e^pi is an irrational no.

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by plakhapate, May 28, 2007.

  1. plakhapate Banned Banned

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    It is well known e^(i x A) = Cos A + i Sin A

    Put A = Pi

    e^(i x Pi) = Cos (Pi) + i Sin (Pi)

    e^(i x Pi) = -1

    Therefore e^ (Pi) = (-1)^(1/ i)

    This is an Irrational number.

    Any comment.

    P.J.LAKHAPATE
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  3. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    I don't doubt that e^pi is irrational, but I don't follow your logic... you haven't shown that (-1)^1/i (=-1^-i) is irrational.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    How does that follow?
     
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  7. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Taking i-th roots on both sides, apparently. But those are kind of difficult to well-define, so I'm not sure it's legit.
     
  8. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    He's basically just taking the fact that \(e^{\pi i=-1\) and taking the \(i\)th root of both sides... whatever that means, I have no idea.

    I guess we could do something like this:

    \(e^{\pi i=-1\)
    \(e^{\pi i*i=(-1)^{i}\)
    \(e^{-\pi=(-1)^{i}\)
    \(e^{\pi}=\frac{1}{(-1)^{i}}\)

    I think these steps are legitament. But, this doesn't prove the number in question is irrational.
     
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  9. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Hilbert explicitly questioned whether \(e^\pi\) and \({\sqrt 2}^{\sqrt 2} \) are irrational in his seventh problem:
    (Prove that) "the expression \(\alpha^{\beta}\), for an algebraic base \(\alpha\) and an irrational algebraic exponent \(\beta\) , e. g., the number \({\sqrt 2}^{\sqrt 2} \) or \(e^\pi = i^{-2i}\), always represents a transcendental or at least an irrational number."

    The problem was partially solved in 1934 and again in 1935 by Gelfond and Schneider, respectively. Both numbers are transcendental by the Gelfond-Schneider Theorem. The transcendental number \(e^\pi\) is called Gelfond's constant while \({\sqrt 2}^{\sqrt 2} \) is the Gelfond–Schneider constant.
     
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