Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

You are forgetting Vulcan, Zinthi, Cardassians, and of course Q

Unless you are going as they normally act

In which case, why are the Rebels, Vong, and Empire working together?

[TW Scott]

the 3 holograms indicate that 3 officers are making raports at the time, nothing else. besides when we started this argument there were claims that this task force was biger. it apears there is no concensus on its size even with the SW fans. and how could the rest of the ISDs take care of the rebel transports if the yare allready away, t.i. entered hyperspace?

Actually in the original scene, the one Lucas put in the directors editon there are many more captains reporting.

[Kittamaru]

Oh, and don't forget about the Travelers and other, non-humanoid beings

[TW Scott]

You are forgetting Vulcan, Zinthi, Cardassians, and of course Q

Unless you are going as they normally act

In which case, why are the Rebels, Vong, and Empire working together?

Q would not enter a fight, it violates their entire concept. They simply do not takes sides in a conflict.

As for Empire, Vong and Rebellion working together, they have done so before and will do so again. It is not out of their philosophy to set aside their grudges and work together.

[Kittamaru]

I have NEVER read a book where the vong work with ANYONE, even when their EXISTANCE depended upon it! Maybe a few of them, but they were not your average Vong... but the race as a whole? Never!

And if we're doing full universe vs full universe, the Q are ASSUMED to be fighting too. Thus, Trek wins by Default.

If we wish to leave the Q out of it, fine... but then realize that Trek would win if it came down to it

[TW Scott]

Oh, and don't forget about the Travelers and other, non-humanoid beings

none of which has taken even a slight notice to the goings on of the humans when it comes to war. they are simply not a variable. Save for the Organians there has not been an advanced race that has interfered in a war. Of note the Organians seem to only interfere when the fighting is in their system.

[antaran_1979]

so very true dude
just everything in Star Wars kicks ass

but not other technologicaly advanced races....or big rocks :P

[Hellblade8]

Here is a tactic for Republic an CIS taking over Earth and Vulcan

Here's the Federation's answer.

They send a fleet of UFP fighters with ten year old children, and have them pilot into the shuttle bays, and drop CIS shields from there...oh, wait I forgot that the UFP isn't tactically incompetent.

WEll, here we go.

First, they send 10 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter, 100 Frigates and 50 Dreadnaughts as distraction, and to neutrilze Earth Spacedock.

Do you mind telling me what all that shit means? And then prove that it exists

Then they send 2 CIS fleets and 2 Republic fleets to Vulcan to draw the rest of the Starfleet there.

First of all, how is the Empire going to FIND Vulcan? They've never been there before.

Then the send 2 Republic and 2 CIS fleets to every founder world of the UFP, then the Starfleet will sparate to protect all the worlds.

Isn't that what you just said? The Vulcans and the Humans were the founding members.

Then they send one fleet to each Starbase, to again sparate the Starfleet.

Wow, it really is nice of the Federation to hand over a map full of starbases, and other tactically important positions.

Then they send 4 Republic fleets and 4 CIS fleets, and 50 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter to Deep Space 9 and destroy it.

Assuming this would actually work, you do realize that you'd just make way for a Dominion invasion force right? You know, the people with star busting bombs, and disregard to life?

Then they send 200 CIS Crusiers and 100 Ventors to Earth and 1000 Dreadnaughts to Vulcan. And the rest divide and attack all the founder worlds. By the time that happened, the Starfleet will be taking too much casuilties , and the half Starbases will be destroyed .The Republic and CIS's distaction ships will be taking casulties too. Then the Republic and CIS regroup and only attack the founder worlds only. Then they regroup again for an final assult on Earth, after Earth is occupied and they go conqure Vulcan.

First of all, the Republic never did this in the movies, or even the TV shows. Second of all, they have no idea where they're going. The Federation is not going to give them the key weakpoints of their nation. That's retarded, and you're either tactically incompetent, or delusional if you think that this idea would even work. Federation firepower is superior to SW firepower, by spreading yourself out, you'd just be making the Republic into a menace, not a threat. Their best bet would be to bunch together and gain a foothold into the Alpha/Beta Quadrant, that way the UFP won't take the wormhole and mine it like they did in the Bajoran system.

[Hellblade8]

but not other technologicaly advanced races....or big rocks :P

Earth's perfect defense; the asteroid belt.

[antaran_1979]

Faster-then-light travle: Star Wars wins, because Hyperdrive is alot faster then Warp.

Weapons: Star Wars have centerpoint that can destory a star half a galaxy away.

FTL, SW wins (present situation)
Weapons, ST wins (present situation)

proof (SW1,2,3,4,5,6) (ST,STTNG,STDS9,STV,STE,ST1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)

[Kittamaru]

none of which has taken even a slight notice to the goings on of the humans when it comes to war. they are simply not a variable. Save for the Organians there has not been an advanced race that has interfered in a war. Of note the Organians seem to only interfere when the fighting is in their system.

Oh ffs...

It's UNIVERSE vs UNIVERSE... Period! THEY ALL FIGHT!

[TW Scott]

I have NEVER read a book where the vong work with ANYONE, even when their EXISTANCE depended upon it! Maybe a few of them, but they were not your average Vong... but the race as a whole? Never!

Actually they have, and in the final part of the Vong war they are at peace with the Alliance becuase of the actions made on their behalf to again link them with a world. But the Vong have actually used other races as spies and agents. They were not out to kill the whole galaxy, just erase technology and eventually they even gave that up.

And if we're doing full universe vs full universe, the Q are ASSUMED to be fighting too. Thus, Trek wins by Default.

Actually since they are in same universe you have to prove Q would intercede in a war. It's never happened before and from what Q has explained of their view of things they would NEVER intercede. it's agains their very nature. Also i would note to you that Q like Species 8472 are from other universes.

Even if Q was in the fight they are not omnipotent or omniscient. They have displayed no ability that cannot be duplicated technologically. They are basically a hyper adanced race much like Vorlons or Shadows. Star Wars also has such beings and artifacts, including one that could destroy the universe itslef if unleashed.

If we wish to leave the Q out of it, fine... but then realize that Trek would win if it came down to it

Are you kidding? Star Trek is out numbered, out powered, out paced and simply out of luck. yeah tey might be the "good guys" but that accounts for exactly nothing in the end.

[antaran_1979]

Why don't they fight in futher ranges in Defence of Earth from the Borg, or other battles. Why don't Voyager do that to the borgs? Hyperspace is much faster.

because Borg dictate the teerms of engagement.

[Kittamaru]

You have yet to prove:

Overpowered
Out paces
Out of Luck

Our calculations have, multiple times, put the average HTL blast at FAR below the average Shuttlecraft phaser bank...

And tell me the books that the Vong have worked with the Empire or Alliance in... Id' like to read those.

[TW Scott]

FTL, SW wins (present situation)
Weapons, ST wins (present situation)

proof (SW1,2,3,4,5,6) (ST,STTNG,STDS9,STV,STE,ST1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)

There is no weapon in Star Trek that out performs it's counterpart in Star Wars. in fact they all seem inferior.

Hand Phasers=Good against flesh and organics as well as rocks. Cannot shoot through packing crates.
Blaster Pistols=Blow a how through people. Blow massive chunks out of hardedned concrete walls. Pierce protective armor. Tear chucnks out of dura-armor hulls.

[Kittamaru]

Also, Scott - it's ALL of Trek vs ALL of Wars

OR

Each race acting as they normally would in Present Day

That would seriously screw over Star Wars as, at the end of the highest cannon you guys have, most of Wars hates the Empire, the Empire is failing, the Alliance is in distress from lack of resources, and half the rest of the races don't even exist.

[Kittamaru]

There is no weapon in Star Trek that out performs it's counterpart in Star Wars. in fact they all seem inferior.

Hand Phasers=Good against flesh and organics as well as rocks. Cannot shoot through packing crates.
Blaster Pistols=Blow a how through people. Blow massive chunks out of hardedned concrete walls. Pierce protective armor. Tear chucnks out of dura-armor hulls.

Hand Phasers - Vaporize a 10x10 section of wall at setting 13 without disturbing nearby rock AFTER a volitile cave collapsed (thus the integrity of the area is already low)

Blaster Pistols - cannot penetrate trees, supposedly defeated by a type of stormtrooper armor that is cracked by rocks...

All you've done is show how weak dura-armor and protective armor you guys have is... considering ROCKS did just as much damage!

[antaran_1979]

It can fire all it's missiles at Defiant in a long range, then next wave they fire Sesmic Charges, third wave they fire Long-range turbolasers, fourth wave, they send the Dreadgaunts, fifth wave, the SSD's heavy turbolaser is in range, fifth wave they fire the Ion Cannons, sixth wave, they send Eclips ( It have Superlasers ). By the time second wave ended Defiant will be exterminated. My stratagy can destroy 1700 Star Trek ships no problem.

Fett's ship was the only case of SCs being used. if they were widely available, or tacticaly usefull the military would have used them. and they don't. even in the asteroid field.

[TW Scott]

You have yet to prove:

Overpowered
Out paces
Out of Luck

Our calculations have, multiple times, put the average HTL blast at FAR below the average Shuttlecraft phaser bank...

And tell me the books that the Vong have worked with the Empire or Alliance in... Id' like to read those.

LOL and your calculations have ignored the canon of both series. WE never see an HTL used in all six movies. So the ICS book stands at 12.5 gigatons. We have seen asteroid impacts on shields in several scenes. We have seen light cannons vaporize massive asteroids of nickel-iron. What more do you need?

Hyperdrive allows a vessel to travel from one end of a larger glalaxy to the other within hours to days.

They have worked with indivicduals and groups like the peace brigade. There was also the Hive Crisis. the Vong have shown the ability to at least make allies.

[Kittamaru]

So then you are saying Skyalker and half the OTHER Wars fans on this site are wrong and you alone are right.

Man, complex much?