Iraq Veterans vulnerable to commit suicide

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 01:54 PM

Yeah anything but the war the US imposed on her. Maybe she spontaneously burst into flames.

**Buffalo Roam** · 11-27-07, 01:56 PM

And if the North Communist had not come south, there would have been no war either.

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam

And if the North Communist had not come south, there would have been no war either.

Might have thought of that before funding Ho Chi Minh, then reversing positions on him; boy that record has a deep groove, does it not?.

**countezero** · 11-27-07, 02:12 PM

When did the US fund Ho Chi Minh? Do you have a source for that? Everything I have read shows Kennedy and the CIA backing the corrupt governments in the South from Day One.

Also, you are aware that your nation's buddies, the USSR, was providing pilots to the NVA and intelligence?

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by countezero

When did the US fund Ho Chi Minh? Do you have a source for that? Everything I have read shows Kennedy and the CIA backing the corrupt governments in the South from Day One.

Also, you are aware that your nation's buddies, the USSR, was providing pilots to the NVA and intelligence?

I guess you don't know of Ho Chi Minh reciting the US declaration of independence with his US buddies by his side? Right before they stabbed him in the back, that is.

**quadraphonics** · 11-27-07, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Yeah anything but the war the US imposed on her. Maybe she spontaneously burst into flames.

Aren't you forgetting about France, China and the North Vietnamese? After all, the only reason airstrikes were ordered on the village in the first place is that it was being overrun by the NVA.

**spidergoat** · 11-27-07, 02:16 PM

Vietnam again?

**~~John99~~** · 11-27-07, 02:23 PM

Ever single nation the U.S is forced to interact with become better. And Cuba would be a paradise right now.

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by John99

Ever single nation the U.S is forced to interact with become better. And Cuba would be a paradise right now.

Iraq and Afghanistan shaping up to become the next popular tourist resorts.

**~~John99~~** · 11-27-07, 02:27 PM

If you lived there you would hope so.

**~~John99~~** · 11-27-07, 02:30 PM

Frankly, i am more concerned with people starving to death (RIGHT NOW) and not evil commies (that fraud killed itself) taking over the world.

http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/en.../ind/index.htm

NO CHILD SHOULD GO HUNGRY. EVER.

170 million of them are poor

**quadraphonics** · 11-27-07, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Iraq and Afghanistan shaping up to become the next popular tourist resorts.

Actually, Afghanistan has seen a notable boost in tourism recently.

And Vietnam is very much a popular tourist destination these days.

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by quadraphonics

Actually, Afghanistan has seen a notable boost in tourism recently.

And Vietnam is very much a popular tourist destination these days.

Have they both expressed undying gratitude for their liberation to the US?

Surviving inspite of is very different from enabling. India is a tourist destination too and so are Native American reservations. Even the camps at Aushwitz pull in a lot of people with a fascination for history. Shall we thank the Nazis?

The assumption that the survival of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan (or Vietnam) somehow justifies their invasion and murder for ideological or made up reasons is a specious argument. Is that what they say to the veterans?

**Buffalo Roam** · 11-27-07, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Might have thought of that before funding Ho Chi Minh, then reversing positions on him; boy that record has a deep groove, does it not?.

Remember the French? we had treaties with them to, and who was Ho Chi Min? at that time?

Russian weapons, Chinese weapons, invasion from the North of Regular Troops, the idea that this was a civil war was ridiculous, the V.C. ceased to exist after Tet of 68, and after that it was regulars from the North prosecuting the war.

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam

Remember the French? we had treaties with them to, and who was Ho Chi Min? at that time?

Russian weapons, Chinese weapons, invasion from the North of Regular Troops, the idea that this was a civil war was ridiculous, the V.C. ceased to exist after Tet of 68, and after that it was regulars from the North prosecuting the war.

Yup, thats racism for you. Liberating the Viets from the Chinese was fine, but France must be allowed her colonies. And all chinks are pawns in a cold war, but when the Americans depend upon the Chinese for their economy, then ideology goes down the tubes.

**quadraphonics** · 11-27-07, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Have they both expressed undying gratitude for their liberation to the US?

Surviving inspite of is very different from enabling. India is a tourist destination too and so are Native American reservations. Even the camps at Aushwitz pull in a lot of people with a fascination for history. Shall we thank the Nazis?

The assumption that the survival of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan (or Vietnam) somehow justifies their invasion and murder for ideological or made up reasons is a specious argument. Is that what they say to the veterans?

Wow, that sure came out of left field. Speaking of specious arguments, what does any of this have to do with anything? You're really all over the place today, even for you...

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by quadraphonics

Wow, that sure came out of left field. Speaking of specious arguments, what does any of this have to do with anything? You're really all over the place today, even for you...

All of this goes to show that the BS does not work on veterans, hence the high suicide rates.

**~~John99~~** · 11-27-07, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

And all chinks are pawns in a cold war,

Reported.

**quadraphonics** · 11-27-07, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Liberating the Viets from the Chinese was fine, but France must be allowed her colonies.

No, America was generally very disapproving of European colonialism (you may recall this conflict known as the American Revolution, and another called the Spanish American War??). Vietnam was one of a handful of exceptions to a long-standing policy of opposition to colonialism, motivated entirely by early-Cold War hysteria over the spread of Communism. One which we've had ample time to regret.

Originally Posted by S.A.M.

And all chinks are pawns in a cold war, but when the Americans depend upon the Chinese for their economy, then ideology goes down the tubes.

Man, that's such a wildly inaccurate characterization of history that it's almost funny. The brazenness with which you pull unsupported narratives out of thin air to suit your momentary positions is somewhat impressive, even if the resulting rhetoric is not.

**S.A.M.** · 11-27-07, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by quadraphonics

No, America was generally very disapproving of European colonialism (you may recall this conflict known as the American Revolution, and another called the Spanish American War??). Vietnam was one of a handful of exceptions to a long-standing policy of opposition to colonialism, motivated entirely by early-Cold War hysteria over the spread of Communism. One which we've had ample time to regret.

Man, that's such a wildly inaccurate characterization of history that it's almost funny. The brazenness with which you pull unsupported narratives out of thin air to suit your momentary positions is somewhat impressive, even if the resulting rhetoric is not.

Hmm so you're saying the hysteria over communism justified the Vietnam war? Or are you just not saying anything at all?

And Vietnam was not an exception. Or is the Phillipines consigned to the dust? It did gain independence in 1946.