardment, infantry is the arm of mercy.

DID both sides become afraid that their weapons would simplly be to powerful?

Why annhilate yourself?

[TW Scott]

I accept your challenge

The evidence of Artoo D 2 says there is no MegaTON fire power.

A blaster hit wounded Leia
A blaster hit damaged Artoo D2
A Fighter hit Damaged Artoo D2.

That is canon....No MEGATON...the same story repeated over and over again.

And Failed
In ANH the Tie fighter's light laser cannons managed to get through Lukes doubled up shielding and a glancing blow heavily damaged an Astromech (R2 D2) a droid compromised of the same material as fighter hulls. In ROJ a precise shot from a blaster carbine only shorted out Artoo. Meanwhile a grazing blow that hit more the wall than it did her managed to penetrate Liea's ablative cloth armor and give her a flesh wound. No discrepiency at all.

[TW Scott]

There was a series of the original Star Trek, I think it was "A Balance of Power". In that series the Romulans were distroying outpost along the nutral zone and when the Enterprise went to investigate, the Romulans fired on them. At this point the Romulans had already distroyed 2 or 3 outposts. Anyway, the Enterprise went after them and they fired on the Enterprise and the ship went to full astern. The weapon had unlimited range and it was a plasma beam. What type of plasma weapon was that?

That was an R type plasma torpedo. They have a maximum range of 320,000 kilometers and travel at Warp 3, the Enterprise though it was running away pretty fast (full impulse) got nailed well within short range of the weapon

[TW Scott]

Ok I started reading back at around 135 or so and have a couple things to say. First off I am both a star trek and a star wars fan. At the moment I am more into star wars then I have ever been in star trek. Second although I am sure the empire or star wars galaxy would win in a fight I think a Galaxy class star ship would beat a star destroyer.

And you'd be wrong on that second part. Even 60 Galaxy class cruisers would lose to one ISD.

In the new enterprise series they mention that the phaser they install has an destructive force of 500 megajoules. Or I would imagine 500 megawatts per second. They route the power differently to run at 5000 megajoules for a couple shots.

500 megajoules is 500,000,000 watts or 1/800th the power level of the Enterprise D's shields.

The enterprise E is supposed to have 12 type XII phasers with a total output of 85000 terawatts and 5 photon torpedo tubes with 500 photon torpedos and 1 quantom torpedo tupe with 600 wuantum torpedoes. Not to mention the deflector dish. The shield is has a total capacity of 4,950,000 terawatts. I am not sure how close to actual star trek this is since I don't have the manual here and can only go off different websites. Our greatest power usage has been the tsar bomba which was a 50 megaton nuke that produces about 5 Yottawatt (10E24 watt) so as you can see one of our nukes could take down the enterprises shields with stuff to spare, but as seen in one of the episodes a nuke just bounced off the shield.

Again, been reading the wrong tech manuals. You should stick to shows, or the Paramount site. Or write them.

When voyager hit the bog cube with the interphasic torpedoes whether they hit the surfuce or blew up inside they destroyed the one side of the cube with is about 9 square km. That is a fair amount of destructive force no matter what the ship was made of. The enterprise E also destroys a borg cube completely in first contact with 3 quantum torpedoes. Granted the ship probly blew up due to catasrophic failure but still it was a big explosion (I would imagine close to the siye of 5 sd or 1 small super star destoryer, or there abouts).

Yes, but we have see Borg cubes they are open and flimsy. Not armored structures already designed to withstand incredible assaults. Plus we have not seen a Transphasic Torpedo work on anything else. Likely they are only effective against Borg. Probably designed to interfere with the collective . Again we can only provide conjecture.

The speed factor is a big one as well. In star wars the fighters can see other ships and at full attack speed an x wing can manuver several times across the distance of a star destroyer. Moving at even have the speed of light or half impulse you would be past the star destroyer and around the other side of the planet in the amount of time it would take the star destroyers 'Manned' guns to even see where then enemy would be. And the manuverability of the enterprise I believe is awy moer then the star destroyers. But this one is more of a feeling more then anything since I haven't really measured them to compare, yet anyway.

Yes, but what can a gnat do against the Armored giant and in these battles Fed ships will be defending would you as a catpain rather they were firing at you or the surface?

The shields on the second death star were planetary shields which can stop ships as in when corusant raised its shields against thrawns cloaked asteroids. I don't think regular shield can stop a ship from flying into them but I think that they would absorb a lot of the impact and would be a coating shield like was mentioned before. Where the Star trek shields are bubbled and stop matter from penetrating. One of the things in star trek is computer aimed shots. The hit specific targets such as shield generators or weapons or drive sections. Focusing a beam onto a specific part and overwelming the shields in that area. In star wars the aiming is by hand for the most part and is fairly inaccurate. Even though the Enterprise would be the same size as a star destoryer its head on stance would leave little areas to hit due to shape.

Actually given the givens the Enterprise E could put all it's destructive power in one square centimeter and an ISD would go "Oh, come on, would you quit playing with the spot lights and flares?" before it fired one shot clean through the fed ship.

But galaxy against galaxy the star trek one would win. There was that guy who could destroy who groups of people with just a thought. Not to mention all the other stuff. Like the Q and all. Not to mention telepaths and other mind users naturally without the force there could be a good fight.

For every group like that in Star Trek there is one in Star Wars. Including a group of monks who can if they really felt like it remove beings from existance. over all the win goes to Star Wars. even Roddenberry would agree, I know he did when I met him at GenCon way way back.

[vcostor]

Tw_Scott. I used to think that your posts were well thought out and your ideas had something to them. I don't really think you read much of my post just commented on it.
You told me to read different tech manuals. I mentioned that I didn't have a tech manual and was finding stuff online.

You said that 60 galaxy cruisers would loose to 1 Isd. This is the fact that we are arguing. So you can't use it in an argument.

when you talked about the borg ship not having armour and such, you lost my point. It was the kilometre destruction of each torpedo that I was thinking about. As in a star destroyer would have been engulfed in the explosion. Not saying the sd would be destroyed but anything that could cause that much of a bang is pretty big.

the last couple arguments you are arguing the idea again rather then a viable statement so I really can't say much to them, but in the last one about the monks. What monks are you talking about. Not the ones in Jabbas palace I hope.

[vcostor]

Just another thought. This is from the books more than anything. When Yavin 4 was attacked and all the jedi were running around in the forest in dark saber the sd were fireing from orbit. Now I know that during that time the enterprise could have cut a whole in the planet obliterating much for km's in all directions. Yet the star destroyers, who were not out for prisoners but wanted to destroy the jedi, barely scratched the surface. Not to mention how many sd it took to rain a little havoc on the clone world could of again been accomplished by 1 or 2 galaxy class star ships in the same amount of time.

With a 200 mega ton cannon hitting the ground that many times you would figure the ground would be damaged beyond repair.

I just think with the lack of solid info and all the changes in stats.

(ie

\quote '500 megajoules is 500,000,000 watts or 1/800th the power level of the Enterprise D's shields. ' \endquote keeping in mind that the enterprise d is only capable of of producing 1 terawatt according to the show. And the fact that if the sd were so powerful they would have cleared a hole in the asteroids in the ESB rather then getting hit by them.)

this argument can never be won until solid facts are put down.

[Saquist]

AHhhh...Never a shortage of non canon Theories....

The real reason why this was an easy challenge Scott is because I relied on cannon to tell the answers.

You've been checked and in what really amounts to about 6 moves. The path you took was predictable and despite your own ranting (I love a good rant) you were unable to provide an explanation for any of these reasons

By Saquist

Did the Empire Forget They had an SSD in orbit of ENDOR?(EASY REBEL KILLER) Does this MEGATON POWER not travel well to planetary surfaces OR WHAT? Are the SPEEDERS' weapons dialed down so as not blow away the AT AT walkers too quickly: WAS Leia FIRING on BOBA's ship just for kicks? DID ANAKIN's fighter also LOSE TORPEDO FIRE POWER in it's POWER LOSS TO on the TRADE FEDERATION SHIP? DID the TRADE FEDERATION think that MEGATON weapons was too RISKY to USE against the GUNGAN's (AGAIN on a planetary surface?) Did the Trade Federation Tank JUST HAPPEN to fire on the NABOO figher before it's shields were up? WHERE was the MEGA TON blast all during the battle of GEONOSIS? DID both sides become afraid that their weapons would simplly be to powerful? The Vong bio tech as well? The whole New Jedi Order decides all that Fire power to save the Galaxy would make it TOO EASY.

You've been Trumped by canon proof.
I never expected you to fold. You will never fold no matter how much evidence or how simple the equation. But one can manuver you into fouling up and you just did. This was like a Queens Gambit...A play Action Fake.

You didn't even stick to your "calcuations". You went straignt to the noncannon.

You tried to reason...but that according to you quote: By Scott

You have NO RIGHTS to decide what is canon or not.

None of the problems I asked did you even bring a shred of canon material. Now heres the sad part.

You never saw it coming. With all this talk of cannon. You worship the canon. It can do no wrong and you fail to use it to defend your position with the cannon.

I mean who cares what you think is the reason why any of that stuff happened the way it did. What does the cannon say? That's what you've been saying this whole time. Over and Over again. Any one can pull a theory from their crack
Sorry, though Canon beats theory...hands down.

You didn't have it....

I'll prove it too you....

You out right lied in ignorance...The naboo fighter was taken down by a tank. Another direct correlation and Scott...another error.

[IMG][/IMG]

Just so you can't weasel out it SCOTT SAID

That was a turret air defense weapon, not a tank. It mounted Light Turbolasers, you remeber those right?

OH NO!!!!! I REMEMBER! IT LOOKS LIKE IT WUZZZZ A TANK! OH NO! AND IT WAS THE MAIN BARREL TOO!
Bring it on Scott, I'll be your Huckleberry...

Ladies and Gentleman: Scott's theory of common MegaTon Weaponry is dependant on focusing on isolated events. Once we expand the scope the Truth is revealed. When weapon exchanges takes place from across enagement tactics, namely fighers/capital ships to the one man level tanks/ hand guns, it demonstrates the scope of the fire power and tells us what can take out what. According to Scott. The next figher that leaves the THEED HANGER will have shields so strong the Tank weapons, inferior, to space combat will shrug off the blast. However it does not. The next fighter is struck squarely in the engine by the tank's main weapon and plumets to the valley floor.

ENTER DEFIANT
Checkmate:

[Saquist]

hey mars then where did the freighter come form that Harry Kim blew up with a photon torpedo, or the light scout ship that Hugh was on? Oh caught in your own lies are you? See that is what happens when you lie.

INDEED!!!!!

His failure to provide any math to support any of his claims, branded him a coward. His complete misrepresentation of canon has labeled him a vacous imbecile.it is my opinion that we continue having rational discussions and ignore this parasitic poster once again.

PRICELESS!!! I't's like Mc Donalds "I'm LOVING IT"!!!!

unless you are going to contribute asomething worthwhile and not so easily refutable please refrain from posting. It clutters up the posts people want to read.

DOCTOR!! DOCTOR!!!! DON"T SWALLOW YOUR OWN MEDICINE!!! OH NO!!

Well, we need somebody form Star Trek here with actual facts and numbers.

It's OKAY SCOTT, Your wish, MY COMMAND (Enter SAQUIST)

You know I am just looking for a resonable debate here. One made without exaggerating abilities we can verify with ease.

I'ma start calling you Scott Ruggs....cause you lie real good!!!

This vile retort comeing from a man who has provne he has no understanding of canon.

Congradulations TW SCOTT

YOU"VE JUST BEEN SAQ-ED

[Jan Gaarni]

Are the SPEEDERS' weapons dialed down so as not blow away the AT AT walkers too quickly?

AirSpeeder are not fighters. They are patrol craft designed to take on other patrol craft and their Blasters were obviously not heavy enough to Penetrate the Armor of the AT-AT which were supposedly some of the toughest armored vehicles ever.

I'd like to add here that the Incom T-47 isn't a military craft, it's a civilian speeder which was modified by the rebels to deal with the extreme cold which it was not designed for (the engines would lock-up because they got too cold, so they insulated the radiator fins at the back), aswell as adding some armor plating and 2 military-grade blaster cannons.

Exactly what the harpoon was ment to be used for in the civilian version I have no idea.

[Saquist]

More than likely (speculation) That was a Rebel addition to the vessel.
If it wasn't then Likely it was used litteral o tow other objects.

[TW Scott]

Tw_Scott. I used to think that your posts were well thought out and your ideas had something to them. I don't really think you read much of my post just commented on it.
You told me to read different tech manuals. I mentioned that I didn't have a tech manual and was finding stuff online.

And since you information came from a source online that is based on erroneous noncanon tech manuals my comment still stands. You'll notice I said go to the Paramount run site or write and ask them.

You said that 60 galaxy cruisers would loose to 1 Isd. This is the fact that we are arguing. So you can't use it in an argument.

Okay, we KNOW the Galaxy class cruiser has Shields that are dropped by 400 gigawatts. We KNOW that two more shots had the ship completely helpless. We KNOW that the TurboLaser on an Imperical class Star Destroyer has enough power outpu to vaporize a 100 meter wide Asteroid. We KNOW from canon the basic composition of the Asteroids in that belt. We KNOW from physics that the minimum power to just vaporize one 10 meter radius Asteroid is 34,063,940,244,505.5 joules. We KNOW the Bolt was 1/15th of a second. We KNOW that to effect that sort of power the bolt would be 5.10959E+14 watts for 1/15 of a second. We KNOW that this number is 1277.397759 the power of the 400 gigawatt bolt. We know from canon that an Imperial class Star Destroyer carries sixty of these weapons.

when you talked about the borg ship not having armour and such, you lost my point. It was the kilometre destruction of each torpedo that I was thinking about. As in a star destroyer would have been engulfed in the explosion. Not saying the sd would be destroyed but anything that could cause that much of a bang is pretty big.

First of all we are not sure what the Bang was and 9km is still far far far less than current nuclear weaponry. I am saying since we only saw it against one enemy, an eenmy that can be killed by any ot today's hackers, that for all we know Transphasic torpedoes only work against one enemy.

the last couple arguments you are arguing the idea again rather then a viable statement so I really can't say much to them, but in the last one about the monks. What monks are you talking about. Not the ones in Jabbas palace I hope.

I believe they were the Teras Kai (could be worng about the name) but they were in the second Thrawn based series. They could fold space much like Dune Navigators and it was hinted that they had far greater powers.

[TW Scott]

AHhhh...Never a shortage of non canon Theories....

The real reason why this was an easy challenge Scott is because I relied on cannon to tell the answers.

You've been checked and in what really amounts to about 6 moves. The path you took was predictable and despite your own ranting (I love a good rant) you were unable to provide an explanation for any of these reasons

By Saquist

You've been Trumped by canon proof.
I never expected you to fold. You will never fold no matter how much evidence or how simple the equation. But one can manuver you into fouling up and you just did. This was like a Queens Gambit...A play Action Fake.

You didn't even stick to your "calcuations". You went straignt to the noncannon.

You tried to reason...but that according to you quote: By Scott

None of the problems I asked did you even bring a shred of canon material. Now heres the sad part.

You never saw it coming. With all this talk of cannon. You worship the canon. It can do no wrong and you fail to use it to defend your position with the cannon.

I mean who cares what you think is the reason why any of that stuff happened the way it did. What does the cannon say? That's what you've been saying this whole time. Over and Over again. Any one can pull a theory from their crack
Sorry, though Canon beats theory...hands down.

You didn't have it....

I'll prove it too you....

You out right lied in ignorance...The naboo fighter was taken down by a tank. Another direct correlation and Scott...another error.

[IMG][/IMG]

Just so you can't weasel out it SCOTT SAID


OH NO!!!!! I REMEMBER! IT LOOKS LIKE IT WUZZZZ A TANK! OH NO! AND IT WAS THE MAIN BARREL TOO!
Bring it on Scott, I'll be your Huckleberry...

Ladies and Gentleman: Scott's theory of common MegaTon Weaponry is dependant on focusing on isolated events. Once we expand the scope the Truth is revealed. When weapon exchanges takes place from across enagement tactics, namely fighers/capital ships to the one man level tanks/ hand guns, it demonstrates the scope of the fire power and tells us what can take out what. According to Scott. The next figher that leaves the THEED HANGER will have shields so strong the Tank weapons, inferior, to space combat will shrug off the blast. However it does not. The next fighter is struck squarely in the engine by the tank's main weapon and plumets to the valley floor.

ENTER DEFIANT
Checkmate:

Oh, so you admit to being a liar and a fraud, alright, nice shot by the way completely ignoring the fact that as we all plainly saw in the movie that the shot that took down the fighter came from the OTHER side of the hangar. The same Turret that took potshots art Anakin when he flew out.

Then again you might remember that the Main Gun on a Federation Tanks is a Star Fighter's Laser canon. Which is why they are feared so much. However this did not occur to you at all.

Oh and for the record Naboo FIghter are poorly armored.


Oh and keep harping about canon, you sound really funny seeing as how you can't spell it correctly consistantly. And it's obvious that you are not arguing from canon when it doesn't suit your purpose.

[TW Scott]

Just another thought. This is from the books more than anything. When Yavin 4 was attacked and all the jedi were running around in the forest in dark saber the sd were fireing from orbit. Now I know that during that time the enterprise could have cut a whole in the planet obliterating much for km's in all directions. Yet the star destroyers, who were not out for prisoners but wanted to destroy the jedi, barely scratched the surface. Not to mention how many sd it took to rain a little havoc on the clone world could of again been accomplished by 1 or 2 galaxy class star ships in the same amount of time.

With a 200 mega ton cannon hitting the ground that many times you would figure the ground would be damaged beyond repair.

Some would argue that Dark Saber is not canon becuase it is in the list of book Lucas said basically "Oh hell no." but I don't have the same problems. The Yavin 4 incident can be chalked up to the fact that due to the Sith using the planet as Temple and experimental Lab there is not one single unaltered spoceies on the planet. They are alchemically atered to be vicious, powerful and energy resistant, much like the virtually indestrucatble stone of the Masassi temples. Beside Turning an Acre of wet dense jungle into a pool of magma take unbelievable amounts of power. Much more than an Star Trek vessel is supposed to be able to survive.

[Saquist]

Oh, so you admit to being a liar and a fraud, alright, nice shot by the way completely ignoring the fact that as we all plainly saw in the movie that the shot that took down the fighter came from the OTHER side of the hangar. The same Turret that took potshots art Anakin when he flew out.

And not a shread of evidence in sight to support your lip flapping. I'm not surprised. It'll soon be three in a row. I'll pull the CD out later. (I can snap shot this stuff)

In any event I've been mulling over the possiblities. Since you said that Artoo was made of the same constuction material as a naboo fighter this brings new information to light. Regardless if you were lying about this too. You haven't brought a single bit of cannon to show you're not lying and making this up as you go along.

I digress, Looks like Artoo took one for the Team in A New Hope. When he got lit up by the single bolt of energy it showed that the X wing would have been skewered by that shot.

By association Tie and X wings have a sub-kiko ton fire power in lasers...WHICH, guess what means that they real are just lasers.

Again by association lesser fighers to the X-wing design, namely the A-Wing took down the Imperial Super Star Destroyer Executor.

All this destruction happen bellow the Megaton range.
This example says much about the amount of fire power Star Wars space combat supports.

Now how much the Main batteries of the ISD generate is a bit of Mystery. One that I'm working on.

[Jan Gaarni]

More than likely (speculation) That was a Rebel addition to the vessel.
If it wasn't then Likely it was used litteral o tow other objects.

Yeah, something like that latter part I guess. Cause, why is there a seat in the rear otherwise, was that also installed after? What was there before then in that case?

[Saquist]

See that's exactly how I was thinking. I couldn't think what that rear seat could have possibly have been for on that design except for a gunnery position so I just figured it came with the whole Tow cable thing. But the speed does look very civilan patrol oriented and low budget.

I thought that was intresting.

Oh, so you admit to being a liar and a fraud, alright, nice shot by the way completely ignoring the fact that as we all plainly saw in the movie that the shot that took down the fighter came from the OTHER side of the hangar.

Scott...
Whatever gets you through the day.

I just reviewed the movie. You're wrong again. The shots came from the left side of hanger.

That's Three Times a Liar. And it came from the Tank.
stinks doesn't it when you're caught red handed.

This terminally destroys the Megaton theory and any need for calculations.
Since Trek is a matter of on screen statements concerning Megatons...It looks like the Galaxy Class could take multiple ISD's.

I don't know how this will effect the Novel Cataclysm. I may bump up the fire power of the ISD if needed. The truth is I don't believe we ever see the effects of ISD guns on another capital. RotJ is the only Film the ISD exchanges blows with other captial ships and strangely the effects were left out the fighting.

[TW Scott]

In any event I've been mulling over the possiblities. Since you said that Artoo was made of the same constuction material as a naboo fighter this brings new information to light. Regardless if you were lying about this too. You haven't brought a single bit of cannon to show you're not lying and making this up as you go along.

I digress, Looks like Artoo took one for the Team in A New Hope. When he got lit up by the single bolt of energy it showed that the X wing would have been skewered by that shot.

Reviewing the scene in slow-motions the shot did much the same thing as the one that crippled the Tantive IV. The rapidly fired twin bolts of energy struck the shields and musch of their enery dissipated , however refracted shards struck R2 lighting him up.

By association Tie and X wings have a sub-kiko ton fire power in lasers...WHICH, guess what means that they real are just lasers.

Interesting, I have never claimed the weapons on Fighters to be anything else. It's the turbolasers on the heaver turrets and capital ships that act different. And you can't just blithely claim sub-kiloton firepower (even if you could spell it correctly) You have not seen these weapons used on anything that was not made of Dura-Armor, which canonly has Nuetronium as a componenet.

Again by association lesser fighers to the X-wing design, namely the A-Wing took down the Imperial Super Star Destroyer Executor.

The A-wing did not destroy the SSD Executioner. Continued firepower from a fleet of ships heavily damaged her, then the A-Wing took out the main bridge shorting the ships control for about 30 seconds causing it to crash inot the Death Star II at speed.

All this destruction happen bellow the Megaton range.
This example says much about the amount of fire power Star Wars space combat supports.

And again, just distortion of facts on your part. You have uttered very little that is not an outright lie or fabrication, not to mention horribly misspelled.

Now how much the Main batteries of the ISD generate is a bit of Mystery. One that I'm working on.

The work is already done. Lucas says X amount it is X amount my work only confirms it is much more that any Federation vessel could hope to survive.