Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Believe** · 02-20-11, 05:06 PM

The laser thing isn't crap. The lasers on a fighter would have a similar strength to the ones that they said couldn't touch them. Also, your totally Lucas

**George1** · 02-20-11, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Believe

The laser thing isn't crap. The lasers on a fighter would have a similar strength to the ones that they said couldn't touch them. Also, your totally Lucas

no, cuz like i told a million other trekkies: THEIR NOT LASERS!!!
AND IM NOT LUCAS!!!!!!!

**Believe** · 02-20-11, 05:08 PM

Here is my question for the ST universe. Does entering the warp field make you totally non-interacting with regular matter? If not I wonder why they don't make kinetic energy weapons. You could accelerate a 200 pound pile of dog poo up to warp 9 and POW!

**siphra** · 02-20-11, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Believe

Here is my question for the ST universe. Does entering the warp field make you totally non-interacting with regular matter? If not I wonder why they don't make kinetic energy weapons. You could accelerate a 200 pound pile of dog poo up to warp 9 and POW!

False,

The warp engine does not accelerate a ship beyond the speed of light. It moves the bubble of space surrounding the ship at faster than the speed of light, by creating a temporary region of subspace that overlaps normal space.
Though a starship moving at impulse hitting a planet would still be a bad thing me thinks.

**Believe** · 02-20-11, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by siphra

False,

The warp engine does not accelerate a ship beyond the speed of light. It moves the bubble of space surrounding the ship at faster than the speed of light, by creating a temporary region of subspace that overlaps normal space.
Though a starship moving at impulse hitting a planet would still be a bad thing me thinks.

Voyager could do 80% of C at full impulse so yeah it would be horrible.

**George1** · 02-20-11, 06:41 PM

the kinetic energy of an object traveling at 80% c is probably enough to rip a hole through the planet, or a very large crater!
now a ship at warp would not be so high, but still...EVACUATE...if you can.

**Shogun** · 02-20-11, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Believe

Here is my question for the ST universe. Does entering the warp field make you totally non-interacting with regular matter? If not I wonder why they don't make kinetic energy weapons. You could accelerate a 200 pound pile of dog poo up to warp 9 and POW!

Well no, because there is no acceleration per se, and no change in vectors.

I'd hate to be the guy who cleans up though if a pile of dog crap hit the ship

Well a picture is worth a thousand words.....or a equation. That is the alcubierre metric, the warp in Star Trek is similar to the alcubierre drive.

Or a weblink

http://www.andersoninstitute.com/alc...arp-drive.html

**Believe** · 02-21-11, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Shogun

Well no, because there is no acceleration per se, and no change in vectors.

I'd hate to be the guy who cleans up though if a pile of dog crap hit the ship

Well a picture is worth a thousand words.....or a equation. That is the alcubierre metric, the warp in Star Trek is similar to the alcubierre drive.

Or a weblink

http://www.andersoninstitute.com/alc...arp-drive.html

So let me get this straight. This means that you don't really move but the space you occupy moves at the superluminal speed in relation to the space around it? Then since no matter moves (just space) you don't actually break C you just avoid it all together.

So what is a transwarp? Do you think they move through planck space?

**George1** · 02-21-11, 03:26 PM

after 1050 pages, i think the winner is obvious!
STARGATE! muhahaha! kicks the ass out of all the others on the pol!

**Believe** · 02-21-11, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by George1

after 1050 pages, i think the winner is obvious!
STARGATE! muhahaha! kicks the ass out of all the others on the pol!

Dude, spaceballs clearly wins. What could ST or SW do against the megamaid?

**George1** · 02-21-11, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Believe

Dude, spaceballs clearly wins. What could ST or SW do against the megamaid?

in a matter of fact, your right. they would suck the air of planets....now that's an effective weapon if you ask me...

**Shogun** · 02-21-11, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Believe

So let me get this straight. This means that you don't really move but the space you occupy moves at the superluminal speed in relation to the space around it? Then since no matter moves (just space) you don't actually break C you just avoid it all together.

Yeah, actually they don't change vectors at all, the space is manipulated around it

The best example will be a treadmill....it is the best because I can't think of any better. Put a toy car on it, put a dot infront, turn it on then turn it off, the dot is probably behind the car, but the car ( well in this example ) didn't change vectors

So what is a transwarp? Do you think they move through planck space?

Don't know about transwarp, for all I know it could be quantum entanglement

Never seen transwarp in Star Trek, dunno anything about it, sorry mate.

**Shogun** · 02-21-11, 06:44 PM

The Alcubierre Metric is a piece of art, the equation explains it WAY better then I could....sorry for my bad examples.....

**George1** · 02-22-11, 10:21 AM

cry cry, a new image of Alderaan's shield!

now, SEE THE SHIELD?

**fedr808** · 02-22-11, 10:52 AM

honestly I don't. I think the other pictures showing it are better.

George, it's a giant f ing laser, of course the sky is going to be lit up.

**fedr808** · 02-22-11, 10:54 AM

Also, when the movie was made, did they actually have the technology to make a good looking shield?

I keep on thinking over and over but I cant think of one time in episode 4, 5, and 6 where you actually saw a shield.

Im sure there was one or two cases, but not very many.

Look at the beginning of episode IV, neither ship looked like it had shields of any kind, sure you can argue the blockade runner's were down, but what about the star destroyer? How could a blockade runner take down the shields of a star destroyer?

**George1** · 02-22-11, 12:11 PM

then you may want to explain why the glow is still there even when the planet (and most likely the atmosphere) is blowing away!
it would be impossible. and above that, the laser ISN'T a literal laser.

**fedr808** · 02-22-11, 12:33 PM

sunlight from the sun. Why else is it that one edge of the planet is bright (the left) and the other dark (to the immediate right) where in your first image it was all bright?

Anyways, in theory the shield would overload quickly after the tectonics start cracking apart.

Why would a planet like Alderaan have a shield anyways? Wasn't it 'peaceful'?

**siphra** · 02-22-11, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by fedr808

sunlight from the sun. Why else is it that one edge of the planet is bright (the left) and the other dark (to the immediate right) where in your first image it was all bright?

Anyways, in theory the shield would overload quickly after the tectonics start cracking apart.

Why would a planet like Alderaan have a shield anyways? Wasn't it 'peaceful'?

It was the political center of the rebellion, and a valid military target.

**George1** · 02-22-11, 01:29 PM

above that, Vader said in the novelization "the defenses of Alderaan" as being as powerful as any in the Empire. why would anyone bother mention them if it wasn't something powerful enough to even compare? some puny ground defenses wouldn't even be worth mention.
your theroy about the sunlight is wrong. the grow is much more stronger than in the last image, where that part of the planet isn't even that bright.

if you haven't notice, the grow is consistent with the grow of a shield, extending from the beam, and growing blue, like every other shields in star wars.

EDIT: Alderaan is an ancient and rich planet, center of the rebellion (Bail Organa's fortune was the dam money behind it for that matter) and a known opposition in the senate to the Empire's military expansion. in The Forsh Unleashed, Bail was captured by the empire but manage to escape. unfortunately because of the senate, he couldn't be arrested. the Empire was know to whip out entire planets just to punish one person dude. Alderaan wasn't exactly loved by the Moff's, because it opposed them and the Emperor. it had more than enough reasons and resources for a planetary shield. Caamas, a world much less advance and rich than Alderaan had a shield.

EDIT: The grow on the light side of the planet in the second image is due to the energy radiating through the shield dude. a shockwave like the one in the gungan shields, but at a much larger scale.observe the point at which the beam strikes becomes less blue in color, while the rest of the grow radiates away and is blue. consistent with a shield.