This appears about to get very ugly very quickly .... America sanctioned Israels attack on Lebanon last year to retrieve its 2 soldiers from Hezbollah , so the US should have no problem in helping its NATO Ally Turkey in kind here . Sorry Kurds you are about to get a dose of " Your on your own " from America here . America will not lift a finger to protect you in the advent of a Turkish onslaught . Hopefully Americas backstabbing will make the Kurds join the Iraqi Liberation Army's struggle against the US .
If the Kurds fight against the US they will die faster than if they fight against Turkey. Face it, Turkey wants Kurd land and we all know the big kid on the block makes the rules...
and the big kid on the block is Turkey? and not US? Oh and how hilarious it is for Turkey to denounde massacre to kurdistan people and armenians...and than right on go and kill some more.
You know, the US is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. If we interfear in the affairs of Turkey, we're meddling in YET another country and if we ignore what Turkey does, then we're aiding and abetting genocide. You know what? Humans aren't going anywhere. It may sound harsh, but I'm not worried about the Kurds. It's time that the USA got out of the business of moralizing the world and just started taking care of its strategic needs (starting with an exit from the Middle East). If Turkey wants to be nasty to its people, well then, that's for Europe to deal with. As far as we're concerned, the Turks have been good allies and we need to ensure that it stays that way. ~String
So you think allowing Turkey to potentially destabilize northern Iraq, will help a U.S exit strategy?
Could it be any worse than it is now? And, if the US was smart, it would have split the northern portion of Iraq apart and given it to the Kurds to form a homeland. That would have made a whole lot more sense than what's going on now. Turkey can take care itself. ~String
It is funny that you blame Turkey for destabilizing Northern Iraq, me I would blame the PKK, they are the ones who continue the war, make cross border raids and put the stability of the area in jeopardy.
Saddam pretty regularly laid the smackdown on the Kurds when they began to get uppity. You remember, all of the business about how he "Used WMD on his own people"? So Saddam's massacres of the Kurds were one of the stated reasons for the burning need to invade and depose him. But we've been allowing the Turks to fly into Iraqi airspace and bomb them since the mid 90's. One would have had to be a fool to ever have believed that any of this was done for the benefit of any of the people of Iraq. This just makes it that much more obvious.
The US is fighting a war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran. With Turkey as one of a few allies the US has in the region, it is a big player. With Kurds picking fights what should they expect? Besides, if Turkey takes over northern Iraq then the US won't have to pacify that area anymore. It won't be our problem...
Sorry to have to point something out to you String but that wouldn't have stopped this, the PKK wants parts of Turkey too, they insist on a Kurdish homeland, but things seems to be falling apart, the PKK support among the Kurds on both side of the border has fallen, and there are only about 1500 PKK fighters left, the People want peace and the prosperity that goes with it, and don't want Communism. In 1992 Turkey was in the midst of a war with the PKK, whose forces were credibly estimated to be 10,000 strong. By the summer of 1999, however, senior officers of the Turkish military and militarized police estimated the PKK's total strength inside Turkey at 1,500 and declining rapidly. The simple answer is that the degree of PKK support is a matter of definition. While some Kurdish clans actively backed Ocalan's party, others rejected it and joined the government's efforts to combat it. Clearly, then, the widespread impression of the PKK as a grassroots movement with broad popular support is becoming obsolete. Marxism, not Kurdish nationalism, has always defined the PKK. Given that the founders of the PKK included ethnic Turks as well as Kurds, their common interest was never based on ethnicity. This is why Foley is in Love with the PKK, it's a Communist Front Originization, and claims that the U.S. is selling out the Kurds, but as Paul Harvey says now the rest of the story. So the U.S. isn't selling out the Kurds, it just isn't supporting the PKK.
Question: Where the hell are they getting they're arms ? these rebels.. Maybe the US can copy was Israel did with HAMAS.. FUND Them..
Hang on, Didn't US invade Iraq to protect the kurds ? Something about liberating the people of Iraq ? By the same token this could be seen as a reward to turkey for its silence on Iraq.
So have the Kurds. I agree it's a shit situation. I think Turkey has a right to strike back against groups crossing into Turkey and perhaps even to pursue them into Iraq. But any broad offensive against the Kurds should not be allowed. The Kurds need to stop fucking with Turkey, but we should not allow Turkey to wipe out the Kurds. This needs to be settled, dare I say it, diplomatically. We need to tell Turkey to back off and tell the Kurds to cut the crap. We should not allow any country to go invading Iraq while we're still there. It's rude. One invasion at a time. At least one per country.
You seem pretty well informed on this issue. So what about the government of the area of Iraq controlled by the Kurds? How do they feel about the PKK? Would they support a crackdown on them? If all Turkey wants to do is wipe out some fringe group, they should be able to work something out. Perhaps Turkey could send some advisors to assist the Kurds in wiping out the PKK?
Of course only when US interests had been met with the occupation of Iraq that is . Then the Kurds became a pain in their ass . A big decider for Turkey was the US recognising the Armenian slaughter as Genocide that was to please the EU . I got a feeling Turkey is doing this to get an American turn around on that idea .
Maybe. But what if the USA would just take the position that 1. genocide is bad. 2. invading countries is bad. 3. murdering citizens is bad. just apply these at will. Turkey: breaking all of the above rules. The USA reprimands turkey and stops all economic traffic and such between turkey and the USA. You can't go wrong. Unless you confuse liberate with invade.
Dear All, Hoepfully this situation is not as dangeorus as it appears... And as for the US selling out.................yeah so whats new!!! ~~~~~~~ cheers zak
But that land belongs to Iraq so in truth Turkey is stealing the oil rich lands of the Iraqies aren't they?