What Electricity Really Is

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  1. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    What Electricity Is Really Made Of
    Theories of Ed Leedskalnin, inventor of coral castle in Florida.

    Backed up by experiments. You can buy his books and research his experiments
    yourself. They are real elementary physics experiments.

    I'll summarize what he found out by experimenting with magnets. Just like
    physics considers an electron or proton to be the smallest unit of electric
    charge, there is a smallest unit of magnetism which he calls north and south
    pole individual magnets. They are free to flow in metals, in the air and in
    other things. The iron shavings around a bar magnet trace their path. From
    the North end of a magnet, there are many north pole magnets flowing out and
    going around the outside of the magnet and coming into the south pole of the
    magnet and then running in the metal and returning to the North pole. From
    the South pole of the magnet, there are many south pole magnets flowing out
    and going around the outside of the magnet and going into the North pole and
    flowing through the metal and returing to the South pole. Some flow straight
    out from the poles and don't return, but are replaced by others from the
    air.


    Mineral, Vegetable and Animal Life, Copyright October 1945 By Edward
    Leedskalnin Quote:
    "The North pole magnets come out of the battery's positive terminal and
    South pole magnets come out of car battery's negative terminal. To be sure
    it is so, you get two pieces of soft steel welding rod four inches long, put
    them in clips and connect them with the car battery. Put those two loose rod
    ends together until the rod gets hot. Now test each of those rod ends you
    were putting together with a small needle-like horizontally hanging magnet.
    Then you will see the one which is connected with positive terminal is North
    pole magnet, and the one which is connected with negative terminal is South
    pole magnet (Like poles repulses, and unlike poles attract). You can change
    the rod peices, but every time the one is connected with positive terminal
    will be North pole magnet, and the one connected with negative terminal will
    be South pole magnet".

    Experimenting with small magnets hung over a wire carring a current he
    concludes this: Electricity is really north pole magnets flowing out from
    the + terminal of a battery and flowing through the wire with a right hand
    twist and there is an opposite flow of south pole magnets coming out of
    the - terminal of a battery and flowing in the wire with a right hand twist.
    Modern electronics developed with the theoretical notion of a positive
    current flowing through a wire, but this is only a way of thinking about
    electricity to describe and quantify its effects. There is no real positive
    current flowing through the wire, because protons will not flow through a
    wire like electricity. Free electrons in the wire only have a slow drift
    speed, so negative charge cannot flow through a wire like electricity
    either. This idea of opposing north and south pole magnetic units flowing
    through a wire might be what is really happening in an electric current.

    Summary: Electromagnetic theory needs to be reduced to just magnetism. It
    will always have contradictions until it is.

    Electron is really a south magnetic pole unit.

    Leedskalnin believed that electostatic force was really a magnetic force. He
    would describe an electrostatically charged piece of rubber this way: IN
    rubber the north and south pole magnetic units are not flowing like they are
    in a bar iron magnet, (he said the magnetic units flowing in an iron magnet
    are excess magnetic units that were added to the metal when it was
    magnetized) but in rubber they are stationary and they are the north and
    south pole magnetic forces that hold the rubber molecules together. This
    causes many small north and south magnetic poles on the same side of the
    rubber, and this is what causes the electrostatic charge. He proves this to
    be a magnetic force by
    attracting iron filings to an electrostatically charged rubber, and bringing
    a metal bar magnet near. When the bar magnet's poles are reversed by turning
    it to the other end, some of the iron filings jump off of the rubber. He
    believed the first approach of the bar magnet with its stronger field,
    reversed the magnetic fields of some of the iron filings and when the magnet
    was turned around, the magnetic fields repelled each other. He believed it
    was magnetic and not electrostatic.

    He also detected South pole magnetic units flowing upward and North pole
    magnetic units flowing downward in the northern hemisphere, by hanging a
    long magnet in the middle and the south pole end would always hang down. To
    make it level, the south pole end needed to be longer. -- magnetic
    declination of compass needles.

    Scientists cannot explain how Leedskalnin built coral castle. It was
    featured on IN Search of with Leonard Nimoy. He moved coral stones weighing
    as much as 28 tons with equipment designed to only lift 10 tons, and only
    lift it, not move it. People spying on him with binoculars signed sworn
    affidavits that they saw coral stones weighing tons, floating in the air
    like helium balloons.

    My best guess is: He put a strong negative electric charge on them, (at
    night to avoid the photo electric effect) and the Earth's magnetic field
    pushed up on them and they floated.

    According to him, a strong negative charge is really filling it with south
    magnetic pole units and the whole stone becomes a south magnetic monopole.

    I experimented and made a cement brick weighing 15 pounds, to weigh 13
    pounds. Did it twice and never tried it again.

    Here:
    Cement brick weighing 15 pounds on bathroom scale. Check bathroom scale to
    see that it will weigh the same if taken off and put back on the scale.
    Car battery charger rated at 20 amps.
    Experiment must be done on a dark night, to avoid the photoelectric effect
    of light knocking the electrons (south pole magnets as E. L calls them) off
    of the cement. I did it on a cold night. The colder temperature might help
    keep resistance lower. I used a flashlight; don't point it at the brick. Use
    it to see the scale reading. [Leedskalnin did his work at night.]
    Experiment done on cement pavement in my back yard.
    + terminal connected to a large metal T shaped pole stuck in the concrete
    pavement. (I reasoned that I should channel away plus charge to allow a good
    amount of negative charge to get on the brick; so I connected to the pole.
    Cement brick is sitting on the scale. Soak the cement brick and cement
    pavement (between brick and pole and under scale) with water to help
    conductivity of the current.
    The negative terminal is connected to the brick on the scale. Battery
    charger has clamps. Run the charger for 6 or 7 minutes or longer or shorter
    vary it to get results. Run the charger at the highest power it will go if
    you have power settings.
    This is the important part. How you break the connection. The current is
    going from the plus terminal down the pole through cement pavement up
    through scale and through brick to the negative clamp that is on the brick.
    Break the connection by taking the cement brick off the scale. Turn off
    current and take off clamp from brick. Put brick back on scale. Check the
    weight and see if it decreased any.
    I did this 6 years ago and am telling you this from memory.
    You might vary this a little. I may be forgetting some minute details.
    Maybe I held the brick as I turned off the current or maybe I put it down in
    some dry place and then picked it up to put on the scale. Maybe I kept
    holding it and put it right back on the scale without putting it down
    first. - don't remember. Play around with it and do it slightly different
    ways, and check the weight when you put it back on the scale. If there is a
    slight 2 lb lessening in weight. Take brick off scale. Put it down. Pick it
    up a little while later and put in on scale again. See if weight went back
    up to the original amount.
    I have this written down somewhere, but I am writing this from memory. Play
    around with it and see if you get the lessening in weight.
    I did it twice and got the same 2 lb lessening in weight.
    Checked the scale to see if it was faulty. The scale wasn't faulty. It gave
    an accurate repeatable reading.

    This experiment by Leedskalnin proves that magnetic monopoles do exist:

    Mineral, Vegetable and Animal Life, Copyright October 1945 By Edward
    Leedskalnin Quote:
    "The North pole magnets come out of the battery's positive terminal and
    South pole magnets come out of car battery's negative terminal. To be sure
    it is so, you get two pieces of soft steel welding rod four inches long, put
    them in clips and connect them with the car battery. Put those two loose rod
    ends together until the rod gets hot. Now test each of those rod ends you
    were putting together with a small needle-like horizontally hanging magnet.
    Then you will see the one which is connected with positive terminal is North
    pole magnet, and the one which is connected with negative terminal is South
    pole magnet (Like poles repulses, and unlike poles attract). You can change
    the rod peices, but every time the one is connected with positive terminal
    will be North pole magnet, and the one connected with negative terminal will
    be South pole magnet".

    Modern physics about magnetism and electricity would say that those welding
    rods, after being disconnected, should not turn a compass needle.
    Leedskalnin shows that they do and each of them is a monopole.
    That experiment shows that modern physics is wrong to think that there is no
    such thing as a magnetic monopole.

    That false assumption by science is what led to the invention of the
    electron. If there are no magnetic monopoles, then what is coming off the
    cathode in a cathode ray cannot be magnetic. So, J J thompson invented the
    electron to explain it. He should not have. Leedskalnin proves that
    monopoles exist with that experiment and what is coming off the cathode can
    be magnetic.
    Leedskanlnin's experiments showed that it is all magnetic, even what is
    flowing through the wire. He said, It is all magnetic, so where do these
    mysterious electron's come from?


    Electrons do exist, but they are really south magnetic pole units. [Smallest
    unit of south magnetic magnetism.]
    Leedskalnin would call an electron a south pole magnet.

    So what would be a proton. Maybe a neutron with a north pole magnet stuck to
    it?

    What would be a photon? Maybe a north and south pole magnet orbiting each
    other and the wave effect of light is the same wave effect in the
    particle/wave duality of small particles in quantum mechanics. The faster
    they orbit, the higher the energy (more mass) and shorter wavelength of the
    particle wave.-- This is all speculation, trying to match Leedskalnin's
    ideas to other parts of electro/magnetism.

    Atomic model. Nucleus is north pole magnets and neutrons with south pole
    magnets orbiting. -- maybe!

    Getting it right is important. It can lead to a new understanding, new
    experiments and new ways to use it.

    Leedskalnin apparently floated heavy coral stones on the earth's magnetic
    field because he understood it a different way.
    Note: Coral stone is full of cavities and maybe this will allow it to
    collect a higher charge.

    Give Leedskalnin a nobel prize posthumously.
    Leedskalnin had a 4th grade formal education and weighed about 97 lbs. His
    experiments are detailed, and repeatable, and reasonable. Science rejected
    his views. -- Who would listen to him if he said his experiments show J J
    Thompson to be wrong? [He mentioned that Thompson is wrong.]
    I'm glad he put Coral Castle there in Florida. It seems like he was going to
    show them that he was right by giving them a problem they can't figure out.
    Sort of like getting revenge on the scientific community for rejecting him.
    He taught himself about magnets and electricity. Read up on it and built his
    own generator.
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    And your question to the forum is exactly what?:shrug:
     
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  5. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I stopped even quick skim of the non-sensical post 1* when I hit following level of ignorance:

    "Summary: Electromagnetic theory needs to be reduced to just magnetism. It
    will always have contradictions until it is."

    It is hard to find any part of physics which is as contradiction free as that described by Maxwell's equations, which integrated the two previously separated fields of electricity and magnetism. About the only thing new in this area since then is the realization that EM packets are quantized and now called photons when in or near the frequencies of light, but this is an omission, not a contradiction in what Maxell developed.
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    * I usually enjoy reading non-sense. - It is more entertaining than what I already know and sometimes the opportunity for me to teach, which I especially like to do if there is a chance it will be appreciated rather than a wasted effort.
     
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  7. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    fallacy exposed.
    magnets can be made by rubbing magnets on soft steel.
    why does current need to be flowing to produce the effect if what you propose is true?
     
  8. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    All we really know about magnetism is it causes electrons to flow when motion is involved. We also know that flowing electrons cause magnetism! Why this happens is still a mystery! Perhaps,Ed Leedskalnin found out somthing else in the puzzle!!!????
     
  9. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    it's the opposite: magnetism (the two poles) causes the flow of electrons
     
  10. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Take a Permanet Magnet Generator (PMG) and run it across a copper wire or conductor and this causes electrons to flow in it (Current)! The opposite is also true. Take a copper coil with electrons flowing through it and wrap it around a iron bar many times and the bar becomes magnetized!
     
  11. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Ughh. More Leedskalin crap. The significance-junkies and mystery-mongers never give up.
     
  12. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    Electromagnetic theory is far from contradiction free. If you consider light as photon particles, to explain the photo electric effect, then it totally contradicts the wave nature of light. If you consider light as transverse waves of electric fields generating magnetic fields and vica versa, then it totally contradicts the photon particle nature of light.
    A couple of years ago I down loaded a whole page full of mathematical contradictions in electromagnetic theory. [It isn't hard to find. Get on metacrawler search engine and look up contradictions in electromagnetism or use words similar to that.]
    A guy on one of the scientific forums told me that if electromagnetic theory could be reduced to just magnetism, then Maxwell's equations would be more symmetrical.
     
  13. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    Look at the experiment. In physics a magnet is produced by direct current flowing through a coiled wire. If a bar of steel is placed in the coil, it will become a magnet with a north and south pole.
    Leedskalnin's eperiment does not use a coil, and the magnetized welding rods have only one pole. One is a completely north pole magnet, and the other is a completely south pole magnet. Accepted physics says that this is not possible. Accepted physics says you cannot have a piece of metal with only one magnetic pole. (a magnetic monopole)
    Accepted physics is wrong if that experiment is true.
    This has the implication that magnetic particles are flowing through the wire in electricity and what is coming off the cathode in a cathode ray tube is magnetic particles. So something called an electron did not need to be invented.
     
  14. CANGAS Registered Senior Member

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    I stopped reading your post even before I saw that you are the author, but if I were to fall upon it after stumbling upon a stray shard of cat poo, and in a brief moment glimpse it, I would wonder :

    what exactly are your concerns?

    Your concerns may be true. Your concerns may be as worthless as used peanut butter. But: what exactly are your objections?
     
  15. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I gave them in my post as:
    "It is hard to find any part of physics which is as contradiction free as that described by Maxwell's equations, which integrated the two previously separated fields of electricity and magnetism. "

    I.e. Both electricity and magnitism are very well understood.

    Trying to convert electricity into USELESS WORDS about "Magnets" (instead of highly useful and well confirmed EQUATIONS) is NONSENSE.
     
  16. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I read an interesting analysis that someone once wrote about Leedskalnin. In effect, it said that he was uneducated (something like the 4th grade is as far as he went in school) and that his version of electricity and magnetism was much like how a child would make up their own explanation of things observed.

    It would take a child-like mind to imagine tiny little magnets flowing through wires and producing the effects that electricity does. And it's quite easy to see how he came up with his line of reasoning if you try and view it through the eyes of an uneducated child.
     
  17. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I already noted that Maxwell's equations do not include quantum effect (but none of classical physics does - that does not require discard of F = ma, etc.)

    Maxwell's equations can easily be made symetric. (I have done so 40 years ago, but not sure I still could. - An interesting thing drops out when you do this as I recall. - There is a fixed relationship be the magnitude of the charge on the electron and that on the minium quantity of magnetic charge.)

    Maxwell's equations are not normally written in symetric form because there appears to be no need to do so since there is no evidence for the existence of a magnetic charge. I.e. elecrtic charge comes in + and - and if it existed, magnetic charge would also come in two units, N and S. As with electric charge, they also would be a quantized - have minium amount - which usually are called "monopoles.")
     

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