Can War be Stopped?

[Oli]

Not planning on sharing it?

Letting someone close enough to damage me again. (ooh I feel so much better for that ).
Not a secret really.

[one_raven]

through my martial training i have come to the conclusion that mental hardship and physical hardship are linked.

Without a doubt.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Human nature is basically violent, because thought is violent. Anything that is born out of thought is destructive. You may cover it up with all wonderful and romantic phrases: ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’ Don’t forget that in the name of ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself’ millions and millions of people have died, more than in all the recent wars put together. But we now have come to a point where we can realize that violence is not the answer, that it is not the way to solve human problems. So, terror seems to be the only way. I am not talking of terrorists blowing up churches, temples, and all that kind of thing, but the terror that if you try to destroy your neighbour you will possibly destroy yourself. That realization has to come down to the level of the common man.

i agree with alot of this post but not.


"because thought is violent. Anything that is born out of thought is destructive."



i dont believe everything born out of thought is destructive. i believe alot can be constructive.


peace.

[one_raven]

Letting someone close enough to damage me again.

Understood.

That's one of the hardest ones to overcome.
Much worse than Sam's silly fear of rats.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Without a doubt.

there is seperation among the 2, but they are bound together also


peace.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Understood.

That's one of the hardest ones to overcome.
Much worse than Sam's silly fear of rats.

although i did read in the newspaper last week that in some place they have reported rats the size of dogs, that actualy attack you.




peace.

[one_raven]

there is seperation among the 2, but they are bound together also

I couldn't agree more.

I think there are three aspects, actually.
I don't have time to get into it right now, but one day I will post my "Trinity of Self" idea.

[Oli]

The size of dogs?

[Oli]

I don't have time to get into it right now, but one day I will post my "Trinity of Self" idea.

Please do so. The more I read of your posts the more I come to appreciate them.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

I couldn't agree more.

I think there are three aspects, actually.
I don't have time to get into it right now, but one day I will post my "Trinity of Self" idea.

i will be interested to read this.


peace.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

The size of dogs?

yeah apparently very big like none ever found before. i will try to find the report online now, it was only a report in the newspaper, it was on some island.



they didnt show any pictures though, i dont know how credible it is, but i wouldent think it was a complete lie.

peace.

[Oli]

Small dogs, probably. When I first read it I thought "Alsatian", but maybe not.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2312143.html

maybe this is the same report.


peace.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Small dogs, probably. When I first read it I thought "Alsatian", but maybe not.

haha no i doubt that big, but apparently they are very violent and scary.

peace.

[lixluke]

you may have noticed i bailed out of the "debate" earlyer because it was going nowhere.

Ya bull crap. Everybody knows that your arguments were so pathetic that I told you to get lost, and you ran away screaming like a little girlie girl woo woo girlie girl.

Disagree.

Reason:
Your facts doesnt supported by reference (yet).

Question #1: Could you provide reference?

I have stated this many times, and need no longer point out the idioticy of your precious reference requests.
They are irrelevant. Learn logic. References have nothing to do with the argument. Providing a reference does nothing for the argument. Not providing a reference changes nothing.
“If there is a reference, it must be true” attitude goes to show that you do not really know what logic means, and that you would rather have references do your thinking for you instead of thinking for yourself. I am not saying that there are no circumstances in which references are needed. However, using references to try to prove or disprove a logical point that has nothing to do with references is plain patheticism. References are usually important for things such as statistics and historical events. This happened in history, and here are the references. These are the statistics, and here are the references. On the other hand, you probably refuse to accept that 1 +1 =2 without crying for a reference to prove it. “Please provide a reference. 1 + 1 =2 is not true unless you provide a reference.”

FACTS REMAIN:
War can be eliminated.
Poverty can be eradicated.
Human on human violence can be eliminated.
Harmony can be achieved globally.

If you disagree with these statements, fine. For the sake of this discussion, provide some real points as to why you feel they are flawed. Claiming that they are flawed because they have no reference is illogical, gay, and pathetic. Not having a reference does not make these facts flawed. Go learn some logic.

I have many example of facts where war and violence were practical

Wow lots of examples, and no point = pointless.
I have already addressed this. Do you not even know how to read?
I shall repost:

Here is what is relevant.
1. It is easy to point out the many benefits that war brings to people.
2. It is also easy to point out the many problems that war brings to people.
Both sides can sit there for the rest of their life giving all kinds of minimeandering examples to support their side.

Provide some examples in which war benefited somebody. Provide some examples in which peace benefited somebody. Who really cares? You claim that you disagree with the facts I presented:

War can be eliminated.
Poverty can be eradicated.
Human on human violence can be eliminated.
Harmony can be achieved globally

Do your examples prove them wrong? No. Are any of your examples in any way shape or form relevant to your position that these facts are wrong? No with a capital h-e-l-l.

Wow lets give an example of how Dutch used war to benefit. Therefore, war as it stands can never be eliminated. Perhaps you should go to the jungle, and search the bushes for some logic.

Question #2: : If your country being unfairly treated and there is nothing the
world (the UN, the neighbouring countries) could do, or there is something
they could do but they dont want to, or there is something they could do
but fail, what will you do?

Irrelevant. This question has nothing to do with the issue. Your position is that war cannot be eliminated. Nothing within this question proves that war cannot be eliminated. Nothing in this question has an effect on the position that war can be eliminated. Here is the answer: Eliminate war, and come up with peaceful solutions.


I would love to answer the rest of your questions, but there really is no point.

Consider the following:
1. Slavery (ownership, buying/selling) human beings has been abolished on planet earth for the most part. Sure there are some exceptions in which slavery continues to be practiced. But for the most part, what once was a normal daily aspect of human social interactions, is now virtually unheard of on this planet. Were there idiots that said that slavery would never be eliminated, and will always exist in our every day lives? Yes. Tons and tons of morons said this. Yet we managed to abolish it for good. Can slavery make a come back? It is possible, but very unlikely. Can I prove any of this? No because nobody can prove the future.

2. Can anybody prove that war will or will not be abolished for good? No, but we can provide intellectual speculation. We can provide reasons why it should be abolished. We can provide intelligent reasons about why action should be taken to abolish war, and keep it abolished like slavery.

3. Now back to the brain. My question has not been answered about how we as grown adults should use our brains.
A. Use this great computer in our head that Jesus gave us to come up with intelligent practical ideas on how we can abolish war.
B. Use this great computer in our head that Jesus gave us to come up with girlie excuse after girlie excuse of why war cannot be abolished.

What is better use of the brain? Let me grow up, and come up with intelligent ideas. Or let me act like a little girl, and come up with idiotic excuses. Answer why you would rather use your brain to come up with girlie excuses than use it to come up with intelligent practical solutions for this problem.

“Ooh I am too much of a little girl to solve the problem of war. Therefore, I will come up with gay pathetic excuses about why war will always exist and human nature this and greed that and blah blah blah waa waa waa.”

I'm sure you can sit there all day using your brain to come up with many great and wonderful intellectual reasons why war can never be eliminated. Good for you. Hope you enjoy yourself.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Ya bull crap. Everybody knows that your arguments were so pathetic that I told you to get lost, and you ran away screaming like a little girlie girl woo woo girlie girl.

yup, your adult debating skills are too much for me. you win the debate because we are all illogical,

your a troll,


peace.

[lixluke]

yup, your adult debating skills are too much for me.

We are aware of this. Therefore, get lost like you did the last time.

[EmptyForceOfChi]

We are aware of this. Therefore, get lost like you did the last time.

the only thing i get lost in is the outward projection of bullshit that is your minds excuse for logic.


peace.

[lixluke]

the only thing i get lost in is

an empty brain.

[S.A.M.]

If no one is afraid, what is pretty useless?

The argument of overcoming fear. Your underlying assumption appears to be freedom from fear = freedom of action, and I agree, but there is no reason the action should be beneficial or even good, it can quite easily be a selfish or sociopathic action. Power trips are pretty common in those who give a damn.