Born Temporarily Gay

[Woody]

Old Proverb: Sowing Wild Oats

When I was in my younger days we had a proverbial expression called "Sowing Wild Oats." It applied to people in their teens and 20s that went through a wild phase then left it behind. It's been around a long time -- much longer than the "immutably born gay" template -- and it's still here, showing that not everyone is "born gay" anymore than they are born drug addicts, or born alchoholics, or just "born promiscuous."

I think my whole generation went through it (I'm a boomer). We experimented with booze, drugs, and sex. Some went even further into bisexual and gay sex -- most giving it up years later while a few others stayed in it. There were the hippie communes, the wild parties, etc., etc. I even thought I was having fun doing some of that stuff.

Anne Heche is a more modern day example of it. Some of her quotes:

Suddenly, I knew what I was here to do, and I knew it the moment I saw this glorious woman, Ellen DeGeneres, across the room."

-Anne Heche, from the Advocate, April 30, 2000

When Heche and Degeneres appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show to discuss their newfound relationship, Heche stunned everyone (including Oprah) by stating, "I was not gay before I met her."

Heche, who said her father was gay, told everyone that it was time she lived her life "truthfully."

Heche to an OUT magazine interviewer:

"People, and children especially, need to know that there aren't any rules about what you should feel safe to explore in your own heart. I don't consider myself to be straight. And I don't consider myself to be a lesbian--though I'm by no means ashamed of it. Yes, I'm gay. I'm in a gay relationship. I just don't like any terminology."

Heche has now chosen to be heterosexual and to prove it she got married on last Saturday to Coleman Laffron, a Hollywood cameraman she met while working on a project with then lover Ellen. Was she secretly dreaming of a white, heterosexual Christmas while she was with Ellen? If she was, then can we theorize that many gay people really do want to be straight, but just haven't found the right cameraman/woman yet?

-- D.L Foster


If Anne was coming up in the 60s or the 70s we'd be saying yet another one "sowed her wild oats." It's not PC now days I suppose.

Lou Reed wrote a song about it called Walk on the Wild Side.

Well here are some more "Famous Annie" quotes:

http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/312971

Aug. 25: The tabloids say the Big Breakup was caused by Heche's renewed attraction to men, specifically, her former co-star Vince Vaughn.

http://www.hollywood.com/feature/id/471860

Heche contended on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" in 1997: "I was not gay before I met [Ellen.] It wasn't immediately a sexual attraction."

After leaving Ellen:

"I'm not crazy, but it's a crazy life. I was raised in a crazy family and it took 31 years to get the crazy out of me."

-Anne Heche


Well I guess it's somebody's word against Anne's. She sewed some wild oats and moved on with her life. Anne said she had to develop her same sex attraction with Ellen. She never had that attraction before, and shows no signs of interest in any other female. Hmmmmmm.

The old familiar root cause for sexual "diversity"-- She was molested by her father:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...anne.heche.ap/

One of the things I've learned," Heche says, "is my story is one of millions ... children who are neglected, abused, treated badly."
In her 2001 autobiography, "Call Me Crazy," Heche revealed that she had been molested as a child by her father, a secretly gay strict Baptist who died of AIDS in 1983.

Then after leaving Ellen she married a man:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1522840.stm

When Annie talks about changing sexual orientation who needs a fundamentalist preacher?

[IceAgeCivilizations]

She just did it for publicity, right?

[BenTheMan]

soo....what's your point?

[Woody]

She just did it for publicity, right?

She turned lesbian for publicity you say?

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Who knows?

[S.A.M.]

Sounds like she's bisexual; its not unusual.

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Are you born bisexual?

[Woody]

Sounds like she's bisexual; its not unusual.

How was she only attracted to Ellen? How did she lose interest?

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Maybe she thought that Ellen is more beautiful than men and other women, but then changed her mind.

[Mosheh Thezion]

ITS EASIER TO BE GAY..... thats makes them victums.

being straight... comes with children.... THATS ALOT HARDER.

-MT

[Bells]

ITS EASIER TO BE GAY..... thats makes them victums.

being straight... comes with children.... THATS ALOT HARDER.

-MT

Ermmm having seen my gay friends put up with the prejudices that exist in society (eg. from people like you), and being a parent and straight myself, I can assure you that a homosexual person has it a lot harder.

Parenthood and being straight is not hard when one compares the horrors some people have to face because they are homosexuals. For example, a straight parent is less likely to be bashed up for being straight and a parent. A homosexual, however, is more likely to be beaten up because they are homosexual.

[Woody]

Maybe she thought that Ellen is more beautiful than men and other women, but then changed her mind.

So beauty causes it.

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, plus, maybe Ellen gave her a bunch of money.

[Woody]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, plus, maybe Ellen gave her a bunch of money.

So money caused it.

[IceAgeCivilizations]

It seems reasonable to me, since Ann "switched back" after a relatively short stint of gayness.

[IceAgeCivilizations]

If you're "born gay," then how can you "switch back?"

[Woody]

If you're "born gay," then how can you "switch back?"

Are you saying the "born gay" template doesn't work?

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Does Ann say she was born gay?

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Oh I see, Ann says she was not gay before she met Ellen, so Ann was born straight, then went gay, then switched back, so that obviously breaks the "born straight" template, and you would assume the vice-versa would be true as well.

[iceaura]

According to the most careful researchers, women do not seem to be sexually oriented in the same way men are.

There's a thread on it.

So Ms Heche may not even have been "sowing wild oats" - but instead simply behaving normally and responsibly.

Just as the past middle-aged Ted Haggard was not exactly indulging the wild oats of confused youth.

And "born straight" men can have, and enjoy, gay sex just as "born gay" men can father children - but it doesn't change their orientation. Wire them up and show them porn, and the differences in response are obvious - even in men who have never "behaved" in such ways at all.