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    Stable transuranic elements?

    Does current theory preclude the existence of stable elements with high atomic numbers?

    I think I read somewhere about an island of stability, but think that it refers to a group of elements more stable than those with lower atomic numbers, but still decaying in minutes, seconds, or less.

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    perhaps...in different conditions...other than Earth

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability

    They're not talking stability as in does not decay, but rather in the sense that certain transuranium elements might have an unexpectedly long half life. This wiki article explains it quite well.
    Last edited by kevinalm; 09-29-07 at 10:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    perhaps...in different conditions...other than Earth
    Absolutely not. The laws of physics are the same throughout the entire universe except for VERY unusual places - like inside the event horizon of a black hole. Even the exact same chemical elements are found in every star we've looked at. Nothing is different out there in normal space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Read-Only View Post
    Absolutely not. The laws of physics are the same throughout the entire universe except for VERY unusual places - like inside the event horizon of a black hole. Even the exact same chemical elements are found in every star we've looked at. Nothing is different out there in normal space.
    lol...now thats just funny.

    you are telling me Earth and the world we live in as a normal place as all the universe. The rest of the universe is made mostly from plasma...here on Earth we barely see any plasma. There are black holes...dark matter...antimatter out there...huge magnetic fields, different density factors...strong gravitational fields...unimaginable here on Earth...

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    What do you mean by stable?

    you are telling me Earth and the world we live in as a normal place as all the universe. The rest of the universe is made mostly from plasma...here on Earth we barely see any plasma. There are black holes...dark matter...antimatter out there...huge magnetic fields, different density factors...strong gravitational fields...unimaginable here on Earth...
    As usual...draqon you are an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenTheMan View Post
    What do you mean by stable?



    As usual...draqon you are an idiot.
    contradict me than, to prove that your statement against me.

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    There's nothing to contradict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenTheMan View Post
    There's nothing to contradict.
    well than delete that comment of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    lol...now thats just funny.

    you are telling me Earth and the world we live in as a normal place as all the universe. The rest of the universe is made mostly from plasma...here on Earth we barely see any plasma. There are black holes...dark matter...antimatter out there...huge magnetic fields, different density factors...strong gravitational fields...unimaginable here on Earth...
    No, YOU are the one that's unbelivebly funny! Who told you all that stuff??? Just what makes you think that alters the physical laws?????
    Last edited by Read-Only; 09-29-07 at 03:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Read-Only View Post
    No, YOU are the one that's unbelivebly funny! Who told you all that stuff??? Just what makes you think that alters the physical laws?????
    I don't say physical laws are altered, not all are discovered just yet. And most importantly the laws combining magnetic field forces and gravitational forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    I don't say physical laws are altered, not all are discovered just yet. And most importantly the laws combining magnetic field forces and gravitational forces.
    Yes, you did imply they were altered/different. And what you're talking about right now aren't laws at all - they are relationships. Big, big difference.

    Question: have you finished your basic first 12 years of school yet?

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    ''lol...now thats just funny.

    you are telling me Earth and the world we live in as a normal place as all the universe. The rest of the universe is made mostly from plasma...here on Earth we barely see any plasma. There are black holes...dark matter...antimatter out there...huge magnetic fields, different density factors...strong gravitational fields...unimaginable here on Earth...''

    What i believe Draqon is trying to say is that some of the strangest things permeate the wide infinite cosmos... As i believe even Spock once said, ''It's life Jim, but not as we know it.''

    I don't think he was actually saying that the laws of physics can be changed at any given distence in the same universe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Read-Only View Post
    Yes, you did imply they were altered/different. And what you're talking about right now aren't laws at all - they are relationships. Big, big difference.

    Question: have you finished your basic first 12 years of school yet?
    you continue to insult me without any merit to back yourself up.
    If I have stated anything it is that we as humans have not discovered nearly enough knowledge and we do not know all the laws that govern the universe, I strongly believe that transuranic elements can exist more stable and longer periods of time in different conditions other than that what is around us. I am not going to share with you the information I have my hypothesis for this, because you are not worth my time.

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    Element 115

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    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Element 115
    Ununpentium, what about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    you continue to insult me without any merit to back yourself up.
    If I have stated anything it is that we as humans have not discovered nearly enough knowledge and we do not know all the laws that govern the universe, I strongly believe that transuranic elements can exist more stable and longer periods of time in different conditions other than that what is around us. I am not going to share with you the information I have my hypothesis for this, because you are not worth my time.
    There was no insult whatsoever. And the question about your schooling was an honest one. I've read many of your posts and have gotten the impression that you probably haven't finished school yet because there are many basic things that you don't seem to understand yet. And if that was the case I was prepared to cut you some slack because it took all of us some time to learn what we know. A good deal of what being discussed isn't even touched on until college.

    Now - want to try again, because I've got plenty of merit to back up what I'm saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Read-Only View Post
    There was no insult whatsoever. And the question about your schooling was an honest one. I've read many of your posts and have gotten the impression that you probably haven't finished school yet because there are many basic things that you don't seem to understand yet. And if that was the case I was prepared to cut you some slack because it took all of us some time to learn what we know. A good deal of what being discussed isn't even touched on until college.

    Now - want to try again, because I've got plenty of merit to back up what I'm saying.
    stop talking about me or what you think about me. Give me facts of this instability of transuranic elements and what proof you have that nowhere else in the universe can this stability be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    Ununpentium, what about it?
    Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Nope
    ?

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