10-24-07, 05:35 PM #1
So, why aren't extremist Christian fundamentalists on the same black list of Hate Groups that the KKK, Black Panther Party and others are on? After all, they do the same thing, spread hate in attempt to deny the rights of certain groups in our society... including women, and African-Americans. As far as I'm concerned, these organizations are just as bad as the Taliban.
Some of the groups I am referring to...
Westborough Baptist Church
Christian Broadcasting Network
Quote: “You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist.”
Quote: “[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.”
Quote: “The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.”
Quote: “I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period.”
Quote: “Schools should not deprive children of their free-exercise-of-religion rights, or impose on children courses in explicit sex or alternate lifestyles, profane or immoral fiction or videos, New Age practices, anti-Biblical materials, or ‘Politically Correct’ liberal attitudes about social and economic issues.”
Rev. Jerry Falwell
Quote: “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'”- In regard to the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York City.
Quote: “AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.”
Quote: “AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
Focus on the Family
Dr. James Dobson
Quote: “Co-educational sex education sheds children, girls especially, of natural modesty.”
Quote: “Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world.”
Quote: “State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse.”
Quote: “Today's children... They're damned. They're gone.”
John W. Whitehead
Quote: “God’s plan for marriage works, whether you’re a man or a woman. And while modern society may try to convince us that alternative plans are just as good, solid research proves that the healthiest option is the God-sanctioned union of one man and one woman for life.”
Note: Prior to representing Paula Jones in her lawsuit against President Bill Clinton the organization was known for accepting cases in opposition to abortion and homosexuality. Many believe that John Whitehead saw Paula Jones as an opportunity to take down the President. And while Jone's case was dismissed, the many discredited allegations made against President Clinton lead to Monica Lewinsky and the subsequent impeachment of the President in the House of Representatives.
Traditional Values Coalition
Rev. Louis Sheldon
Quote: “... many psychotherapists who are Christian ... say once you enter into that [homosexual] lifestyle ... once you enter into the culture, into the music, into the gay bars, into the gay literature, into the gay theater ... and gay travel ... you have really put yourself into a groove that only a sort of an exorcism can release you from.”
10-24-07, 05:37 PM #2
That's right. If anything is "hate speech" it's that.
10-24-07, 06:48 PM #3
10-24-07, 06:56 PM #4
People are free to hate anyone or any group that they want, they just can't advocate violence or harm ...on this Earth.
10-24-07, 07:23 PM #5
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10-24-07, 07:41 PM #9
Look Baron, if you really want to stand up and try to justify and defend these kind of organizations and the hatred that they preach, which charge people with anger, the same people that murder gays and bomb abortion clinics, then go right ahead. That makes you no better than them.
10-24-07, 07:47 PM #10
I personally know evangelical Christian fundamentalists - I have never heard them call for a violent act to be committed against someone. There is some over all tone in the NT Bible that does restrain most monotheistic people (who are a little whacked in the head) from personally harming someone. Instead they usually pray to Jesus really really really hard! , I'd say this is unlike the Qur'an and Qur'anic tradition - they can be and are quite easily interpreted to justifying the murder of non beleivers.
Anyway, usually fundy Xains are restrained from actually physically harming someone. Usually - not always.
10-24-07, 07:48 PM #11
10-24-07, 08:24 PM #12
A friend of mine is a Baptist minister and he is married and has 2 wonderful children. He preaches nothing against any group of people and when we talk he doesn't care if there are gays or not. I'm not saying that all ministers are as tolerant as he is but I'm certain that he is one who would only try to help not hinder those of different persuasions or whatever. His congregation is made up of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laosion refugees.
10-24-07, 08:24 PM #13
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10-24-07, 08:36 PM #15
As for why such groups aren't prosecuted for hate speech, it's because the 1st ammendment provides certain protections to religion above and and beyond what other organizations are given. It is a necessary protection given that religions often are offensive to members of other religions.
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Last edited by Thoreau; 10-24-07 at 09:06 PM.
10-24-07, 09:07 PM #19Originally Posted by MZ3Boy84
Creepy, but keep an eye and ear out for that one. It's kind of scary how deeply that sentiment runs.
10-24-07, 09:09 PM #20
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