Star Wars vs Star Trek

[George1]

For one, the slip space drive would allow them to follow.

right, the one that was equipped on all of their ships? NO, they can't! they don't have mass produced slip space drives, or whatever they call them. only voyager had it, and it almost killed them. and we never see them using it again.EVER!

[Believe]

right, the one that was equipped on all of their ships? NO, they can't! they don't have mass produced slip space drives, or whatever they call them. only voyager had it, and it almost killed them. and we never see them using it again.EVER!

Actually the slip space drive is standard issue on future ST ships and since we never named a time period.....

Also, why would the orbital defenses worry about fighter that cant even damage a shuttle craft exactly? They also are not stupid.

[Trekmonster]

Ok, so if they have these weapons why do you think they don't use them?

I will try to find it but i had another named treaty that was in regards to limiting weapons yields being used in combat compared to those that can e used for other events like emergencies ect, il try to find it.

[George1]

Actually the slip space drive is standard issue on future ST ships and since we never named a time period.....

since that, it could as well be thousends of years into the future! and i found nothing on future ships using the quantum slipstream, so give us sources.

Also, why would the orbital defenses worry about fighter that cant even damage a shuttle craft exactly? They also are not stupid.

ok, so your reasoning is "thousands of fighters swarming around and firing at me are of no concern!" they would be a pain in the ass dude! the orbital defenses either had to fire on the ds, and risk taking heavy damage from enemy fire, or target the fighters and lose the occasion of delaying the ds. yeah, delay it, cuz that's the best they could hope.

[Believe]

since that, it could as well be thousends of years into the future! and i found nothing on future ships using the quantum slipstream, so give us sources.

ok, so your reasoning is "thousands of fighters swarming around and firing at me are of no concern!" they would be a pain in the ass dude! the orbital defenses either had to fire on the ds, and risk taking heavy damage from enemy fire, or target the fighters and lose the occasion of delaying the ds. yeah, delay it, cuz that's the best they could hope.

They could trash the DS. The fighters couldn't scratch the paint on a shuttle craft, let alone an orbital defense platform.

[Lord Vasago]

First of all i would like to say that most of the people in here have agreed that to keep this discusion civilised we need to have an ' All vs All' because otherwise the feds won't even stand a chance. Ferengi will indeed sell there mother for profit. rebels will give intell to the feds. Dominions and romulans will betray the feds in a instand.

so it is best that it's all ST against All SW.

Now tell me why a deathstar would have any trouble getting to earth ? the defences at Jupiter and pluto ? yeah right. pluto is way smaller than alderan (so scientist don't call it even a planet) before they even get ready it's gone.
by the way why would they need to even be in the vicinity of them.
Like I said in a other threat.

Our solar system in shaped like a dish (space wise) so earth, mars Jupiter Pluto you name it , they are on one line (again space wise) So if the deathstar enters right above or below earth they have only HQ to protect them. One shot and earths gone. who cares if the deathstar gets away or not. meanwhile the home planets of the Klingons, ferengi, romulans, vulcans, Dominions, Bajorans, Cardasians are gone to. The panic would be so enormous that it would take them to much time to get organised. time they will not have.

The only problem i see with this is like i said before Q.
Allthough in a normal way the Q's would have a field day with this war we are in a All vs All debate so we sadly have to say that Q will be on ST side in this battle. Now if SW only find a way to get their hands on some Q weapons hehehe

[Lord Vasago]

I will try to find it but i had another named treaty that was in regards to limiting weapons yields being used in combat compared to those that can e used for other events like emergencies ect, il try to find it.

Emergencies like earth being treathened by borg ????

[George1]

They could trash the DS. The fighters couldn't scratch the paint on a shuttle craft, let alone an orbital defense platform.

were talking about thousands of fighters dude, able to fire at a very high rate. quit this all powerful view of star trek, its not working. what evidence do you have that thousands of fighters would do no scratch? huh? no shield can take it forever. definitely not when their fired upon from all sides at a rate the tie fighters were saw to pull out.
trashing the DS? hahaha, don't make me laugh! its shield wouldn't even be scratch! its surface even less! especial considering its sheer bulk! it could take all the firepower those platform could give, even without a shield! just live with it: if the DS enters the system, your screwed!|
EDIT: Lord Vasago said is right! the defenses around earth are weak!

[Lord Vasago]

Actually the slip space drive is standard issue on future ST ships and since we never named a time period.....

Also, why would the orbital defenses worry about fighter that cant even damage a shuttle craft exactly? They also are not stupid.

actually if you destroy earth the timeline changes and there is no enterprise e. Even there is one don't they have a primedirective they must uphold ? Helping tng timeperiod could actually be hazardous for themselves. I find timetravel in scifi so overated and actually a poor excuse from the writers. sorry thats my opinion.

[Believe]

were talking about thousands of fighters dude, able to fire at a very high rate. quit this all powerful view of star trek, its not working. what evidence do you have that thousands of fighters would do no scratch? huh? no shield can take it forever. definitely not when their fired upon from all sides at a rate the tie fighters were saw to pull out.
trashing the DS? hahaha, don't make me laugh! its shield wouldn't even be scratch! its surface even less! especial considering its sheer bulk! it could take all the firepower those platform could give, even without a shield! just live with it: if the DS enters the system, your screwed!|
EDIT: Lord Vasago said is right! the defenses around earth are weak!

Actually, no one has seen the defenses around earth. I would expect that after the Borg cube almost made it there they have been stepped up significantly.

The DS can be blown up with one little bomb. A photon torpedo could make its way down the same hole. Also, phasers could bore a hole into the core and boom.

Lasers cannot get past the navigational shields on a ST vessel, let alone the main shields so fighters could not harm their ships. Transphasic torpedoes blow past shields like they are not there.

[fedr808]

They could trash the DS. The fighters couldn't scratch the paint on a shuttle craft, let alone an orbital defense platform.

Plus, lack of evidence does not disprove something nor does it prove it.

Just because we don't see quantum slipstream in the future doesn't mean it isn't used in the future. Merely that they don't want to reveal it to the "present".

[Lord Vasago]

ST allways thinks SW defencive shields are weak. In Return of the Jedi we see a SSD crash onto the surface of the DS2. It did damage yes but the ds barely scratched. Now in ST on the other hand we see the Enterpise hit the fully shielded scimitar leaving both ships inoperative.

[George1]

actually if you destroy earth the timeline changes and there is no enterprise e. Even there is one don't they have a primedirective they must uphold ? Helping tng timeperiod could actually be hazardous for themselves. I find timetravel in scifi so overated and actually a poor excuse from the writers. sorry thats my opinion.

same here. like i said it a few pages ago, time travel is the ultimate downfall of a scyfy. its a proof that the writers just milked all ideas out of their head. that's one of the things that makes SW superior to most scyfy in my opinion: lack of time travel! think about it! like every season of every trek series had a time travel episode! no star wars movie had ANY! every ten comic or trek book has time travel! i know of none in SW to have. that shows that the SW universe has better writers with more imagination.

[George1]

The DS can be blown up with one little bomb. A photon torpedo could make its way down the same hole. Also, phasers could bore a hole into the core and boom.

no, they can't. prove it can.

Lasers cannot get past the navigational shields on a ST vessel, let alone the main shields so fighters could not harm their ships. Transphasic torpedoes blow past shields like they are not there.

for fuck sake, your done. im done with you if you claim that.

[fedr808]

Actually, no one has seen the defenses around earth. I would expect that after the Borg cube almost made it there they have been stepped up significantly.

The DS can be blown up with one little bomb. A photon torpedo could make its way down the same hole. Also, phasers could bore a hole into the core and boom.

Lasers cannot get past the navigational shields on a ST vessel, let alone the main shields so fighters could not harm their ships. Transphasic torpedoes blow past shields like they are not there.

problem is that apparently sw lasers are actually plasma bolts rather then lasers. (Idiotic naming scheme I know).

In my opinion star wars shields would not block star trek shields.

[George1]

Plus, lack of evidence does not disprove something nor does it prove it.

Just because we don't see quantum slipstream in the future doesn't mean it isn't used in the future. Merely that they don't want to reveal it to the "present".

it dose work that way. now if it does not disprove something nor does it prove it, then it falls out of the debate. thank you!

[fedr808]

same here. like i said it a few pages ago, time travel is the ultimate downfall of a scyfy. its a proof that the writers just milked all ideas out of their head. that's one of the things that makes SW superior to most scyfy in my opinion: lack of time travel! think about it! like every season of every trek series had a time travel episode! no star wars movie had ANY! every ten comic or trek book has time travel! i know of none in SW to have. that shows that the SW universe has better writers with more imagination.

That is the heigh of stupidity.

[fedr808]

it dose work that way. now if it does not disprove something nor does it prove it, then it falls out of the debate. thank you!

What if the future merely didn't want the present to see such a drive?

Lack of evidence does not disprove something. It merely does not prove its existence.

George, when you finally get to high school level physics you will learn why.

[George1]

ST allways thinks SW defencive shields are weak. In Return of the Jedi we see a SSD crash onto the surface of the DS2. It did damage yes but the ds barely scratched. Now in ST on the other hand we see the Enterpise hit the fully shielded scimitar leaving both ships inoperative.

in Race for Survival, THREE star destroyers drop out of hyperspace directly into the Executor, and the Executor was barley slowed down, with insignificant structural damage and they still had the shield back!

[fedr808]

no, they can't. prove it can.

for fuck sake, your done. im done with you if you claim that.

either way it doesn't matter, star wars doesn't have any DS's as of the last movie.