Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Believe]

I agree Simon Pegg is the bomb. Is anyone going to see his new movie Paul?

[George1]

Scientists from wars are the laughing stock of science fiction.

What kind of idiots would build something as big as a super star destroyer where the most vulnerable part was the bridge?

laughable? let me give you a heads up: Quantum-crystalline armor capable of withstanding a supernova, galaxy gun, ds (by the way, lets see the feds design one, build one, and then you can mock it), not to mention hyperspace, galaxy wide real time communication for thousands of years. and the executor was subject to severe bombardment from the majority of the rebel fleet, and a suicide was needed to really bring it down. a fed ship wouldn't lasted a second.

[Shogun]

:d:d:d

Note: You need at least 1 lowercase to use uppercase.

[Kittamaru]

laughable? let me give you a heads up: Quantum-crystalline armor capable of withstanding a supernova, galaxy gun, ds (by the way, lets see the feds design one, build one, and then you can mock it), not to mention hyperspace, galaxy wide real time communication for thousands of years. and the executor was subject to severe bombardment from the majority of the rebel fleet, and a suicide was needed to really bring it down. a fed ship wouldn't lasted a second.

Truth be told... it just seems like the empire is compensating for something by building all this giant shit... small penis syndrome anyone?

[Dywyddyr]

Truth be told... it just seems like the empire is compensating for something by building all this giant shit... small penis syndrome anyone?

Now there's a subject for a thesis!
And Kirk shags everything in sight because he feels sexually inadequate and is over-compensating.

[Shogun]

Truth be told... it just seems like the empire is compensating for something by building all this giant shit... small penis syndrome anyone?

Might be Wouldn't doubt it

[fedr808]

You talk about Imperial scientists, starwars scientist is something different.

I can same the same about the fed's scientists. Most of the best weapons of the fed's are build by someone building it in secret without the fed's knowing. Hell even data wasn't build by the feds. Klingons had cloakshields way before the feds. The probable have it because Kirk got back in a bird of prey.
so don't even think that Imperials are the best scientist there are.

the best example ? Hyperspace get from one side to galaxy the other in a few hours Warp ? the same thing takes years

Allthough Scotty ans Wesley Crusher are top aces. those guy can accomplish excellent things. respect hehe

Yah but the scientists whom created hyperspace are long dead, so its not like thats a good argument.

Also, it does have disadvantages. Unless you have accurate mapings of the galaxy then your liable to end up in a black hole or gravity well. And slamming into a gravity well at thousands of times the speed of light is generally unadvisable.

[fedr808]

laughable? let me give you a heads up: Quantum-crystalline armor capable of withstanding a supernova, galaxy gun, ds (by the way, lets see the feds design one, build one, and then you can mock it), not to mention hyperspace, galaxy wide real time communication for thousands of years. and the executor was subject to severe bombardment from the majority of the rebel fleet, and a suicide was needed to really bring it down. a fed ship wouldn't lasted a second.

Great, so where was this magical armor when the ewoks were throwing sticks and stones.

Contrary to popular belief, sticks and stones will kill a stormtrooper.


Quantum crystalline armor? Wtf does that mean? dude, if I take enough diamonds and put them on a vest then that would qualify as quantum crystaline armor. Hell, take a shirt, cover it in glue and then cover that in smashed up graphite from a mechanical pencil. Now you have quantum crystalline armor.

The name of that armor is about as impressive as saying "that fighter moves fast?", how fast? Relative to a pebble a snail moves pretty fast. Plus, such armor is not common place and is extremely rare.

Ablative armor is far superior.

A suicide by a pathetic fart of a ship. That suicide was not impressive. It was pathetic. The fact that: a. none of the escorts could stop it, b. none of the tie fighters could stop it, c. none of the turbolasers could stop it, d. none of the missiles could stop it, e. none of the laser cannons could stop it, and f. none of the shields could stop it is the most pathetic excuse for a defense I have ever heard of in my entire life.

And if you think that was bad wait till you see a warp core overload, that is a massive explosion.

[Kittamaru]

The A-Wing that crashed into the SSD was carrying super-mega neutron seismic charges! It was a planned suicide run! Didn't you know that!?!?!?!

[/tinfoil]

[George1]

Great, so where was this magical armor when the ewoks were throwing sticks and stones.

the Quantum crystalline armor is not for stormtroopers armor.

Contrary to popular belief, sticks and stones will kill a stormtrooper.

i'd be dam surprise if someone woudn't die when hes hit in the head by a rock, helmet or not. remember that flying ewok that dropped rocks in their heads?

Quantum crystalline armor? Wtf does that mean? dude, if I take enough diamonds and put them on a vest then that would qualify as quantum crystaline armor. Hell, take a shirt, cover it in glue and then cover that in smashed up graphite from a mechanical pencil. Now you have quantum crystalline armor.

no, Quantum crystalline armor dose not refer to diamonds, nor graphite. the material is unknown, but it is know what it is.
it is, for lack or other sources,

made possible by stacking a few layers of atoms as densely as the laws of physics could permit, and laminating them above another thin film that was as strong, but phase shifted.

The name of that armor is about as impressive as saying "that fighter moves fast?", how fast? Relative to a pebble a snail moves pretty fast. Plus, such armor is not common place and is extremely rare.

if your so lame you decide what is good and bad by their name, i have nothing to talk to you anymore. and yes its rare. IT CAN RESISTS A FUCKING SUPERNOVA.

Ablative armor is far superior.

can it resists a fucking supernova?

A suicide by a pathetic fart of a ship. That suicide was not impressive. It was pathetic. The fact that: a. none of the escorts could stop it, b. none of the tie fighters could stop it, c. none of the turbolasers could stop it, d. none of the missiles could stop it, e. none of the laser cannons could stop it, and f. none of the shields could stop it is the most pathetic excuse for a defense I have ever heard of in my entire life.

then analyze again. as "pathetic" as it was, it was their only hope. with the BRIDGE SHIELD DOWN, they had one chances, and that poor guy sacrifice himself. the escorts were busy, the fighters were not fast enough (the A wing is know to be a lot more faster than tie fighters) and so it was to fast for the turbolasers, and as for the misses i don't know. i don't even know if the executor has them in that area.

And if you think that was bad wait till you see a warp core overload, that is a massive explosion.

right.

[George1]

Yah but the scientists whom created hyperspace are long dead, so its not like thats a good argument.

Also, it does have disadvantages. Unless you have accurate mapings of the galaxy then your liable to end up in a black hole or gravity well. And slamming into a gravity well at thousands of times the speed of light is generally unadvisable.

well that tends to happen when you travel at thousands of time the speed of light in hyperspace: you get pass objects dam quick, and you can't avoid them if you don't know EXACTLY and EXACTLY where they are. and by the way, yes the guys who invented hyperspace were dead...FOR 30,000 YEARS! however they (the rakatan) had very limited hyperdrives. they could only jump to planets with a strong tie to the force, mostly the dark side. by the time of the empire, the drive was perfected over thousands of years and unlike the belief that it is a long period, let me remind you that it is a much more advance method of travel than warp drive. while the warp drive was stuck at warp 9.9, equivalent to some 3053 c (http://www.ussdragonstar.com/utilitycore/warpspeeds.asp, wjich i am not sure its accurate, but even double or triple is small compare to the hyperdrive that by class 1 had a speed well in excess of 1 million c.

[George1]

Now there's a subject for a thesis!
And Kirk shags everything in sight because he feels sexually inadequate and is over-compensating.

not to mention he probably laid the seed for future races over half the quadrant...

[siphra]

the Quantum crystalline armor is not for stormtroopers armor.
i'd be dam surprise if someone woudn't die when hes hit in the head by a rock, helmet or not. remember that flying ewok that dropped rocks in their heads?

Sorry, but earth armor from the middleages would not allow you to die from a rock to the head unless it was thrown by a catapult or other seige engine. They could actually hold off weapons to the head and keep the person alive, it's actually kind of the point of armor.

well that tends to happen when you travel at thousands of time the speed of light in hyperspace: you get pass objects dam quick, and you can't avoid them if you don't know EXACTLY and EXACTLY where they are. and by the way, yes the guys who invented hyperspace were dead...FOR 30,000 YEARS! however they (the rakatan) had very limited hyperdrives. they could only jump to planets with a strong tie to the force, mostly the dark side. by the time of the empire, the drive was perfected over thousands of years and unlike the belief that it is a long period, let me remind you that it is a much more advance method of travel than warp drive. while the warp drive was stuck at warp 9.9, equivalent to some 3053 c (http://www.ussdragonstar.com/utilitycore/warpspeeds.asp, wjich i am not sure its accurate, but even double or triple is small compare to the hyperdrive that by class 1 had a speed well in excess of 1 million c.

Different technology groups != more or less advanced. Lets put it this way, most people own a car, but not a plane. The plane is a lot faster, but most planes are not more advanced than most cars. (Not counting military crap here, or commercial, I am thinking single engine, private planes think Cessna.) Just because its faster, doesn't mean its more advanced.

It's like this: Let's just say that m-theory is right, (which I do not believe, I believe in testable standard model, and every time a version of m-theory dies I host a party.) Now, according to some models of M-theory, we are only a Planck Length away from any point in the universe. So lets say we have two groups doing research, one on a way of using this M-theory breakthrough for travel, the other on the Alcubierre Warp drive. The M-theory drive would be 'faster' but if we found a way of working the other one first it may be slower, but we might be able to make it far more efficient. (In fact, we might even give up on the M-theory drive, seeing no point in further research in that direction.)

[siphra]

not to mention he probably laid the seed for future races over half the quadrant...

Kirk == Preservers?

[fedr808]

not to mention he probably laid the seed for future races over half the quadrant...

Evolution, Kirk style.

[fedr808]

the Quantum crystalline armor is not for stormtroopers armor.
i'd be dam surprise if someone woudn't die when hes hit in the head by a rock, helmet or not. remember that flying ewok that dropped rocks in their heads?

no, Quantum crystalline armor dose not refer to diamonds, nor graphite. the material is unknown, but it is know what it is.
it is, for lack or other sources,
if your so lame you decide what is good and bad by their name, i have nothing to talk to you anymore. and yes its rare. IT CAN RESISTS A FUCKING SUPERNOVA.
can it resists a fucking supernova?
then analyze again. as "pathetic" as it was, it was their only hope. with the BRIDGE SHIELD DOWN, they had one chances, and that poor guy sacrifice himself. the escorts were busy, the fighters were not fast enough (the A wing is know to be a lot more faster than tie fighters) and so it was to fast for the turbolasers, and as for the misses i don't know. i don't even know if the executor has them in that area.

right.

The only ship with that quantum crystalline armor is at the center of a black hole.

[George1]

The only ship with that quantum crystalline armor is at the center of a black hole.

exactly. anyway, they made it in the first place. that's all that counts.

oh, and what about the sun crusher's main weapon? its capable of blowing up an entire star system. so much for the genesis device, but hey both were never heard of again.

[George1]

Sorry, but earth armor from the middleages would not allow you to die from a rock to the head unless it was thrown by a catapult or other seige engine. They could actually hold off weapons to the head and keep the person alive, it's actually kind of the point of armor.

yes, but on the other hand, it is not sure they died, or just went unconscious. would middleages armor protect you from sever head injuries when a rock hits you?

Different technology groups != more or less advanced. Lets put it this way, most people own a car, but not a plane. The plane is a lot faster, but most planes are not more advanced than most cars. (Not counting military crap here, or commercial, I am thinking single engine, private planes think Cessna.) Just because its faster, doesn't mean its more advanced.

It's like this: Let's just say that m-theory is right, (which I do not believe, I believe in testable standard model, and every time a version of m-theory dies I host a party.) Now, according to some models of M-theory, we are only a Planck Length away from any point in the universe. So lets say we have two groups doing research, one on a way of using this M-theory breakthrough for travel, the other on the Alcubierre Warp drive. The M-theory drive would be 'faster' but if we found a way of working the other one first it may be slower, but we might be able to make it far more efficient. (In fact, we might even give up on the M-theory drive, seeing no point in further research in that direction.)

yes, but i was not talking about efficiency. considering that a small ship like the millennium falcon was able to achieve 0.5 lightspeed (not c), while Voyager, the fastest ship in the federation was how big? and transwarp ships were mostly huge, like the Borg or the Voth, and were still less faster, and doubtfully had bigger power generation, don't you agree? which is more effective? the small, little falcon's hyperdrive or the huge transwarp vessels?or warp vessels?

[siphra]

yes, but on the other hand, it is not sure they died, or just went unconscious. would middleages armor protect you from sever head injuries when a rock hits you?




yes, but i was not talking about efficiency. considering that a small ship like the millennium falcon was able to achieve 0.5 lightspeed (not c), while Voyager, the fastest ship in the federation was how big? and transwarp ships were mostly huge, like the Borg or the Voth, and were still less faster, and doubtfully had bigger power generation, don't you agree? which is more effective? the small, little falcon's hyperdrive or the huge transwarp vessels?or warp vessels?

Yes, they would prevent severe injury from rocks. Ummm, Hello, we have warp shuttles that can barely fit 6 people. So size isn't a factor here. ( Have you seen any ST?) Voyager (iirc) did not have transwarp, if it did, the entire story of them having to warp back to fed space would have been moot, as Transwarp speeds are effectively the same as Hyperspace speeds.

Oh and with respect to the Sun Crusher, Trilithium Missiles (Star Trek Generations) .

We can play the one up game as often as you want.

[George1]

thing is, their slower. period. that's my point, wanna argue against the obvious?

and the Trilithium Missiles seam to act the same way as the sun crusher's torpedoes: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Resonance_torpedo

it halts or destabilized the reactions inside the star. also, i like the one up game. its fun.