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    Court Rules Gore Film Biased

    After the UK decided to show Al Gore's movie to all school children, a judge has ruled that the children must be informed of the movies bias and scientific inaccuracies.

    Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias
    Last updated at 17:36pm on 3rd October 2007
    Schools will have to issue a warning before they show pupils Al Gore's controversial film about global warming, a judge indicated yesterday.

    The move follows a High Court action by a father who accused the Government of 'brainwashing' children with propaganda by showing it in the classroom.

    Stewart Dimmock said the former U.S. Vice-President's documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, is unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and 'sentimental mush'.

    He wants the video banned after it was distributed with four other short films to 3,500 schools in February.

    Mr Justice Burton is due to deliver a ruling on the case next week, but yesterday he said he would be saying that Gore's Oscar-winning film does promote 'partisan political views'.

    This means that teachers will have to warn pupils that there are other opinions on global warming and they should not necessarily accept the views of the film.

    The outcome marks a partial victory for Mr Dimmock, who had accused the 'New Labour Thought Police' of indoctrinating youngsters by handing out thousands of Climate Change Packs to schools.

    Mr Dimmock, a lorry driver from Dover with children aged 11 and 14, said at the outset of the hearing: 'I wish my children to have the best education possible, free from bias and political spin, and Mr Gore's film falls far short of the standard required.'

    His solicitor John Day, said yesterday that the Government had been forced to make 'a U-turn', but said it did not go far enough.

    He said 'no amount of turgid guidance' could change the fact that the film is unfit for consumption in the classroom.

    The case arises from a decision in February by the then Education Secretary Alan Johnson that DVDs of the film would be sent to all secondary schools in England, along with a multimedia CD produced by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs containing two short films about climate change and an animation about the carbon cycle. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811

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    hahhahaha....yeah Al Gore was brainwashed, way too much

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    I don't think anyone missed the political leanings of Al Gore as expressed in the movie - he quotes his poiitical enemies talking nonsense, for example, without quoting his political friends talking nonsense.

    And so UK children must be warned about that political stuff, in advance? Sounds good to me.

    So?

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    If only they had the same rule in the US. Many students are being fed this crap 3 or 4 times a year in different classes with on warning of its gross bias.

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    First and foremost, they should be debunking Gore's silly graph showing correlating CO2 and global temperature calibrations.

    A closer inspection reveals an inverse causality.

    Gore is the master of deception through vagary.

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    Al Gore is also to blame for the war in Iraq.

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    thou art wise oJjames R spidergoat's Avatar
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    So the Cons get their silly little disclaimer, but they won't stop showing it. Of course it's politically biased, the right has never been comfortable with science that contradicts their fantasies. The left has always been the more environmentally aware, and they have been proven correct about most things.
    Last edited by spidergoat; 10-03-07 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carcano
    First and foremost, they should be debunking Gore's silly graph showing correlating CO2 and global temperature calibrations.

    A closer inspection reveals an inverse causality.
    No it doesn't.

    You just have to be careful about the argument made. Gore never argues that CO2 buildup initiated or started past warming trends. His argument rests as easily on feedback and intensification as on initial cause.

    I imagine that mistake is part of the scientific bias alleged by the parent - which was not recognized by the court. The court mentioned only the political bias, which was obvious to all and humorous to many - Gore got a chance to hit back, and took it, using nothing but quotes from his enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceaura View Post
    You just have to be careful about the argument made.
    He makes no arguement at all...merely implies with vague hand gestures.

    Looky here people...dont it look like them lines kinda fit together?

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    Sounds like a Kangaroo court to me!

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    Couldn't this have waited until the judge's decision is actually handed down? Until then, it's all fairly speculative.

    Of course Gore has a political bias, and I would have no problem telling the kids about that. The issue of factual inaccuracies about the climate data in the film is a different one, and as far as I can see, nothing has been said about that so far.

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    Salon interviews Freeman Dyson in an interview called Our Rosy Future. He calls Al Gore "the chief propagandist" of the global warming cult.

    Why do you believe they feel so strong about the issue? Do you think they misconstrue the science?

    I think it's a combination of things. Take Al Gore, who is sort of the chief propagandist. I think for him it really is a religion. He has this unshakable belief that it's his mission to spread the gospel of global warming according to Al. So there's nothing I can do about that. His film is a brilliant piece of work. It looks wonderful when you see it. The fact is of course that the pictures don't actually prove what he's saying is true.

    Can you give an example?

    A polar bear sitting on a melting piece of ice. The poor bear is going to drown, and it's a tear-jerker. But in fact, the bears are doing very well. The numbers of bears in the Arctic are increasing rather than decreasing. On the whole, they like it to be warm.

    Just because you see pictures of glaciers falling into the ocean doesn't mean anything bad is happening. This is something that happens all the time. It's part of the natural cycle of things. We know from measurements that glaciers have been melting for 200 years at least. So it's certainly long before human activities could have caused it.

    What we also know, going back 4,000 years, is that the glaciers were actually a lot smaller. They actually grew in the meantime. So it seems to be some sort of cyclical process. They grow and shrink and there's no particular reason for being worried just because they're shrinking at the moment. I'm not saying there's no climate change. Of course there's climate change. Climate change is part of the normal order of things, and we know it was happening before humans came. There is also human-induced climate change. That's certainly happening too. But I don't think there's reason for worrying about it.

    So climate change has been politicized?

    There is this very strong organization, the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It's a group of officially anointed experts who produce statements every five years. This community of people is regarded as sacrosanct. And they're very intolerant. They always regard any criticism as a hostile act that has to be fought. I think they have behaved pretty badly. But that's rather an unusual case in the world of science -- that's where the politics has corrupted the science. But in general, scientists are not largely against heretics. This is something rather peculiar to climate studies. It also has to do with the way [the studies are] funded. The whole community of climate experts is funded on the basis that it's an urgent problem. So [they] can't possibly say it's not urgent or else they'll lose their thumbs.

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    Sounds to me like a money making scam from the guy in Dover. After all who the hell suits up with a lawyer to sue someone over a documentary, it's got nothing to do with inaccuracies just cold hard cash.

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    You know, at some point kids gotta start thinking for themselves. Most grade-schoolers and junior high students probably wouldn't get half of what Gore was actually talking about anyway, so some counterpoint by the teacher or other educational source would be good. But by the time you're in high school, you should have enough self-awareness to be able to critique documentaries for probability, statistic manipulation, and screen out mushy personal and political blogs intertwined with science.

    When I was in band in high school, we were given the luxury of watching movies on VCR (a real big thing back then) around the Christmas holiday. Some parental nut thought it inappropriate to play Amadeus because it was PG and he complained to school officials with disapproval. So then we had to sit through The Sound of Music for days on end. Let's just say that once we found out which kid it was, and we (the band members) would make fun of him afterwards by playing excerpts of Mozart before and after class.

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    thou art wise oJjames R spidergoat's Avatar
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    OilIsMastery , Freeman Dyson also thought it would be a good idea to blast our manned rockets into space with nuclear bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    OilIsMastery , Freeman Dyson also thought it would be a good idea to blast our manned rockets into space with nuclear bombs.
    So? It's the people who are never wrong that we have to worry about.

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    thou art wise oJjames R spidergoat's Avatar
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    I wish Gore was wrong, but he isn't. Go ahead fiddling while Rome burns.

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    When has Gore ever been right?

    Allow me to recommend a book to you. It's called The Doomsday Myth: 10,000 Years Of Economic Crises.

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    Bush sounds like Gore here.

    WASHINGTON — President Bush called on the world's worst polluters to come together to set a goal for reducing the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing the climate to heat up. He didn't exempt his own country from the list.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...naturalscience

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