12-20-11, 10:05 PM #61
What the hell kind of idiotic question is this? Prove the moon exists. . .
12-20-11, 10:25 PM #62
Latest Illuminati News in the European press. . .
Apparently someone is taking UN General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon, Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Giancarlo Bruno, who is identified as head of the banking industry for the World Economic Forum, Italy's ambassador to the UN Cesare Maria Ragaflini, Ray C. Dam, president of the Office of International Treasury Control, and David A. Sale, the deputy chief of the council for the cabinet of the OITC to court. Unfortunately, the courts themselves are all run by these guys. So what do you do when the game is rigged? lol
I don't know. If you were gambling at a casino, and you found out the casino had been cheating you for sixty years, and owed you money for sixty years, what would you do? Looks like WWIII is in the offing if the rest of the World doesn't get their gold. Which is fine I think, because that is what the "Illuminati" have been trying to start anyway. But it is really hard to get your people to fight a war if they knew the truth, right? It's a lot easier to convince them it is about Iran, and not stolen Chinese gold from 60 years ago. lol
Bizarre Claim for $1 Trillion
And that, as they say, is just the tip of the Iceberg.
12-20-11, 10:35 PM #63
12-21-11, 08:15 AM #64
The luminaries run the world and pick the presidents; oooo scary stuff! What is really scary is the last 3 presidents Clinton - Bush - Obama that they picked. This indicates that the luminaries must be schizophrenic, there is no consistency ideology.
I noticed a bunch of luminaries in our neighbors yard, but luckily it just because they were having a party - I though it was the big One World Goverment take over for a minute and started searching for the black helocopters!
12-21-11, 08:27 AM #65
12-21-11, 10:42 AM #66
12-21-11, 03:12 PM #67
Well, like it or not, it's true.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Carroll Quigley (November 9, 1910 – January 3, 1977) was an American historian and theorist of the evolution of civilizations. He is noted for his teaching work as a professor at Georgetown University, for his academic publications, and for his research on secret societies.
This is the only man to ever have access to the Council on Foriegn Affairs secret historical archives, whom the men you have previously mentioned, have all been members, associate members, have lectured in front of, or written for.
In fact, both Clinton and Obama have stated that their favorite book is his magnum opus, Tragedy and Hope; A History of the World in Our Time
How about a quote from this book, shall we?
"...[T]he powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. this system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations....
"It must not be felt that these heads of the world's chief central banks were themselves substantive powers in world finance. They were not. Rather, they were the technicians and agents of the dominant investment bankers of their own countries, who had raised them up and were perfectly capable of throwing them down. The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers (also called 'international' or 'merchant' bankers) who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks. this dominance of investment bankers was based on their control over the flows of credit and investment funds in their own countries and throughout the world. They could dominate the financial and industrial systems of their own countries by their influence over the flow of current funds though bank loans, the discount rate, and the re-discounting of commercial debts; they could dominate governments by their own control over current government loans and the play of the international exchanges. Almost all of this power was exercised by the personal influence and prestige of men who had demonstrated their ability in the past to bring off successful financial coupes, to keep their word, to remain cool in a crisis, and to share their winning opportunities with their associates."
Here's a synopsis of the book. . .
And I'm given to understand, this is the book. . . Public libraries do not carry this, and you hardly find it in any book store, it must be special ordered.
Tragedy and Hope
A History of the World in Our Time
I dig this resource. Unlike others, when people speak of an "Illuminati," they think it means a regimented order with one objective, and it has singular agreed upon goals.
My take is that it has a more loose interpretation. It can mean many things to many people. Basically, it is a loose confederation of very powerful men who all agree that society is best ruled by secretive elite groups passing on their power, mainly via heredity lines, and by internal agreements by who should be let in through a basis of marriages and family ties. It is about money and power, not the welfare of the earth and all of humanity.
12-21-11, 08:21 PM #68
12-21-11, 10:04 PM #69
Paranoia "is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion."
To the latter, I may be guilty, so I am always on guard, and I come here often for a reality check. There are many skeptics that I am very grateful to that have helped keep me on that straight and narrow. Please, feel free to check my sources and tell me what you think.
As time passes though, the world is unraveling, because there are very real covert interest groups. You do know what an interest group is don't you? Well, there ARE interest groups that do seek to remain anonymous because it helps to further their goals more efficiently. This has always been the case through out the history of civilization. If you are in denial of this, you are simply being obtuse.
Do you really think the Boston Tea party was the act of Native Americans? Or were you aware that almost all politicians in the cause for liberty in the newly formed United States were Free Masons? They initiated a secretive populist movement. . . among tradesmen, called, The Sons of Liberty. Have you ever heard of this movement? It's not so much of a secret now. Back then, if you were a loyalist, a fellow loyalist would have called you, "paranoid," had you dared utter such nonsense.
It would be instructive of you to understand how power, realpolitik operates.
In large measure, the elites move masses of people the same as they have always done, and it is the same families, for very much the same reasons.
When I was in grade school, I read a book titled, Johnny Tremain, by Esther Forbes. It's a wonderful propaganda piece, by one of our very own ruling elite families. I highly recommend it. When I was a child, I didn't understand the significance of it till I reread it as an adult. I don't know why it is considered a classic. It's very poorly written. It has many sentence fragments, and poor grammar. Nothing like it could be published today. Yet. . . well, maybe you are right, maybe I am just paranoid. Yet in the seventies, it was taught in schools. Go read it, get an education.
12-31-11, 11:08 AM #70
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12-31-11, 07:06 PM #73
Maybe the absence of a handshake is the secret sign.
Obama once wrote that Bush wouldn't shake his hand, but offered hand sanitizer.
With all the money they've got, you would think they'd be using something a little more sophisticated than a hand shake.
03-25-12, 06:52 PM #74
George Washington letters/illuminati in the U.S. and he was glad for it
I have many links and videos including tape recordings and manuscripts from David Rockefellers memoirs as well as letters from George Washington in 1798 saying he was happy that the illuminati was in the u.s.
They said I have to have 20 posts until I can post links. I've never heard of such a dumb thing.
03-25-12, 07:48 PM #75
@The Esotericist --
I clicked your links, I've done massive amounts of research, but yet I came to a completely different conclusion than you did. What does that tell you?
03-28-12, 11:58 PM #76
03-29-12, 07:22 AM #77
04-17-12, 05:15 PM #78
There are many secret and powerful people in the world, but I highly doubt they all go by the name of "illuminati."
Let's look at drug lords and governments that practice prohibition of drugs. The governments that are anti-drug conduct raids that increase the price of the drugs by cutting down on the supply. The really smart/cautious drug lords that don't get caught love to see their competition taken out by drug raids...
If illegal drugs were made legal the price would drop and drug addicts would stop robbing and plundering their neighbors just to get money to pay for their drugs, instead they would be able to cultivate their own supply without causing problems for other people. If drugs were legal, addiction would only hurt those doing the drugs...