Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Ilithi_Dragon** · 07-25-10, 12:00 PM

Well, many have speculated that it works like the Alcubierre Drive, and I think the person who originally proposed the concept may have been inspired by musings on the Trek warp drive, but there are things the warp drive does and does not do that make the Alcubierre Drive an unlikely candidate for explaining how warp drive works.

**Shogun** · 07-25-10, 12:36 PM

I don't know much about Trek so I can't really say.

**Dywyddyr** · 07-25-10, 12:49 PM

Originally (at least) Trek's warp drive was actually in real space as a real velocity.
The pilot episode (later chopped about and shown as The Cage IIRC) used the words "time warp factor [whatever]". The drive "reversed the ship in time while it accelerated in space" so as to negate time dilation effects.

I forget exactly where I saw this explanation, it may have been in Mr. SCott's Guide to the Enterprise but I'm no longer sure where my copy is...

And IIRC the Alcubierre Drive does posit a "space-time" bubble around the ship, isolating it from the rest of the universe (and that pesky gravity gradient fore and aft), that was listed as one of the (several) problems with operating/ building it. Once inside that bubble the ship would have no idea where it was going

**~~Saquist~~** · 07-25-10, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

I'm talking the Saucer Section as it was in ST: Generations, as it plummeted towards earth.

Ricerery and his cronies on SpaceBattles are trying to say it was "more aerodynamic" than a space marine that fell from a ship, and are claiming that the Space Marine underwent higher stresses than said saucer section upon impact... UGH what morons...

Hey Kitt...
Just checking in....

**Kittamaru** · 07-26-10, 07:35 AM

Sup saquist?

**Shogun** · 07-26-10, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

And IIRC the Alcubierre Drive does posit a "space-time" bubble around the ship, isolating it from the rest of the universe (and that pesky gravity gradient fore and aft), that was listed as one of the (several) problems with operating/ building it. Once inside that bubble the ship would have no idea where it was going

From my memory, the Alcubierre didn't have a bubble. I might have missed it or remembered wrong.

**Dywyddyr** · 07-26-10, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Shogun

From my memory, the Alcubierre didn't have a bubble. I might have missed it or remembered wrong.

The ship would ride this wave inside a region known as a warp bubble of flat space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
In fact the graphic usually shown to illustrate the drive shows a "bubble" (meh, okay "circle" on the graphic

) i.e. space-time is flat directly surrounding the ship, as flat as it is outside the gravitational distortions.

**Shogun** · 07-26-10, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
In fact the graphic usually shown to illustrate the drive shows a "bubble" (meh, okay "circle" on the graphic

) i.e. space-time is flat directly surrounding the ship, as flat as it is outside the gravitational distortions.

Ah okay, I was mistaken my bad.

**~~Saquist~~** · 08-02-10, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Sup saquist?

Just checking in on the old stompin ground.

**Kittamaru** · 08-02-10, 10:58 AM

ah, hehe. It's been quiet.

**~~Saquist~~** · 08-03-10, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

ah, hehe. It's been quiet.

Yeah, and the thread is the longest I've ever seen it.

**Kittamaru** · 08-04-10, 12:10 AM

I just posted this on space battles:

The Borg vs Anything of your choosing... however, the Borg get an upgrade:

They assimilate the X-Gene from X-Men, and now every Drone has a mutation (random mutations all stem from the same X-Gene) ranging from Class 2 to Class 4, with the Borg Queen as the only Class 5 mutant.

Who/what can withstand them now?

**Ilithi_Dragon** · 08-04-10, 06:58 AM

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There's a reason why Planet X is considered a scourge of the Star Trek novel franchise...

**Kittamaru** · 08-04-10, 11:46 AM

Lawl, I try hard to forget that...

**Ilithi_Dragon** · 08-04-10, 11:50 AM

Apparently not hard enough.... } ; = 8 P

**~~ricrery~~** · 08-04-10, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Ilithi_Dragon

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There's a reason why Planet X is considered a scourge of the Star Trek novel franchise...

Let me guess, the authors don't understand physics like the writers for the show?

**Hellblade8** · 08-04-10, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ricrery

Let me guess, the authors don't understand physics like the writers for the show?

No, because they wrote it like a shitty Star Wars novel.

No really though, it was just a bad book. Horrible fanfic crossover that somehow, for some reason, got published.

**Shogun** · 08-04-10, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

I just posted this on space battles:

The Borg vs Anything of your choosing... however, the Borg get an upgrade:

They assimilate the X-Gene from X-Men, and now every Drone has a mutation (random mutations all stem from the same X-Gene) ranging from Class 2 to Class 4, with the Borg Queen as the only Class 5 mutant.

Who/what can withstand them now?

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann time again........

**~~ricrery~~** · 08-04-10, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Shogun

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann time again........

Wrong. Xeelee could, though. They could kick almost any anime ass.

**Omega133** · 08-04-10, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

I just posted this on space battles:

The Borg vs Anything of your choosing... however, the Borg get an upgrade:

They assimilate the X-Gene from X-Men, and now every Drone has a mutation (random mutations all stem from the same X-Gene) ranging from Class 2 to Class 4, with the Borg Queen as the only Class 5 mutant.

Who/what can withstand them now?

Umm, how about the actual X-Men?

Gene Grey vs the entire collective. Game over man.