Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Sardonic Crisis]

Actually from what we know the Force exists everywhere. Even the Yuzhan vongs glalxy has it. Jedi just happen to go insane past the edge of the galaxy as there is so little life out there it is like bing in solitary confinement.

The problem is that the civilizations you are fighting aren't even part of your universe!!! In any event, even if the bene gesserits were infused with the force they would be potentially the most deadly users of it your galaxy has ever known.

[TW Scott]

The problem is that the civilizations you are fighting aren't even part of your universe!!! In any event, even if the bene gesserits were infused with the force they would be potentially the most deadly users of it your galaxy has ever known.

Actually no, as they would already be force users. Just drug dependant drug users with Generations of inbreeding. Remeber any feat Paul or Leto II has done Luke Skywalker has done more impressive versions.

[TW Scott]

Midichlorian-Force link. Remember that in SW it is very specific that ALL life has Midichlorians, even theYuuzhan Vong had them though were disconnected from the Force for a large part of their history. Also Elliot in ET had midichlorians as ET's race is from the SW glalaxy......

[Sardonic Crisis]

Actually no, as they would already be force users. Just drug dependant drug users with Generations of inbreeding. Remeber any feat Paul or Leto II has done Luke Skywalker has done more impressive versions.

Did Luke live to be over 3500 years old, did he have the ability to run so fast he was but a blur to others, did luke have the ability to see thousands of years into the future and shape the present to preserve humanity in the Dune universe? No, Luke was and will remain a pathetic little kid from tantoinne who whines a lot but just so happens to have been trained by cool jedi masters. Paul did not whine and they put his hand into a pain inducing box with the threat of a gom jabbar at his throat. Paul did not whine when he fled into the desert to flee the harkonnen/corrino treachery. He did not whine when he drank pure spice essence.... something that would kill luke if he tried it.

Midichlorian-Force link. Remember that in SW it is very specific that ALL life has Midichlorians, even theYuuzhan Vong had them though were disconnected from the Force for a large part of their history. Also Elliot in ET had midichlorians as ET's race is from the SW glalaxy......

ALL LIFE IN GEORGE LUCAS' UNIVERSE HAS THE FORCE AND MIDICHLORIANS NOT ANY OTHER UNIVERSE. THE FORCE IS FORFEIT IN OTHER UNIVERSES!!!!!!!!

[USS Athens]

Dude! SW canon does NOT, I say NOT overide ST canon!!!

Just because you can't accept the idea that you couldn't use you're "allmighty" force powers doesn't mean you can make up shit!

We've been over this before. Get used to it.

This f*cking shit about elliot having medichlorians is total bullshit! How hard is it to get through that thick skull of yours that you can't overide ST (or any other canon)?!?

[TW Scott]

Did Luke live to be over 3500 years old, did he have the ability to run so fast he was but a blur to others, did luke have the ability to see thousands of years into the future and shape the present to preserve humanity in the Dune universe? No, Luke was and will remain a pathetic little kid from tantoinne who whines a lot but just so happens to have been trained by cool jedi masters. Paul did not whine and they put his hand into a pain inducing box with the threat of a gom jabbar at his throat. Paul did not whine when he fled into the desert to flee the harkonnen/corrino treachery. He did not whine when he drank pure spice essence.... something that would kill luke if he tried it.

Actually Luke is immortal as a Force ghost. He indeed can see far intot he future. has moved so quickly nobody has seen him do it. Killed with a gesture. Broken minds with a thought, Enlarge a singularity to engulf a huge (by even Star Wars standards) ship. Walked on a lava lake and so on.

ALL LIFE IN GEORGE LUCAS' UNIVERSE HAS THE FORCE AND MIDICHLORIANS NOT ANY OTHER UNIVERSE. THE FORCE IS FORFEIT IN OTHER UNIVERSES!!!!!!!!

If Dune comes from Earth you are indeed screwed. Also since all of Dune is human and well all humans across the different universes are the same.......

[USS Athens]

All shields seems to block ST transporters, even relatively primative ones. Also Ion storms, sensor interference, radiation, dense materials and plethora of other factoers. In fact the list goes on and on. Seeing as how SW shields are superior in everyway as demonstrated by canon information, I see little that says SW shields would not block Transporters.

You say, but we've gone over the info many, many times. ST sheilds are superior in almost every way. Sorry Tee-dubya.

And there is nowhere that says SW shields CAN block ST transporters.

[TW Scott]

Dude! SW canon does NOT, I say NOT overide ST canon!!!

Just because you can't accept the idea that you couldn't use you're "allmighty" force powers doesn't mean you can make up shit!

We've been over this before. Get used to it.

This f*cking shit about elliot having medichlorians is total bullshit! How hard is it to get through that thick skull of yours that you can't overide ST (or any other canon)?!?

Where in ST canon has it said that people don't have midichlorians? Of course since the force works on objects that do not have midichlorians the lack of any outside of SW means absolutely nothing.

However since ST is from Earth and ET is from SW Galaxy and the Federations homeworld is Earth then i guess your just hownling becuase you can sense the reaming that is coming.

[USS Athens]

Where in ST canon has it said that people don't have midichlorians? Of course since the force works on objects that do not have midichlorians the lack of any outside of SW means absolutely nothing.

However since ST is from Earth and ET is from SW Galaxy and the Federations homeworld is Earth then i guess your just hownling becuase you can sense the reaming that is coming.

Dude you are fucking stupid, the only reason you're resorting to this bullshit is because YOU sense the end is near!

[TW Scott]

You say, but we've gone over the info many, many times. ST sheilds are superior in almost every way. Sorry Tee-dubya.

You have provided no evidence to support your claims. in fact all evidence avaialble form canon points to ST shiedls being inferior in every way and method of measurement. We can go over it again if you wish. First you should present your argument. If I were you I would use only canon ST information. You can DL many scripts.

And there is nowhere that says SW shields CAN block ST transporters.

Since any sufficent energy field seems to be enough to block transporters the burden is on you.

[TW Scott]

Dude you are fucking stupid, the only reason you're resorting to this bullshit is because YOU sense the end is near!

I'm not resorting to anything actually. SW has won on every level so far and in some places by such a margin that ST has not even been a nuissance. I am just trying to point out that i am merely stating that you can make no claims that the Force cannot enter the battle without some measure of proof. You have no proof that the Force does not exist in the ST or Dune universe, especially when similiar powers exist in both.

[USS Athens]

You have provided no evidence to support your claims. in fact all evidence avaialble form canon points to ST shiedls being inferior in every way and method of measurement. We can go over it again if you wish. First you should present your argument. If I were you I would use only canon ST information. You can DL many scripts.



Since any sufficent energy field seems to be enough to block transporters the burden is on you.

Firepower ratings:

True, but all of their weapons are not nearly as powerful as UFP weapons. Lets see, in The Die is cast, we saw that in four seconds, they obliterated 30% of the planetary crust. Now, this was a rapid fire strike, each ship firing multiple of shots. Now, assuming that in this case, each ship would need twice as long to reload for another barrage, that would give us 8+4=12. Now we take 30/20=1.5 and then we do 100/1.5= 66.6 and do 66.6*12= 800 seconds, or 13.33 minutes.

So in about 14 minutes give or take, a UFP ship can do what it takes the Empire an hour to do, with a vastly larger ship than the Defiant. This would make a UFP ship 7.142857143 times stronger than an Imperial one. Although, it might acutally be higher given that the Cardassian ships are much weaker than other ships, so the damage was likely 3% Romulan Warbirds, and .5% Cardassian warships. If you don't believe me, then watch DS9, the UFP fighters deal heavy damage to their ships.

So it would likely be about 6.66 minutes, or seven minutes (rounding), making UFP ships about 8.571428571 times stronger than Imperial ships.

If federation ships can stand up to that kind of punishment (via shields), it's obvious that fed shields are stronger than SW ones.

[USS Athens]

I'm not resorting to anything actually. SW has won on every level so far and in some places by such a margin that ST has not even been a nuissance. I am just trying to point out that i am merely stating that you can make no claims that the Force cannot enter the battle without some measure of proof. You have no proof that the Force does not exist in the ST or Dune universe, especially when similiar powers exist in both.

You simply just don't get it TW, I pity you.

[Kittamaru]

Yes they can, when they are firing at full power. Centerpoint's gravitational fields are many times more powerful then a blackhole, scince it can't destroy a star system in a second. When did they ever fly into a blackhole?

No, you can't. If you were to try such a thing, you would destroy the very FABRIC of the universe and thus cause a chain reaction liable to destroy not just your target, but EVERYTHING.

Before that would happen, though, the gravitational collapse would simply form a black hole.

Voyager - they've been in black holes at least twice.
TNG - I think they flew into one once

[Kittamaru]

1) They will find out, they can have spies in the Federation
2) They can use Centerpoint, it is operational for a long time
3) They never demonstrated that ability, plus it is many times more powerful then a blackhole
4) No Star Trek shielding is terrible, even the Falcon flown into a blackhole cluster
5) Star Trek firepower is terrible compared to Star Wars

Uhm... how can they have spies in the Federation... if they don't know WHERE the Federation is?

2) Aighty, but still the black hole problem

3) Voyager- they've flown into black holes at LEAST twice!

4) Uh, so? Voyager flew into, and then back OUT OF the EVENT HORIZON of a black hole!

5) Prove it... we've already proven otherwise via MULTIPLE math proofs...

[Kittamaru]

Again never demonstrated it, Star Trek can barly surrive in a neutron star. Centerpoint is more powerful then a blackhole

When, pray tell, did a Neutron Star give a Federation starship cause for concern? Voyager flew INTO and back OUT OF a black hole... come ON man

They never did, Voyager surrived with the help of a Q. There is no other demonstrations of that ability.

Yeah, and the Ent-D did it on it's own... oh, and with only like, 30% shields. Hell, klingon Bird of Preys have had DOGFIGHTS mere meters above the liquid core of a star...

Again, they are also plasma weapons.

And...? They'd still have no effect

Not even close of 700. Anyways, they don't often use missiles.



No, but I do see your lying problem, is worse then what you described of TW Scott by a hundred times.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have YET to lie. I have given out facts to the best of my knowledge that you seem unable to either accept or comprehend. Watch Voyager... watch TOS... for gods sake, the ORIGINAL Enterprise could VAPORIZE THE ATMOSPHERE OF AN ENTIRE CLASS M PLANET in one shot of it's phaser banks! Considering a Sovereign class is something akin to 400 times as powerful as an old Constitution class... yeah.

[Kittamaru]

They can detect cloak, they will fire Ion Cannons everywhere, so when it hits, it ship is disabled.

Uh, no.

Ion cannons would not disable a Federation ship... sorry.

Reason? They don't USE copper wires to conduct electricity...

Do you know why an Ion Cannon works? It's like an EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse. When it hits, it, literally, overloads the circuitry of the ship. However, in Star Trek, they use plasma conduits and bio-neural gel packs to control the ship... no piss poor EMP could bother that.

Not to mention that it's already been stated, back in TOS no less, than an EMP is USELESS against a ship with it's shields up thanks to the EM band of the shielding...

Try again

[Kittamaru]

Because the New Republic don't have it.


They are not expensive, the sensor is. It is not huge. The only problem is you can't detect anything outside the cloak field for the ship using the cloak and everyship inside the field

Nice...

Trek ships can, as of Nemesis, fire THRU their cloaking field... which infers target, lock, and still have the power to spare to keep shields and weapons online.

[Kittamaru]

Millions of credits isn't alot. A Star Destroyer is only 1.7 Billion credits. Besides Battle Meditation can detect the exact spot of every ship. So when you have a force sensitive on your tail, even cloak won't work. And even Battle Meld can detect it.

No it won't...

No Midochlorians in the Trek universe... thus all the people in Star Trek would be 100% invisible to force probes...

[Kittamaru]

There is a reason you hadn't thought of it. The word is Shielding. You have to get past the shielding. Which is incredibly unlikely given the dual layers of shields and the intensity of said shields on SW vessels. Other factors to consider are the density of materials, sensors jamming, internal shielding, distortions around the hyperdrive....and so on.

If it was so easy to beam out sections of an enemy ship it would be done by everyone in ST.

Too bad Trek transporters can beam thru gaps less than 12 inches across... and your SHIELDS have gaps large enough to let goddamn freighters thru.

GG QQSoft you FAIL