Palestinians---Peace---Oxymoron

[S.A.M.]

yeah, i heard that claim many times. its true that sharon brought the muslim brothers to be an opposition to the fatah, but that doesnt mean we created them. now you have blamed israel for funding fatah in this war, iran is supporting hamas, politically as well as financially and military. if i have to choose a worse group between the two for the palestinians it will be hamas, who sparked this whole thing and aim to create a muslim regime, then execute their "resistance" towered israel. the consequences of this road for the palestinians can be fatal. still, its palestinians who are firing on one another, not we this time.

Yeah right, civil war is not in Israel's interest.

First fund and arm fundamentalists, creating Hamas, now fund and arm Fatah, when Hamas is the elected government.

[Mr.Spock]

Yeah right, civil war is not in Israel's interest.

First fund and arm fundamentalists, creating Hamas, now fund and arm Fatah, when Hamas is the elected government.

and this serves our purpose how?

[otheadp]

sam the guy who drew that map is/was delusional

[S.A.M.]

and this serves our purpose how?

See the map.

[S.A.M.]

sam the guy who drew that map is/was delusional

If you strip away all the propaganda and look at the reality that faces both groups on a DAILY basis, its pretty clear what the facts are.

[Mr.Spock]

See the map.

ha? how is them fighting each other serves our purpose? its only bad for us in the end, so why would we want such a thing?

[S.A.M.]

ha? how they them fighting each other serves our purpose? its only bad for us in the end, so why would we want such a thing?

Too bad not everyone thinks so far into the future as you do.

[Mr.Spock]

Too bad not everyone thinks so far into the future as you do.

i assure you, im not the only one who thinks this way, i dont see the logic in your argument, the longer the situation with the palestinians reminds unresolved, the more it will get bad for us.

[Buffalo Roam]

So basically sam you are saying that the Palestinians are so stupid that the Israelis can play them one against the other?

I would have to agree, plus the fact that they will accept any help from anyone even their enemies to screw each other to gain control of the money, to control the power.

That seem to be a failing of the Arab mind, to be the big shot, I will accept the help of my enemy to subjugate my fellow Arabs, my enemy isn't so bad that I won't kill my own with their help so I can be Numro Uno.

Isn't that what al Qaida is doing? subjugating the rest on the Islamic faith to their will first, and in the end their are pissing off the Iraqis who are finally realizing that the Foreign al Qaida fighters are killing more Iraqis than the U.S., that al Qaida is killing more Iraqis than they are Americans.

[S.A.M.]

So basically sam you are saying that the Palestinians are so stupid that the Israelis can play them one against the other?

I would have to agree, plus the fact that they will accept any help from anyone even their enemies to screw each other to gain control of the money, to control the power.

That seem to be a failing of the Arab mind, to be the big shot, I will accept the help of my enemy to subjugate my fellow Arabs, my enemy isn't so bad that I won't kill my own with their help so I can be Numro Uno.

Isn't that what al Qaida is doing? subjugating the rest on the Islamic faith to their will first, and in the end their are pissing off the Iraqis who are finally realizing that the Foreign al Qaida fighters are killing more Iraqis than the U.S., that al Qaida is killing more Iraqis than they are Americans.

Enjoy your fantasies.

[S.A.M.]

i assure you, im not the only one who thinks this way, i dont see the logic in your argument, the longer the situation with the palestinians reminds unresolved, the more it will get bad for us.

Obviously it has to get worse than it has been for the last 60 years at least for Israel, before any resolution will seriously be considered; they are still busy playing off factions against each other.

[Mr.Spock]

Enjoy your fantasies.

getting your information from sites who use the word holohaux, i have to say the fantasies are all yours.

[Mr.Spock]

Obviously it has to get worse than it has been for the last 60 years at least for Israel, before any resolution will seriously be considered; they are still busy playing off factions against each other.

when one aspirations is power, resolution isnt a solution. if this will continue a war between israel and the palestinians is imminent.

[S.A.M.]

when one aspirations is power, resolution isnt a solution. if this will continue a war between israel and the palestinians is imminent.

Imminent? I think you should know the Palestinians have been living under occupation for over 60 years.

[S.A.M.]

getting your information from sites who use the word holohaux, i have to say the fantasies are all yours.

I think people who bring the Holocaust into every conversation to justify Israeli oppression show poor taste and a lack of respect for the people who suffered; especially considering that they are doing the same thing that was done to the Holocaust victims. Imprisonment, starvation, torture, walling into a camp and murder.

[Mr.Spock]

I think people who bring the Holocaust into every conversation to justify Israeli oppression show poor taste and a lack of respect for the people who suffered; especially considering that they are doing the same thing that was done to the Holocaust victims. Imprisonment, starvation, torture, walling into a camp and murder.

thats ironic considering you yourself brought the holocaust to this discussion to justify the civil war between the palestinians, and in the same breath compare whats happening today to the holocaust.

[Mr.Spock]

Imminent? I think you should know the Palestinians have been living under occupation for over 60 years.

60 years? i thought it was 40.....care to explain what you meant?

[S.A.M.]

thats ironic considering you yourself brought the holocaust to this discussion to justify the civil war between the palestinians, and in the same breath compare whats happening today to the holocaust.

Nope, the Warsaw ghetto was not the Holocaust. Just another Gaza.

[Mr.Spock]

Nope, the Warsaw ghetto was not the Holocaust. Just another Gaza.

do you hold any historical knowledge of the holocaust?

Plans to isolate the Jewish population of Warsaw and its nearby suburbs in a ghetto first circulated immediately after the German occupation of Poland in 1939. At the time, the German administration of the General Government had not been fully organized, and there were conflicting interests among the three major players: the civilian administration, the military, and the SS. Under these circumstances, the Jewish Council, or Judenrat, headed by Adam Czerniaków, was able to delay the establishment of the Ghetto by one year, mainly by appealing to the military to consider how Jews were a valuable labor resource. The Jewish were rounded up and allocated a scrubby flat and given little food.

The Warsaw Ghetto was established by the German Governor-General Hans Frank on October 16, 1940. At this time, the population of the Ghetto was estimated to be 440,000 people, about 37% of the population of Warsaw. However, the size of the Ghetto was about 4.5% of the size of Warsaw. Nazis then closed off the Warsaw Ghetto from the outside world on November 16th that year, building a wall.

During the next year and a half, Jews and Roma people [1] from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhoid) and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 253 kcal, compared to 2,325 kcal for gentile Poles and 5,613 kcal for German people. The life in the ghetto was chronicled by the Oyneg Shabbos group. In 1942 Polish resistance fighter Jan Karski reported to the Western governments on the situation in the Ghetto and on the extermination camps.

Thousands of residents died due to rampant disease or starvation, as well as random killings, even before the Nazis began massive deportations of the inhabitants from the Ghetto's Umschlagplatz to the Treblinka extermination camp. In the 52 days before September 12, 1942, about 300,000 Ghetto residents were sent to the extermination camps and killed there. By the end of 1942, it was clear that the deportations were to their deaths, and many of the remaining Jews decided to fight.

you might have noticed the word death camps more then once i hope?

[Buffalo Roam]

samcdkey

Imprisonment, starvation, torture, walling into a camp and murder.

A very apt description of what the Palestinians are doing right now to themselves,

samcdkey

Nope, the Warsaw ghetto was not the Holocaust. Just another Gaza.

Again sam bringing apples and oranges together, what the hell does the Warsaw Ghetto have to do with the way the Palestinians are killing each other? there was no open war among the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto, they weren't killing each other for political controal, the few weapons they had were turned on the Germans, not on each other.