Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory

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  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Here's an interesting story. Apparently the latest survey reveals that less than half of all published scientist now accept the theory or anthropogenic global warming.
     
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  3. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    For the non-believers, it is irresponsible to ignore data like this!


    "Sea ice in the Arctic continues its record decline, thanks to unusually cloud-free conditions and above-average temperatures. For August 21, the National Snow and Ice Data Center estimated that fully one third of the Arctic ice cap was missing, compared to the average levels observed on that date from 1979-2000. Sea ice extent was 4.92 million square kilometers on August 21, and the 1979-2000 average for the date was about 7.3 million square kilometers. Arctic sea ice has fallen below the record low absolute minimum of 4.92 million square kilometers set in 2005 by about 8%, with another 3-5 weeks of the melting season still remaining. Reliable records of sea ice coverage go back to 1979."

    http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2007/20070822_extent.png

    Sorry but it is happening now!


    :shrug::shrug:
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    That means the other half understand the data they see as true to their eyes and experiments. So why not err on the side of caution and do somethin to stop the spread of the pollution in our waters, air and lands so that we can live healthier lives as well as our future generations?
     
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  7. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Wake up America!
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Did you notice the .gov on the end of that address? It's the Inhofe Blog!

    James Mountain "Jim" Inhofe (born November 17, 1934) is a conservative American politician from Oklahoma. A member of the Republican Party, he currently serves as the senior Senator from Oklahoma. He is among the most vocal skeptics of climate change (global warming) in Congress. Inhofe often cites the Bible as the source for his stances on various political issues.

    Only Texas senator John Cornyn received more campaign donations from the oil and gas industry in the 2002 election cycle. The contributions Inhofe has received from the energy and natural resource sector since taking office have exceeded one million dollars.

    [wiki]


    This scumbag cannot be trusted to report anything correctly when it comes to science.
     
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  9. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Looks like his money is rooted deep in oil!
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Typical of global waming deniers, it's a deliberate campaign on the part of fossil fuel companies to distort the public debate.
     
  11. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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  12. oreodont I am God Registered Senior Member

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    Your link actually helps the original poster prove his point. You are mixing up global warming with other pollutants. It's a bit sad that those like yourself who advocate for action still don't know what you are advocating for but are more like a mob of mindless cultists.


    I agree with an above poster that it is better to err on the side of caution but, as a scientist myself, I don't put much credibiity into much of the science of global warming. There may be a human-based influence and it's best to mitigate that influence. However, once fudgy numbers are thrown into the mix and words like 'consensus' used then the word 'science' should be left out. There may be some good science out there on greenhouse gasses but there's so much garbage science that we are accepting one opinion or another more on some political or ideological agenda than really knowing anything about the nitty gritty science. I haven't sudied the properties of gas, thermodynamics, or drawn a carbon atom since first year university. Darn if I can wade through the complexities of a thousand variables interacting with eachother that make up the climate.

    I agree with reducing emissions as a precaution. I don't, however, equate the cult of global warming with science.
     
  13. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Warming is just part of the issue. Lets bring it all out and get particular about the particulates. This is just one piece of the puzzle!! There are hundreds of issues with this global problem we face!:shrug::shrug:
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    This is exactly the sort of confusion deliberately instigated by those with alot to lose if we ever stop burning fossil fuels. The science is well understood, and anthropocentric global warming is real. The link between CO2 and warming is clear.
     
  15. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Idiots like that never worked in a fossil power plant!
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think cat2only is saying that there is more than one reason to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels. It's not as if we can keep on using this stuff even if there isn't any global warming. Just the implications of peak oil mean that we are soon to hit an economic wall with this energy source.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    In a related story, Inhofe almost got shot today flying out of Iraq.
     
  18. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    More than one hunderd reasons to say the least! :shrug::shrug:
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The article you posted was not a survey of the opinions of published scientists, but a survey of the contents of scientific papers.

    To misrepresent it as a survey of a consensus of the best judgments of scientists is to badly mislead.

    Few scientific papers are published as endorsements. This is not a political arena, of votes and endorsements. To have 38% of published papers contain an explicit endorsement of a particular prediction is far more significant than to have no or neutral positions - normal positions on matters of uncertainty - in the majority remaining.

    btw: Weren't we just hearing about the oppression suffered by those who did not affirm Global Warming in their research? I could have sworn I read posts about how impossible it is for any poor scientist who does not toe the Global Warming line to get a fair hearing in the journals and among the grant granters. Must have been wax in my ears.
     
  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, Ice, Ice baby. Did you read the first paragraph?
    This study used the same methology as the often cited study by Naomi Oreskes. It was simply updating the findings. This study is no more or less misleading than that one.
     
  21. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    It did not say that the methodology was the same. It said the database was the same (odd considering parts of the database are probably outdated), and the "search terms" were the same (I suppose meaning the database was on some computer program and he looked at articles brought up by the terms).

    I'm curious what these articles are that "neither accept or reject the hypothesis". Could that mean that articles which say "there is a 90% chance of global warming being caused by man" were considered not accepting it?

    Assuming that is not the case, articles that don't say one thing or the other don't seem important. You can't have much content in the topic of whether man causes global warming without accepting or rejecting the idea...even for the most wishy-washy. If you can't support it while not rejecting it that means you don't have anything to add on the subject.

    The important thing is scientists who support it vastly outnumber those who do not. And it seems that those who reject it are almost all paid to do so.
     
  22. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    That's not necesarily true. A given paper might study the effects without going into the cause.
    That conclusion is completely unsupported by the facts. Furthermore, I'm sick of people dismissing any study they don't agree with because of who funded the study. That's nothing but an adhom.
     
  23. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    Right, which would mean it has nothing to say on the subject of whether humans are the cause, which is the consensus being referred to. In no way can an article that does not address causes of global warming be viewed counting towards whether scientists believe in man made global warming or not.

    The part about all those who reject the idea are being paid to do so? It does have support. Numerous topics on sciforums have noted this in the past.

    Or was it that I said the relevant thing was that only 6% disagreed? I'm assuming not, because it is backed up by your very source.

    It has to be worth noting that when people are selling their opinions when it comes to judging the value of the opinions. It wouldn't matter much if what was being discussed was the content of their ideas, but we were only discussing the number of scientists who support or oppose man made global warming.
     
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