It takes a village to raise a child..

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Absolutely yes.

 

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The needs of the child and the safety of the child should be priority number one.

They saw trouble coming, they stuck their heads in the sand, culpable to some degree.

 

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You've raised a very interesting point if only by the title of the thread ..."It Takes a Village to Raise a Child".

So, ...does that mean that the entire village should be held responsible for the death of the little girl? And if so, to what extent? I'd guess that almost everyone in the village knew about the abuse, even if they only knew about the drugs and the neglect. And remember, no punishment of anyone is going to bring the little girl back to life.

I don't know ... Are we to be our brother's keeper?

Baron Max

PS- just remember, that post was me trying to be a nice guy. The real Baron Max would just take all of them out behind the barn and shot 'em ....and be done with them. People like that have no place in society ...get rid of them, don't punish them, just get rid of them.

 

Bells, the problem here is a big dilemma in any and all nations/villages that profess "freedoms". The cops have this dilemma shoved into their faces ten times or more a day ...and they can't do anything about it, or if they do, they and the city gets sued for "infringing on citizen's rights". And it's not just the cops, it's social workers, advocates of the homeless, addiction clinics, ..., and a whole slew of such people. In their hearts, they know what's going on is wrong, but legally, they can do nothing ....without infringing on the "rights" of others.

Justice? C'mon, Bells, as an attorney, you should know that that's really just a word that people throw around so as to sound ....intelligent.

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I still go with my gut feelings .....shot 'em and let God sort 'em out later.

Baron Max

 

Could family members not be charged with accessory to murder?

 

at the very least, child endangerment.

 

Its a very common sight in India for neighbors to get involved in any incident. Any kind of untoward or extraordinary happening just needs a loud voice or a shout and the neighbors will be banging on the door to know whats going on. I remember many instances from my childhood. I also remember that if anyone we knew was having family issues, there would be a large gathering of people who would sit and discuss what should be done. I don't recall anyone ever calling the cops. Physical abuse, emotional abuse, neglect were issues that all the old chins would mull over and decide what the best course is for the child.

Even instances like a woman suffering a difficult pregnancy or a difficult time with in-laws and sometimes sexual matters (behind closed doors and in hushed voices, unfortunately) were discussed in deep depth over endless cups of tea. Ponits of view were offered, chores distributed, meals arranged, babysitting organised. I don't know how much it helped, but having that kind of support system itself must have been a tremendous advantage. Sadly, with the nuclearisation of family today, such chai time discussions are becoming a thing of the past.

 

Sure, probably. But then ...how many other people knew what was going on in that house? How many others suspected something like that? Should we charge them all? And if not, why charge some people, but not the others?

See? It's not so simple ....unless we do it my way; Take those who lived in the house and knew what was going on and shoot 'em. No society needs people like in their midst. And if we start shooting such people, pretty soon everyone will be a little nicer to their kids, don'tcha' think? And we might save lots of little kids by just killing a few nasty people that no one wants anyway. Shoot 'em, let God sort it out.

We continually throw up too many "grey areas" instead of just fixing the problems. Too many homeless people? Shoot 'em, don't invent silly-assed "grey areas" of philosophical discussions about "rights" and all that bullshit. Just shoot 'em and let God sort it out later.

Baron Max

 

I don't know how many others knew. Considering she wasn't in school or went to a daycare, I'm gonna guess not many.

 

They should go to jail for doing nothing when they could have alerted someone and helped the child.

 

Why? So they can get out of prison and do the same thing to some other little kid somewhere else?

Why do we want to protect people like that? Why does any society on Earth want people like that in their midst, in prison or otherwise?

Shoot 'em and be done with it. And the next person who thinks about hurting a child, they might think twice ...knowing they might get shot!

Why do we, as a society, put up with that kind of people? Why? Do we just want to keep reading about other little kids who are hurt or killed?

Baron Max

 

I recall a discussion among the local members of the social welfare committee - the official state organization that oversees welfare families and child abuse/neglect situations in the area - over whether to allow a local welfare mother to keep her children.

The most damning evidence against her was that she lived in a small house - the three chidren had to share a bedroom - and had no television. The lack of a TV particularly disturbed the committee.

So it cuts both ways. If the natural or informal community is lost, official agencies make poor substitutes.

 

So really, what's happening on this thread is exactly what happens in real life, right? We complain about the abusiveness and death of the child, but we're not willing to do anything to stop it ...because of some misguided ideal of rights and freedoms?

And so we'll talk about this until it's forgotten ...and still do nothing ...until the next little kid is killed. Then we'll start to talking again, the complaining again, but ...just like before, we'll do nothing to stop the abusiveness and deaths.

When this thread has died a forgotten death, let's try to remember it when, in a week or so, someone else posts an very similar thread about a different little kid that was killed. ....and we'll do nothing but talk and condemn, with no action at all ...just like in our society.

The freedoms and civil rights of the parents trumps the abuse and death of a little kid.

Baron Max

 

Ideally, I think they should.

But -
(1) The girl would probably have been taken away from them and placed who knows where, perhaps even worse things would happen there to her.
(2) The whole family would be branded and face a lot of trouble - with the Law, with employment, with other people.

I suspect the family members have taken this into account, and assessed that it was still better if they try to fix things on their own.

Also other people who knew about this family's situation have probably taken the above points into account. They didn't want to get into trouble (such as facing revenge or charges for not reporting it sooner), nor did they want to be responsible to get anyone else into trouble.

I think people tend to be very risk-averse nowadays. There is no easy solution to this.