Indian Atrocities

[S.A.M.]

nonsense
a dying civ sounds much more romantic

lets fornicate
hurry!!

That explains the second coming, I guess.

[John99]

Despite the fact that untouchability was officially banned when India adopted its constitution in 1950, discrimination against Dalits remained so pervasive that in 1989 the government passed legislation known as The Prevention of Atrocities Act. The act specifically made it illegal to parade people naked through the streets, force them to eat feces, take away their land, foul their water, interfere with their right to vote, and burn down their homes.

Hey, it is ok to walk around naked. Guess you get used to it.

[S.A.M.]

No one gets used to humiliation

[milkweed]

The issues being discussed here such as the treatment of widows, caste system, etc are ingrained issues that pre-date colonialism and survive still and are the true source of India's issues of poverty, segregation, and religious strife and the host of ills rampant in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India

Slavery was not introduced by Colonialism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_...Medieval_India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...avery_in_India

[S.A.M.]

The issues being discussed here such as the treatment of widows, caste system, etc are ingrained issues that pre-date colonialism and survive still and are the true source of India's issues of poverty, segregation, and religious strife and the host of ills rampant in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India

Slavery was not introduced by Colonialism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_...Medieval_India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...avery_in_India

Umm no, the British, Portuguese French and Dutch did not come to India to relieve us of our poverty.

Assessment of India's pre-colonial economy is mostly qualitative, owing to the lack of quantitative information. One estimate puts the revenue of Akbar's Mughal Empire in 1600 at £17.5 million, in contrast with the total revenue of Great Britain in 1800, which totalled £16 million.[13] India, by the time of the arrival of the British, was a largely traditional agrarian economy with a dominant subsistence sector dependent on primitive technology. It existed alongside a competitively developed network of commerce, manufacturing and credit. After the fall of the Mughals and the rise of Maratha Empire, the Indian economy was plunged into a state of political instability due to internecine wars and conflicts

Colonial rule brought a major change in the taxation environment from revenue taxes to property taxes resulting in mass impoverishment and destitution of the great majority of farmers. It also created an institutional environment that, on paper, guaranteed property rights among the colonizers, encouraged free trade, and created a single currency with fixed exchange rates, standardized weights and measures, capital markets, a well developed system of railways and telegraphs, a civil service that aimed to be free from political interference, and a common-law, adversarial legal system.[15] India's colonisation by the British coincided with major changes in the world economy—industrialisation, and significant growth in production and trade. However, at the end of colonial rule, India inherited an economy that was one of the poorest in the developing world,[16] with industrial development stalled, agriculture unable to feed a rapidly growing population, one of the world's lowest life expectancies, and low rates of literacy.

[John99]

Sam, making excuses will not change anything. THESE ARE YOU PEOPLE.

[S.A.M.]

Sam, making excuses will not change anything. THESE ARE YOU PEOPLE.

Umm yes, that is why we are doing our best to make sure they are not left behind, as a cursory glance at any budget since independence will indicate.

[John99]

Oh really? I think American business has given India a rosier outlook.

[S.A.M.]

Oh really? I think American business has given India a rosier outlook.

Yeah, we're always happy to work for lower wages.

[John99]

Yeah, we're always happy to work for lower wages.

You mean comparatively lower Besides i really think the people getting the new buisnesses should be in charge of doing the right thing and Idia got some sweet jobs from U.S (maybe elsewhere, i dont know) so that may account for overall sense of well being you describe.

[milkweed]

y the time of the arrival of the British, was a largely traditional agrarian economy with a dominant subsistence sector dependent on primitive technology.

It also created an institutional environment that, on paper, guaranteed property rights among the colonizers, encouraged free trade, and created a single currency with fixed exchange rates, standardized weights and measures, capital markets, a well developed system of railways and telegraphs, a civil service that aimed to be free from political interference, and a common-law, adversarial legal system.

However, at the end of colonial rule, India inherited an economy that was one of the poorest in the developing world, with industrial development stalled, agriculture unable to feed a rapidly growing population, one of the world's lowest life expectancies, and low rates of literacy.

So your point is that without the support of the Brits, India collapsed back into its orginal substance lifestyle? Cant teach an old dog new tricks? Is that the moral of your story?

[S.A.M.]

You mean comparatively lower Besides i really think the people getting the new buisnesses should be in charge of doing the right thing and Idia got some sweet jobs from U.S (maybe elsewhere, i dont know) so that may account for overall sense of well being you describe.

What sense of well being?

[S.A.M.]

So your point is that without the support of the Brits, India collapsed back into its orginal substance lifestyle? Cant teach an old dog new tricks? Is that the moral of your story?

Considering that the colonialists are still using structural adjustments to maintain their economy, I think the shoe is rather on the other foot, they apparently cannot survive without military force to maintain themselves; unfortunately such societies have historically short lifespans.

[milkweed]

Considering that the colonialists are still using structural adjustments to maintain their economy, I think the shoe is rather on the other foot, they apparently cannot survive without military force to maintain themselves; unfortunately such societies have historically short lifespans.

But were not talking about your perception of the USA here. This thread is about the current situation in INDIA and the horrible way people have to survive in a country that has had 3000 years to get it together.

What have you done for widows in India lately? Have you written one letter to the powers that be expressing how things must be changed? Have you spouted off any suggestions for change within your own borders to relieve the massive suffering being endured by your fellow citizens? You havent presented a single answer to any of the issues revolving around India's current situation and the topics presented here within this thread yet. So far your offerings have revolved around the tired "its Someone Elses Fault".

[Gustav]

Yeah thats the problem; the government wants them to integrate, they want special treatment.[/url]

the devil is in the details my princess

my natural civic inclinations have to be tempered when dealing with local reps
for instance, eminent domain is invoked to steal and sell......to walmart

ja
special treatment>lemme keep whats mine please/find a goddamn reasonable justification for land grabs

fuck!!!!!!!!!!

[S.A.M.]

But were not talking about your perception of the USA here. This thread is about the current situation in INDIA and the horrible way people have to survive in a country that has had 3000 years to get it together.

What have you done for widows in India lately? Have you written one letter to the powers that be expressing how things must be changed? Have you spouted off any suggestions for change within your own borders to relieve the massive suffering being endured by your fellow citizens? You havent presented a single answer to any of the issues revolving around India's current situation and the topics presented here within this thread yet. So far your offerings have revolved around the tired "its Someone Elses Fault".

You presume to assume 3000 years of Indian history from your myopic view of the world?

India has seen several civilisations come and go; its very persistence is testimony to the fact that its society is pluralistic enough to adapt and grow. We've seen the last 3000, we'll probably see the next 10 as well. You need not worry about us.

[Gustav]

But were not talking about your perception of the USA here. This thread is about the current situation in INDIA and the horrible way people have to survive in a country that has had 3000 years to get it together.

What have you done for widows in India lately? Have you written one letter to the powers that be expressing how things must be changed? Have you spouted off any suggestions for change within your own borders to relieve the massive suffering being endured by your fellow citizens? You havent presented a single answer to any of the issues revolving around India's current situation and the topics presented here within this thread yet. So far your offerings have revolved around the tired "its Someone Elses Fault".

fool
gimme an issue
any issue
all of em

i'll find a rash of ngo's fer yer ass

[milkweed]

I see.

You HAVENT any answers for the rot within the borders of India.

[Buffalo Roam]

y the time of the arrival of the British, was a largely traditional agrarian economy with a dominant subsistence sector dependent on primitive technology.

It also created an institutional environment that, on paper, guaranteed property rights among the colonizers, encouraged free trade, and created a single currency with fixed exchange rates, standardized weights and measures, capital markets, a well developed system of railways and telegraphs, a civil service that aimed to be free from political interference, and a common-law, adversarial legal system.

However, at the end of colonial rule, India inherited an economy that was one of the poorest in the developing world, with industrial development stalled, agriculture unable to feed a rapidly growing population, one of the world's lowest life expectancies, and low rates of literacy.

This is suppose to excuse all of the atrocities, starvation, segregation, bigotry, and racism?

India has been independent for 60 years, and these practices still are on going, SpAM wants to tout India's Great Economy, great for who? not the Dalits it seems, or any of the other lower classes, 3000 lower caste.

[S.A.M.]

fool
gimme an issue
any issue
all of em

i'll find a rash of ngo's fer yer ass

Heh, why bother? Is anyone here really interested in the widows and Dalits of India? Like the gays in Iran, they just make a good supremacist issue