The Flux of Time

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    What is time in the eyes of physics? Apart from the clocks on the wall and the watch around your wrist, time has a very interesting description by physicists. The strange thing about time, is that you cannot see it, touch it, or feel it. We can sense it to some degree - but there is a reason why we sense time; that is because it all exists inside of us. The clock of the universe, is simultaneously and paradoxically a mental clock; time is a product of our minds.

    When considering time, we ask questions like, 'what is time?' And other questions like, 'why can't we live forever?' And, 'can we make the hand of the clock move anti-clockwise?' Let's investigate these for a second. We often wonder why our skin ages. What causes my body to age...? Is it simply a process of time?
    Yes, and no. Obviously, it takes time to do it. However, scientists think they can locate the particle that causes ageing, the 'free radical' - a deteriate molecule, eating electrons. However, there is no scientific technology as yet that can stop these free radicals from self-destructing. This is just a fact about nature.
    The whole world is governed by specific times, in a day or even in a year. The flower will close its petals over night, and re-open in the morning. The trees in autumn will shed its leaves, and sheep in springtime give birth to their lambs. Even humans, females that is, have an 'in-built' maternal clock. In fact, we have several clocks. One is our 'sleep clock.' It is around 24.5 hour sleep clock. Scientists have discovered the gene that causes this perception, and called it the 'Suprachiasmatic Nucleus.'

    Time is the 4th dimension of time, physicists call, 'the imaginary dimension of space.' Quantum physics points to a startling conclusion when regarding time - and that is that the human mind is somehow, the same thing as it! It makes us inextricably linked with space, matter and energy. Somehow, through the presence of time, everything is dependant on each other. It is our perceptions of time that interests scientists. Certain times of the day can go faster than other times. Even certain narcotics can play an influence on the human perception.

    So can we slow down the molecular process of ageing?
    Some scientists think that it is possible. The molecular structures of quantum systems can be tinkered with to alter their life spans. In the Buck Institute in Novato, California, they have been able to increase the lifespan of the Nematode Worm; This is by cataloging its individual genes, the thousands of them. A human being has about 80,000 genes. By locating certain genes inside of humans, we can alter disease, and, in the case of the Nematode - triple their life spans. Given that humans have a considerable amount more cells than the 959-cell nematode worm, we have around 50,000 billion cells, and a great deal more genes, about 60,100 more; can we alter human life expectancy in mapping and cataloging the human genetic makeup?

    There is a tree is Bristlestone National Park, near Death Valley in Sunkist California that is 4785 years old! It was given the most appropriate name of the 'Methuselah,' named after the biblical character in Genesis, father of Lamech and oldest man to be recorded, as 969 years. Being as old as the pyramids themselves, older than Christ, It has lasted this long because it has an amazingly slow metabolism.
    Theoretically, a human can add an extra 5-10yrs onto their life spans by eating less (this ensures we don't use up too much energy - this is semi-starvation treatment, and they perform this on chimps), and exercise less (also to retain as much energy.) This of course happens because of a conservation of energy, by doing a lot less than the average human my metabolism will run much slower. Thus my cells use up less energy, then needing less energy.

    The speed of time can fluctuate and change as moments pass around large cosmological dense bodies (even the earth produces time warps), but it cannot simply disappear from the fabric of space, because it is a universal 'invariant'. There are many 'invariant' relationships in physics. Invariance is a constant that shall remain, therego, despite if something changes. A good example is a tree. It will bud in spring, bloom in summer, but will shed its leaves in autumn. Now in winter it is bare; the invariance here is the tree. So, it is no surprise that scientists are perplexed by the brains ability to warp time senselessly - and in some extreme cases, even makes time disappear - it defies all scientific understanding.
    For instance, the mind can experience time loss. Sometimes we can experience the speeding up of time and the slowing down of time whilst under the influence of drugs. Certain drugs, like cannabis have peculiar effects on the user, and he/she can sometimes experience a day go in the matter of hours and sometimes an hour can feel more like 'hours'. This interests scientists and they are now exploring into why this occurs.

    Maybe one day, we will detect the possibility of molecular alterations, and extend the lifespan of a human three times it is right now. Or perhaps we will master a machine that can create the possibility of 'global causality violation,' that is, a path that winds round through space and twists through the time dimension. If relativity is correct, then time is like a river, and the possibility to turn around on the stream of time is there.
    It might be possible round whopping gravitational superdense bodies, like 'black holes,' or 'neutron stars.' The distortions that such a body would cause space and time to curve heavily… and a bend in time means the possibility of slowing down time.

    Imagine that time is a river and we traveled downstream in the current. We are traveling with time. We travel much more in the time dimension than the space dimensions. We move with time without recourse at the speed of light. Now you can imagine that, to bend the rules, and break through the time barrier, i need to turn around against the current, and try and move through time. Though, because it has a strong force it is not so easy.
    Will we ever make a time machine? The problem with a time machine is that it would require such an enormous amount of energy to do what i want. Dr. Michio Kaku, a well renown physicist just completed a series on channel four TV. called ‘Time’, and he was asked to build a time machine.
    His idea was to have a gigantic atom collider, the size of the solar system to accelerate a beam of particles equal to amazing speeds, until it reaches a point called the 'Planck Energy' were space and time become unstable, and a rip can be caused in the fabric of space. This is because the particles focus an intense beam at a certain region in space and time, and the temperatures force the universe to link up with another place in that universe, or if theory is correct, to parallel universes. The wormhole gateway into another time and place would be very small. However, the presence of exotic matter could blow it up to a more reasonable size, fit for a human.
    Wormholes inside of black hole are threaded with this 'antigravity' substance called 'exotic matter.' physicists aren't able to make this in labs today, but, it is believed to be a main proponent in the rapid acceleration of our universe, as it is thought to pervade our universe. One mouth of the wormhole is then taken to a 'Neutron Star.' This is a 'superdense' remnant of a dead star. One spoonful of the material weighs as much as all the cars and vans in the world put together! It will create a high gravitational field - and it is here, time becomes distorted and slowed down.
    Thus, leaving one end of the wormhole at the neutron star, will slow the age of it. Let's say that he left it there until it was a year younger, than the other end. Then, entering very carefully one end of the wormhole, i can come out the other end a year back in the history of the universe. Though, i must stress, as grand as Dr. Michio's idea is, it is still science fiction, and he is aware of this. The amount of energy required is astronomical - in fact, the energy we can produce in colliders today is around a quadrillion time less than what would be required.
    Then, if we where able to travel freely in time, what about the paradox's that come with it all? Einstein gave us some examples of these paradox's and riddles, where a time traveler goes back in time and kills his father before he reaches puberty; but this is where the inconsistency arises. If he killed his father before he met his mother, then that would suggest that [he] was never born, hence the paradox. If he never existed, how could he go back in time to kill his father?

    Though, some physicists get around this problem with parallel universe theory. If one travels through the time barriers, according to theory, one travels into other universes. Einstien’s relativity, explains that time is not fixed. Time can be traveled through, just like space. With time not being absolute, must mean that our past time can be someone’s present or someone’s past...
    What is past? What is present? As simple as these questions might seem, their answers actually play a big role, both existing on two different sides of the barrier of present time.
    Present time is 'real time' - it is the only time that ever exists; no past or future exists - they are just descriptions of the human perception of time. Our consciousness tunes into a certain signal, and the result is reality - and the perception of real time.

    The past is really an imaginable realm. The past doesn't exist unless you consider that the past is in fact a record that makes up the present. Any past we sense or think about is purely created by the mind - the original present can never be replayed in history - the world of the present passes by us, and the past is created, and we can never experience that again.
    Forward and backwards through time traveling quantum waves carry information through time, making anything real. A forward time wave is represented in mathematics as the 'psi', and looks like the devils trident 'pitchfork'. A wave that moves forward in time is called an 'offer wave'. A backward through time wave is represented as a 'psi-star' and is called an 'echo wave'. Together, they create a single quantum answer.

    It is believed that what we do now, defines what was past... somehow, whenever i make a measurement in the present, it makes that past event more real. Somehow, before we came about, the universe was not unique - but when we did come about, our observations started to make reality more and more real, scooping backwards in time, making a reasonable past for the universe. The present has no influence on the future. The future only effects the present in a statistical sense.
    In any case, we will not be able to physically time travel in the near future. We simply do not have the technology. Maybe one day, thousands of years later, we will know how to harvest exotic matter, and manage faster-than-light travel (this is not in violation of relativity - it is just another bizarre situation). There are already scientists investigating the possibility. Perhaps we will jump into hyperspace, and we accomplish time travel.

    The classical principle of entropy can be described as being ice cubes in a glass of water. To imagine this picture, you must consider that there was total order present, with the ice cubes and the water separately. However, as time progresses, entropy is increased, as the water dissolves the ice cubes, rather than the ice cubes remaining in their normal states. This shows that an object will slow down if it slides on a corruptive surface; this is analogous to the perception of time, since we can remember the past, instead of the future.

    This directionality is forward - and entropy is ever-increasing. In fact, this arrow has deep connections with the second law of thermodynamics: which states that heat cannot spontaneously flow from one body to another. This boundary allows us to create memory as we progress into the future, rather then the past.

    In the beginning, entropy was very low - one perhaps could call this the ground state of order. It was because entropy was so low, a distinction between the past and the future could arise. And when time continued, entropy would increase; for this reason, entropy can never decrease... and even though disorder is ever increasing, it will do so with as much a little of disorder as possible. This is stated clearly in 'the principle of least action.' This principle highlights that the universe will be as efficient with its energy as possible.
    However, the only real time we experience is the present time. This must mean that both the past and the future are a collection of statistical probable outcomes: making both the past and the future totally virtual. Now, even though these are all laws, totally within the boundaries of physics, they can be violated.
    They can be violated if the mind collects information about the future and is simultaneously aware of it. Obviously, this would be a premonition of the future. This is us remembering a time which has not yet come to pass - which seems illogical when anyone comes to reconcile this phenomena, because, how can we remember something we have never experienced?

    I believe we can do so, because all-information exists potentially within our beings. And because we have all-information existing within us in a dormant state, and also because our minds can defy certain rules and principles, such as indeterminism, we might be able to defy temporal processes of knowledge, not working in a continuous frame. Instead, from time-to-time, the mind can jump into the future and anticipate an outcome by making it 'real', and i think this collapse ensures that this is the specific way into the most probable future.
    Even though we sense the psychological arrow of time as going in one direction (I call this 'linear knowledge'), it would still be best to imagine it as being non-linear. Whether or not it may seem to have a directionality about it, it is existing in a world in which it encapsulates it's field on four dimensional freedom. Thus, real time is like a squiggly surface, usually portrayed as being the surface of an expanding balloon; thus the time we sense is an illusion, but is in opposition, an extremely valuable way to distinguish the evolution of time, including it's boundaries of past, present and future.

    So... Can The Mind Time Travel?

    The idea that the mind might time travel, is not new - but i feel that the theory itself hasn't been taken seriously enough. The reason why i think it must be considered with interest, is because the history of our past and the history of our future are experiences of the consciousness that exists [only in time] - never in space. Time is somehow the realm of both mind and the imaginal. Because of this, we must assume that it is very possible that the mind is not necessarily bound to the present time.

    In fact, we display time in various ways. The mental projection is just as important. For instance, we can psychologically go into the past - however, the truth in physics indicates that the mind 'recreates a past' in the present. Our future exists as a time we cannot remember, but to us, it feels as though we can 'jump' into the future and write a particular path we might take. (However), because nothing in time is fixed, and physical actions/reactions have not yet transpired, we must imagine that these 'thoughts of the future' statistically play a role in any physical outcome. So we can recreate the past, and statistically influence the future. Though because the mind is bound to the here and now, how can one say the mind can exceed the barrier of present time?
    One way to imagine this, is to create some new idea's about present time. Present time, (i believe) binds the mind only when awareness is present. To imagine this, is to say present time is the shadow of a particular collapse of the wave function, coupled by awareness - and quite possibly intelligence: I mention intelligence here, because it may not be enough to be simply 'aware' - since the leading contention on the collapse theory, is that intelligence must be involved.

    Thus, if present time is a reality only ever real through awareness, then the logic would suggest that time travel would be possible for a 'less aware mind.' One way to imagine this, is when a person is asleep. The mind during a dream state is never fully occupied with the world around it. Whilst certain neural functions still maintain when asleep, our objective awareness is not. By lessening awareness, are we making the mind more prone to violate the present time laws?
    There are ways to explore this theory - but they are delving into worlds that are very difficult to measure. The haziness of memory during sleep plays a big barrier in the experimental means of testing the theory... for instance, one could use psychics here. Certain people when asleep, claim to see visions of a time past or a time in the future. Some of these visions may accurately show a time that has yet still to happen, and as many people claim, 'they happen.' The only way to take this seriously, is to take the people who have these experiences seriously.

    Instead of ''blind'' faith, perhaps we need to be looking for people who are naturally not as aware as the next person. Perhaps, people who have certain senses stripped from them, such as sight and hearing, might be perfect candidates, since the world we see, hear, touch, smell and taste are all built up on sense alone: Reality, the normal composite of three spatial dimensions, is built up on nothing more than senses; perhaps the mind can perceive reality, because it is tied up into higher dimensional plains?
    Ok... Let's leave all these ''exotic dimensions'' that the mind could be inexplicably tied to, and let us see some other reasons how mind might see into the future, just as we saw in Dr. Radin's rather amazing experimental evidence in part two. Firstly, we need to understand, that for anything to breach time - and by that, i mean this strange, undefined presence of here and now - time must be an illusion. What we consider as past, present and future, is all somehow the same thing - though, it isn't when a mind is present. The present time takes on real attributes, and the past and future don't seem to exist.

    How wrong we are if we hold onto the belief of time. Time would all happen in an instant without mind, and the past and future would become just as real as the present time. Perhaps the mind fall's into a state of present time, but when we are not aware of it, it oscillates throughout the time barrier in a sinusoidal movement. In fact, the human brain must be quite unconscious... The more conscious we can be, the more the mind will fall into a defined state for reality. Remove the conscious state, and we might be seeing what reality after life is like. Death might just be a state of unconsciousness... a state of psyche not to far off dream state.
    Here is another example of a mind not fully bound by reality. This example is found in hypno states. Some individuals, when put under deep regression hypnosis, have found themselves ''seeing'' events, either in the past and in the future. Some of these events have been tied to some type of previous life experiences. Is this the mind again, 'delving into the past or future,' because it is not fully occupied with the here and now? If so, then hypnotism is the perfect experimental way to find the mind doing some extraordinary stuff.
    And, here is where my hypothesis get's even stranger... Some of these individuals have experienced 'being in the bodies' of some soul that had lived, let's say 50 to a 100 years ago... Not each of these can be false; some have to be true surely? And if they are, is past life really always the answer? It's a nice thought believing we might keep living on, as new individuals; however, can there be another answer - one just as bizarre and interesting?

    In Einstien's relativity papers, the past and the future is paradoxically happening right now. To understand this, we need to take an imaginary journey in a time machine. If we moved from this day and age, let's say, 400 years into the past, we would end up in another present time. If we had moved into the future, we would have also ended up in a future present time, where hopefully people still exist. How can a present time exist in the future? Wouldn't that mean that both the past and the future where happening right now? And if the future was happening right now, which future is this?
    Some physicists opt for the parallel universe interpretation here... For in this interpretation, the future you jump into, is the present time in a parallel universe. I shall give a more conservative answer here, without using parallel universes... The future we have jumped into, is the most likely, probable future. Though, understanding this shows us that time is not fixed, and that the present time is an illusion. It's just like the big bang... As the big bang occurred, a big crunch also occurred, almost simultaneously!

    Now, with time not being absolute, the mind may not have difficulty leaping into the past or the future. Indeed, if this is what is happening, what is happening when a mind enters another soul’s body, in a totally different time? Is this ''us'' in another lifetime? The idea is novel; however, i am going to present another idea, using Ludvic Bass' notion that all minds are a product of one mind only. Now, if this is true, then this must also mean all minds in the past and the future - not only the minds here and now. If all minds are connected to one single mind-unit, then can one mind merge with another? Can the psyche of one person, enter the psyche of another person’s body?
    As bizarre as this might sound, it may hold some key's to some pivotal questions concerning well-known phenomena throughout the whole world; such as psychic connection between twins, for instance. Twins tend to feel the same emotions and thoughts. Whereas many scientists will put this down to them being together for many years, other scientists welcome the idea that they can experience each others emotions and thoughts. Their connections are very strong, from a quantum physical view.
    I propose similar idea's concerning twins, and noted that these psychic connections might be as strong as they are, because they arose from one single egg. In quantum physics, we would call two objects from a single source, which still have intimate relationships as 'quantum entanglement.' Of course, quantum entanglement described subatomic particle coherence; however, one cannot help but see correlations between the two examples, and perhaps ascribe twins with similar ties.
    It turns out that certain personifications can enter a foreign body. We have already seen how donated body parts can alter another persons habits. Whilst many would scoff the idea of such a possibility, hard scientific evidence can back the theory up. If simple habit can be transferred into a human, might we even envision the mind also performing such a task? The only real problem with this theory, is that it is hard to believe that anyone else apart from ''me'' can enter this temple of mine. Here i would like you to consider severe split-personality disorder, just in this case. Is the previous idea any stranger than the concept of split-personality disorder, when a persons psyche splits off into many different personas?

    The world of mind can bring even the most plausible theories into extreme depths. Known phenomena such as hypnotism and psychic experiences are just the brink of understanding a mind not bound by the forces of time; and we will only understand how the mind works in these curious ways, i believe, by attempted to fit the mind in a dimension(s) which exists somehow outside normal quantum effects.
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Which cannot be proven. It's all in your mind, not based on facts.
     
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    What is all in my mind?

    I would like you to know, many of the FACTS stated above are in mainstream physics...
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    You think physics are all facts? I think you should rexamine your physics again and find that most physics are based on theories.
     
  8. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Yes... scientific theories: The best theories there are in the game.

    We can only use the resources given to us.
     
  9. Klippymitch Thinker Registered Senior Member

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    Be sure to not take a theory as the truth until it has been proven to be fact. if we start saying mainstream theories are fact when they might in fact be wrong, it'll be that much harder to get support to another more accurate theory.
     
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  10. Reiku Banned Banned

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    They are the most likely. I never said they are, but theorize they are.
     
  11. fo3 acdcrocks Registered Senior Member

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    Quote from wikipedia, for better wording than I could produce in answer to cosmictraveler and Klippymitch.
     
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    Reiku: IMHO time is cofounded with motion, and the "dimension" of time is derived from motion through space. This means time travel is impossible. See

    http://www.relativityplus.info

    ..for detailed reasoning.
     
  13. fruityfigtree Grace strengthens the will Registered Senior Member

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    1 + 1 = 2. that is a fact regardless of your feelings and opinions.

    However, what I find most annoying from most so called scientists these days is they're cunningness and uncanny ability to weave in their biased opinions in their observations.

    Eg. Statements like "it's more likely..." that are supported by other unproven theories. Why don't they remain objective in their conclusions and just say "We don't know" then we'll all have a pretty good idea of how far we've come. Anything outside of this is pure conjecture. It's imagination!
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So many threads on time, with so little understanding of what time is.
     
  15. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Time is a train. A choo-choo train. It goes fast. It goes slow. It runs you over. It leaves you behind. It makes smoke and lots of noise. Woo woooooo.
     
  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Unless, that is, you feel like using different definitions. The statement "1+1=2" does not inherently say anything about reality, and so is not refutable by evidence. You first have to define what "1" is, what "+" means, what "=" implies and what "2" is. For example, if I define "1" to refer to a drop of water, and "+" to represent the meeting of two drops of water, the statement "1+1=2" is then false. The true statement would be "1+1=1", since the two drops would merge into a single new drop. The statement "1+1=2" is only true so long as you only use it to refer to settings in which it is true. Which is to point out that asserting the "truth" of abstract mathematical statements is necessarily a tautological excercise.
     
  17. Klippymitch Thinker Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly.

    but the new drop water would be twice as big as the small drops of water in single form. What would that be? 1+1=2(1)?

    I see what you mean though, Math is a tool of representation and if you used just math. Your really aren't representing anything thus the math is meaningless without meaning.
     
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    It would depend on what you meant by "1." If you mean "1 drop," then "1+1=1." On the other hand, if it refers to the mass of the drop, then "1+1=2." You could probably come up with even more exotic version if you spent a couple of minutes trying.

    Yeah, pretty much. Lots of younger students seem to think that math is some kind of bedrock truth that underlies physics/chemistry/etc. and is irreproachably true. Which couldn't be farther from the truth. Math itself has absolutely no truth value at all. It would be like saying "English is true."
     
  19. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    What? Nobody likes my choo-choo train theory? :bawl:
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I liked it. Chuga-chuga, woo-woo.
     
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    I like your theory superluminal. I've just realized we can use it to unify relativity and quantum mechanics

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    Hello all

    Time is the interface between colliding M-branes.

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    In the future sir, can you be more specific, in both language and math, if you want us to actually make a profile of you in our heads

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    There is a theory suddesting [5-DIMENSIONAL] Twin Branes colliding and causing the activation of instantaneous quantum tunneling energy and time.
     
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