Star Wars vs Star Trek

[NMSquirrel]

ah okay Star Trek still wins hahaha

not according to the pole..and my vote was star wars..they got the force..star trek doesn't have the force..

[Stray Dog5]

and your point being....

[Apocalypse2001]

Originally Posted by Stray Dog5
ah okay Star Trek still wins hahaha

not according to the pole..and my vote was star wars..they got the force..star trek doesn't have the force..

I think we've already established the force doesn't mean jack s#|+ when you up against certain things in Star Trek. There's too much to repeat here, so go back and check.

[NMSquirrel]

I think we've already established the force doesn't mean jack s#|+ when you up against certain things in Star Trek. There's too much to repeat here, so go back and check.

um 21,503 posts in this thread..and you want me to search all those for your opinion?

i don't think so..

why do you think the force doesn't mean squat?


BTW i am more of a star trek fan than a star wars fan..voyager was the best IMO, enterprise could have been better
and we are dealing with opinions, so there is no establishment..just opinions..

[Stray Dog5]

And you have the brain of a squirrel if you still believe opoin means anything, if your more of a Star Trek fan than a SW fan then why are you going for two dictators who eventually rule the universe,(except at the end), storm troopers who can't shoot straight, and ships that can't do squat? I mean light sabers and telekinesis not going to do much as apposed to...... fill iin the blank.

[Apocalypse2001]

um 21,503 posts in this thread..and you want me to search all those for your opinion?

i don't think so..

why do you think the force doesn't mean squat?


BTW i am more of a star trek fan than a star wars fan..voyager was the best IMO, enterprise could have been better
and we are dealing with opinions, so there is no establishment..just opinions..

???? I never asked you to look for my 'opinion' ......????? We haven't even started and you're attempting to make personal attacks.
And what I said back there was VIEW, not opinion. Opinion is a useless impression that has no basis in any knowledge base.
So you're obviously wrong on both accounts.

In the grand scheme of things, the force IS useless in the Star Trek world.
The force can't be used from a distance to throw people around, among other things. Not to mention the fact that there's AT LEAST one Betazoid on board any Federation ship, who would immediately sense a force user, thus preventing any of them from even getting ON a ship. As for the from a distance VIEW, the videolink, posted previously, proves that (even though the ending is completely impossible - the one where the Enterprise D is captured).
Also, the force would basically be useless against Allasomorph's.
- Allasomorph's have evaded so many methods of attack, its not even funny. And they can adapt immediately. A bit of telekinisis isn't going to stop them, short of a direct disruptor blast. Good luck to SW with being able to shoot straight on the first shot. They ejaculate more shots than they hit anything.
And Vader's tricks won't mean squat if they face the Dominion (Jem'Hadar), or the Breen.
- Benzite's can lure the Republic forces somewhere where they won't survive. The force won't mean jack s#|+ if you can't survive somewhere. The Benzite can derive sustanance from any organic compound.
- Human (Augment) can do things that will make force user's head spin.
- Hunters live and die by perfecting ever type of hunting practice with anyone they encounter. They could most likely figure out how to outsmart a force user.
- And I doubt force users have multispheric brains like the Kobali. Knowledge is power. And the Kobali sure as hell are much more intelligent, than most races, and even force users who only have basic intelligence. And considering the fact that they can take the corpses of other races and procreate, is enough to show you that it would be hard to kill them off. Force or no force.
- the Krenim use temporal based weapons on force users and could alter their existence. The could 'destroy' any primitive SW ship or person with a single shot. Case closed. Force? hah The SW armies won't even know if they were hit let alone be abe to attack.
- the Mari could make force- users think they were 6 year old girls lol nuff said
- the Medusans. Force use against them? You must be joking. Not to mention any other physical attack would be useless, whether they using a body or not
- the Mokra. Need I say more? And you thought Sith were ruthless dictators hah!
- Organian. No explanation needed. If they can possess someone without them knowing. force would be useless as well as any other primitive attack from SW forces
- ditto for Pah Wraith. Attacks by Sith? don't make me laugh.
- the Pakled: SW massive egos would be immediately deflated after what the Pakleds could do to them. Force? yeah sure. I got something better -->
the Stupid is strong with the Pakleds.
- the Sheliak. good luck using the force with them. SW inane babble would be cut off in the first sentence of communication. Good luck dealing with them.
- and no amount of force power can defeat the Silver Blood. And knowing what they know now. SW would be a buffet to them.
- the Takaran: considering their extremely high resistence to injury the fragile species' in SW would become lambs to the slaughter. Takarans also have voluntary control over their own physiology down to a cellular level. No one in SW universe has EVER shown that level of control over their bodies.
- Holograms. remember the rogue holograms in ST: Voyager? yeah nuff said.
- the Thasians can materialize, restructure and disintegrate matter at will. Force? what force?
They can confer psionic ability on other beings, which basically means SW is fucked, because they have to take years to LEARN how to use the force on a very advanced combat level. The ones Thasians alter can become very powerful with the speed of thought.
- don't even get me started on what Species 8472 can do to force users or other species in SW.

I have pages of these I could go on. But I really hope you get the picture.

[NMSquirrel]

I have pages of these I could go on. But I really hope you get the picture.

WOW..do you have much of a life?...

what are you tying to do? kill the thread?

anyone with a different opinion you jump down their throat?

the thread is called ST vr SW..it doesn't say thread closed ST wins..

if you have your mind made up..thats great..get out and let others discuss..
your job is not to conclude who wins..(although i see your point)

the object here is to have a discussion..not to slam everyone who thinks differently than you..

that post was way OCD...
doesn't give any room for discussion..

[NMSquirrel]

And you have the brain of a squirrel if you still believe opoin means anything,

no need for insults..
and when discussing things like this,that is all they are..opinions..

if your more of a Star Trek fan than a SW fan then why are you going for two dictators who eventually rule the universe,(except at the end), storm troopers who can't shoot straight, and ships that can't do squat? I mean light sabers and telekinesis not going to do much as apposed to...... fill iin the blank.

i was thinking of the force..but apparently..the jedi got killed off by deanna troy..btw apocolypse..she couldn't sense until they used their powers..

i would agree with the Storm troopers not shooting straight..lol

ST took on the borg..so yes..they could take on SW ships

[razordude]

ST took on the borg..so yes..they could take on SW ships

It would depend on which ones faced what. For an example a defiant VS. a Star Destroyer would lose while a corellian corvette VS. a Soverion class starship would lose. That must be considered also.

[razordude]

no need for insults..
and when discussing things like this,that is all they are..opinions

It is finally nice to have someone who is willing to discuss it and admit when he is wrong here, instead of insisting they are right all the time. That's whyI haven't posted on here in awhile.

[NMSquirrel]

It would depend on which ones faced what. For an example a defiant VS. a Star Destroyer would lose while a corellian corvette VS. a Soverion class starship would lose. That must be considered also.

defiant is way more faster than a star destroyer. defiant could get out of the way of any shot before it got to them.
it a matter of 'you got to hit me first'

[Apocalypse2001]

WOW..do you have much of a life?...

what are you tying to do? kill the thread?

anyone with a different opinion you jump down their throat?

the thread is called ST vr SW..it doesn't say thread closed ST wins..

if you have your mind made up..thats great..get out and let others discuss..
your job is not to conclude who wins..(although i see your point)

the object here is to have a discussion..not to slam everyone who thinks differently than you..

that post was way OCD...
doesn't give any room for discussion..

well what I see is that you don't know how to debate. And instead of arguing the points, you try to throw appeal-to-ridicule fallacies, and red-herring fallacies to avoid what's being discussed. That's what trolls usually do. Like ricrery previously.
This thread like others, DEMANDS that you prove and disprove. If your heart can't take it, then don't read it. If you don't have the balls to produce evidence of your own, stop trolling! We don't need another Ricerony to further damage this thread.
EDIT: I provided proof. You didn't.

[razordude]

defiant is way more faster than a star destroyer. defiant could get out of the way of any shot before it got to them.
it a matter of 'you got to hit me first'

But the stardestroyer would use it's tractor beams to hold it in place or swamp it ith Tie's.

[NMSquirrel]

It is finally nice to have someone who is willing to discuss it and admit when he is wrong here, instead of insisting they are right all the time. That's whyI haven't posted on here in awhile.

i have learned it does not matter who is right and who is wrong..there is NOTHING certain in this life..

and this topic is definitely not worth getting into a fight about..

[razordude]

i have learned it does not matter who is right and who is wrong..there is NOTHING certain in this life..

and this topic is definitely not worth getting into a fight about..

Your right. As far as I'm concerned this is just mean to be a fun debate not a war with insults and fighting.

[NMSquirrel]

well what I see is that you don't know how to debate. And instead of arguing the points, you try to throw appeal-to-ridicule fallacies, and red-herring fallacies to avoid what's being discussed. That's what trolls usually do. Like ricrery previously.
This thread like others, DEMANDS that you prove and disprove. If your heart can't take it, then don't read it. If you don't have the balls to produce evidence of your own, stop trolling! We don't need another Ricerony to further damage this thread.
EDIT: I provided proof. You didn't.

grow up dude..it isn't that important..
this isn't rocket science..the world ain't gonna end..

and that post is just further evidence that you are trying to kill the thread..
its not rice (i havent heard from rice so i dont know how he acts) that is damaging the thread..it is you..

its a freaking tv show for christ sake..get some perspective..

[razordude]

Ricery Is with out a doubt the worst one here about killing the thread.

[NMSquirrel]

Ricery Is with out a doubt the worst one here about killing the thread.

goodness..take a simple question and turn it into a criminal case..i don't need to be harassed like that..this is supposed to be a fun thread..he is sucking the fun right out of it..

i don't doubt what you say about rice as it usually takes two..

[razordude]

alright lets not bring down this thread talking about Ricery. I would like to see a comparison of a phaser pistol and a blaster pistol in power with scientific supporting links please. (no you tube videos I want real proof. I really don't know which is more powerful and It's time to start really debating again.)

[NMSquirrel]

alright lets not bring down this thread talking about Ricery. I would like to see a comparison of a phaser pistol and a blaster pistol in power with scientific supporting links please. (no you tube videos I want real proof. I really don't know which is more powerful and It's time to start really debating again.)

ok..now how can it be scientifically supported when they only exist on TV?
same question for 'real proof'..