Armenian Genocide

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Michael, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Armenian genocide
    The Turkish president has denounced a vote by a committee of the US Congress recognizing as genocide the 1915 mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks


    So why did the Turkish Muslims kill millions of Armenian Christians?
     
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  3. chuuush Registered Senior Member

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    Because you people do not know a shit about the history nor do you care about the real thing and your politicians are more than eager to do anything, even mess with the real history, to get votes.
    I'm also damn sure you have not heard a word about Turkey formally announcing it opens its archive to the historians and calling for Armenia and the third parties to do the same, which was downright rejected, and promising it would accept the decisions made by a boards of eligible historians after an extensive study of these archives. History is not to be dictated by the politicians or the media but by the historians.

    For some sources for those who want to learn about the other side of the real story:

    http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/

    For some insight into the real cause of the allegations:

    http://www.turkishweekly.net/editorial.php?id=12
     
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  5. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    They killed them because we don't know shit about the history?
     
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  7. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    As usual it seems the Ottoman Turks/Moslems, got their ass's kicked by the Russian during WWI, and they blamed the Armenian Christians for their loss, and so as to salve their pride they started to beat up on the Dhimmis, the Armenians.

    The basis of the Turkeys denial of the Genocide is that it wasn't state organized, but the facts don't seem to bear that out, and to say the state didn't organize it, is the equivalent argument of the Germans after WWII, that I was only following orders, The state is responsible for the protection of all of it citizens, and to fail to protect one segment of that population from the Majority population of that country, it is state sponsorship, and when you mix in the Moslem vs: Christian, the bigotry becomes apparent.

    The same method and terminology as used by the Nazis, they only wanted to relocate, and allow immigration's, for the good of the Jews, they recorded the type, quantity, and value of the "immigrant" property, as well as recording the names of the owners and where they were sent, and made them pay the cost of the immigration, they were relocated to the Ghettoes, for their own good, and then where were they allowed to immigrate? Auschwitz, Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald, Flossenbürg, Mauthausen..........

    It is interesting that Hitler modeled his genocide on the Ottoman Turks genocide of the Armenians, and the Moslem Leaders lead their people to support Hitler's during WWII..

    Morgenthau, Ambassador Henry, Sr.
    Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946) was United States ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian Genocide. A naturalized American from a German Jewish ...
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/morgenthau.html

    http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm





    MySpaceTV: Caravan by Shervin Youssefian by MUSIC VIDEO PRODUCTION
    The saddest part in the Armenian genocide is when turks stripped Armenian women naked and ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_Population ...
    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=651822806
     
  8. chuuush Registered Senior Member

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    Bulshit... There has never ever been a muslim vs. Christian bias in Turkey. Your long statements are all based on your classic anti-muslim hatred Bufallo.


    Just this line shows how ignorant you are of history

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Turks-save-Jews.htm

    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2007/08/turkish-jews-reject-adls-policy-on.html
     
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  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Then feel free to post a refutation of my premise, your above post is a pathetic, opinion with no cognitive thought needed, but then most of your post are devoid of cognitive though.
     
  10. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    The Turkish archives contain accounts written by the Turks in charge at the time. The idea of bias has obviously never crossed the minds of its supporters, has it?
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    What would you expect? they are on the bull's-eye, and from the reactions of Moslems to anything they perceive as criticism,

    Really? I am the one ignorate of History? then what about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Hanjar Division and Gebirgs divisions of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...eh?

    Kharaillah Tulfah, close friend of Amin Al-Husseini and his main partner during the pro-Nazi coup [ix] in 1941 in Baghdad.

    The mufti barely escaped trial for treason by fleeing to Egypt in 1946. There he made young Yasser Arafat, then living in Cairo, his protégé. The mufti secretly imported a former Nazi commando officer into Egypt to teach Mr. Arafat and other teenage recruits the fine points of guerrilla warfare. Mr. Arafat learned his lessons well – the mufti was so proud of him he even pretended the two of them were blood relations.

    Historical connections with the Nazis abound, it may be you who needs the history lesson.

    The countries of Argentina, Lithuania, Netherlands, Canada, Uruguay, Itilay, Lebanon, Belgium, Cyprus, Russia, Greece, Sweden, Slovakia, Poland, America, Germany, the European Parliament, all recognize that the Genocid of the Armenians took place, and a little reading of history seems to show that special attention was paid to the Armenians to remove them from their homes and lands.,


    NPR : Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide
    Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide ... probe with neighboring Armenia, many Turks continue to be defensive about what they call `the Armenian issue. ...
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4620581


    THE ARAB/MUSLIM NAZI CONNECTION
    The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...
    http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

    Hitler's Soviet Muslim Legions
    The Grand Mufti approved the plan to raise a Turkic-Muslim SS division and give ... imams for the Muslim military units in the Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht. ...
    http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

    The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust
    A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin ... The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany ...
    http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

    Hitler And The Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem: Origins Of Modern Islamic ...
    The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the ...
    http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/08/hitler_and_the_1.php

    ps: I don't hate Moslems, why would I? I hate the duplicity of Islam, and the acts committed by Moslems in the name of God, and then justified with the Qur'an and the Hadiths, the talk of being peaceful and the reality of murdered innocents, both Moslem and all the rest, the burned churches, the slavery that is still in practice, the systemic hatred of the Jews, and the constant sermons from the Mosques of Jihad, and the oppression of Islam, the oppression comes from Islam.
     
  12. draqon Banned Banned

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    Turkish people waged war on all around them...including Armenia and Russia...the question is why havent they killed each other off yet?
     
  13. otheadp Banned Banned

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    *Turks say they have documentation of the Armenians' genocide of Turks

    *Armenians say Turks have commited genocide against Armenians (but there is almost no proof, since it was destroyed by Turks)

    so how can we know who is lying? or, how can we know that they even have the right info?

    i have no grudges against Turks or Armenians, so i don't want to offend any of them by saying they're wrong. how come people are so quick in confirming one's story but denying the other's?
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    Turks are lying...their history is full of war...a small genocide in history is nothing for them. But they gotta keep a good image to the international press.
     
  15. otheadp Banned Banned

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    you're just saying that because you've got a feeling about them. but you have absolutely no way of knowing
     
  16. draqon Banned Banned

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    yeah your basically right.

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  17. oreodont I am God Registered Senior Member

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    Good grief. Read history. The Turks massacred hundreds of thousands of Armenians. It's the world that knows this and not 'something the Armenians say'. The Turkish denial is based on the Armenians not being the only target. That's like the Germans wanting to ignore their murder of Jews because they also murdered Gypsies and others.
     
  18. otheadp Banned Banned

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    appeal to emotion ("it's like Germans doing this and that") or to numbers ("the world knows this") don't make it true.

    i wasn't able to find the website (i googled for like 10 minutes) but a few months ago i encountered a Turkish website that has a huge and detailed archive of [alleged] a genocide by Armenians against Turks occuring at about the same time as the Armenian genocide.

    what reason do i have not to believe them?

    i'll keep looking and will post the link ASAP if i find it.
     
  19. otheadp Banned Banned

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    man... too many sources to go through @ Wiki... i'm too tired to do that right now (just came from work)

    anyway, saying that there was a genocide of Turks does not make the genocide of the Armenians false. i just have a feeling that since Turks were a huge empire before 1917, there has been a general dislike of them by many former subject nations, hence their stories are not as believed.

    case in point: just read Draqon's responses a few posts above mine.

    so maybe there were mass killings of Turks but not enough light has been shed on it... who knows
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone watch the video? Christ, if that's not genocide then what is?



    I'd also like to point out this: Why is the USA sticking it's nose into the affairs of 100 years ago? Why? I know Armenians (well actually Aussie but they think of themselves as Armenian because their family is Armenian (a few generations ago). They can speak the language so I suppose that have a claim and they'd appreciate this sentiment - a little (they don't trust the USA anyway). But why are we doing it now?

    Anyway, second point, why doesn't the USA Senate censure the English for their genocide against the Aboriginals in Australia or the Native Americans in North America or censure the Spanish for their genocide against the central and south Americans or censure the French and Dutch and Portuguese and English for their genocide against pacific islanders?

    It just seems very odd to me that the USA needs to stick it's nose into the business of Turkey and NOT into the business of the English or the French or the etc...
     
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  22. draqon Banned Banned

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    Very very good question. And the answer is ...

    Armenia you see is a simple minded country, the people are bit nomadic...they do not have a very good centralized government, it has integrated itself into many cultures such as Georgia...and Georgia is now very heavily supported by USA since USA plans to install military rocket bases there to be used against Iran and Russia. If US will back up Georgia and Armenia closeness...Georgians will be more likely to cooperate with the installation of military contingency in the area.
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Seems a bit conspiracy theory-ish to me. Turkey is also just as free to not raid Iraq and regardless of what the USA does there will remain animosity between the Kurds and everyone around them. As for Georgia, how dependent is their economy on Russia's good graces? Very or not very?
     

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