Capitalism may not be the best, but does socialism work?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Fungezoid, Mar 22, 2007.

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Which do you think is better, socialism or capitolism?

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  1. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    Capitalism may have flaws, but let's look at socialism. Exactly how many examples are there of a socialist nation thats industrial prowess exceeds an industrial capitolist nation? Or tyhe average standard of living? Let's see... In Russia, more than half of their population was starving, while we over in the U.S. were living high on the hog? Now, let's look at a more tragic example. Jonestown, for instance. They tried it, and what did it get them? All dead is what! And no, it isn't just the mad leader who screws up the perfect system, but the system is inherently flawed. What about modern socialism? Germany, Sweeden, Norway- all of them ruined by socialism. They were once world powers, but now look at them, weak, snivvelign nations who need the capitolist system to keep them going. If it wasn't for the U.S. and out grain output, they would all be starveing becuase of a simple reason. That reason is that CAPITOLISM DOESN'T WORK!!!
     
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  3. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    Oops...

    Sorry guys, I misspelled socialism. Really OOPS...

    bY THE WAY, ADD A FEW COMMENTS PLEASE
     
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  5. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Sicilians think so.
     
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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    You misspelled capitalism a few times.

    I suggest you get firefox 2. It has a spell check built in.
     
  8. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Claiming that capitalism does not work, but ideally it would, is the same thing as saying that about communism.

    1. It doesn't matter who produces the goods for the society, anybody doing so must adhere to strict environment protecion.

    Capitalism basically means that people are allowed to produce the stuff (clothes, food, rollerblades, etc.). What ends up happening is the government contracts and purchases "stuff" from people. A line has to be drawn. The government has no right to purchase item of Brand-X from Company-A, and not from Company-B.
     
  9. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    How about this...it's never been tried before and it's pretty effing radical...

    Let people do what they want.
     
  10. hug-a-tree Live the life Registered Senior Member

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    You know, I don't know which one is better but I don't think that either one is perfect, of course.
     
  11. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    It's not the system it's the MORONS.

    The majority of people are too stupid for anything to work.

    A system based on lies will ultimately crap out. 37 years after the moon landing we are supposed to believe the economics profession hasn't the vaguest idea if planned obsolescence is going on in automobiles. I have a computer book from 2001 talking about the planned obsolescence of computer software.

    American Corporate Consumerism depends on consumers being dumber than economists.

    I didn't vote. I don't hear the people claiming to be capitalists saying that accounting/personal finance should be mandatory in the schools. I don't hear the socialists saying that either.

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  12. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Capitalism will give you something to do and want. It also creates jealousy, zest, desire, Gluttony, greed, evil, e.t.c Basic human feelings and principles. Socialism will only curb competition and arrive at a stagnant economy. Virtually all countries operate the two economic conditions, but not equally. The best policy is a little bit of both, but more towards capitalism. I think poorer countries should lean more towards socialism, as to develop infrastructure, increase productivity, and unity.
     
  13. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Then nothing can stop anybody from doing whatever they want to others. As the system is now, only the plutocracy is allowed to do whatever they want to others. Preferably 0 people would be allowed to do whatever they want to others. However, keeping it minimal is better than allowing everybody to do what they want to others.
     
  14. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    And by the way, yes, it does.
     
  15. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    For Heaven's sake, a government has the right to do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't involve torture or genocide. If you want to have a perfect government, go to Iran. Isn't it great, as full of religious fanatics as it is? In fact, in a few days, they would to send you to an even more perfect government... one that's ruled by God and angels are the senators.

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  16. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    The trouble is we keep using the term CAPITALISM in this post-Freudian world. Before 1900 there were no computer generated graphics designed by psychologists. Maybe Corporate Consumerism would be better.

    But you don't hear economists suggesting mandatory accounting in our schools. How does that contradict any principles of capitalism.

    Maybe we should call it von Neumannism because of all ot the Game Theory aspects.

    "All warfare is based on deception." - Sun Tzu ["The Art of War" 500BC]

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    psik
     
  17. RAW2000 suburban Registered Senior Member

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    I think Its time governments sat down and concentrated on a way to replace them selves with a better system. Hopefully somthing with capped maxium incomes so people stop being so self serving, and somthing with alot of robots doing the boring work.
    The current systems getting a bit rotten, and overly defensive a bit like a wild-animal cornered.
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    You don't get it. The reason why most people have a drive to create and invent is for the purpose of personal gain. Remove the object of unimaginable gain and you remove the impetus that drives the world's engine. It may be unpleasant to think about, but it's what we are. What you WOULD be doing is punnishing the most creative branch of society and then rewarding those who contribute little. That's a system I can do without. It didn't work in numerouse socialist countries who've tried it, and it won't work again no matter how we reinvent it.

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  19. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    to the contrary, many of the socialist countries here in europe are very healthy, and have a booming economy.
     
  20. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Which ones? Where are the countries that cap the amount an individual can make? Just because you have taxation and social programs does NOT mean you have a socialist country. You just have a progressive capitalist country. Please tell me about the countries where it is illegal to be a millionaire.
     
  21. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    Motivational Propaganda

    What did Rockefeller invent and what evidence do you have that Einstein was primarily motivated by money?

    Thomas Edison was motivated by money but he tried to subvert the implementation of AC current. How often do you hear he invented the electric chair?

    http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventions/a/Electric_Chair.htm

    psik
     
  22. terryoh Registered Senior Member

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    I think socialism has it's benefits and faults, as does capitalism.

    I think to get a poverty-stricken country out of it's situation and onto the lowest rungs of economic progress, a planned economy is absolutely necessary. I mean, capitalism won't function if there is nothing to buy and sell and not enough money going around, like in a poverty-stricken country.

    Once a country starts seeing economic progress and vast reductions in poverty rates, it is then that a planned economy should be halted and capitalism should take hold, but not in one fell swoop like the USSR did when it fell. A slow, gradual process is necessary.

    A planned economy won't take a country to the top, but a capitalist country will. The problem is, a capitalist economy won't take the lowest of the low towards progress, but a planned economy will.
     
  23. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    And heck yes, of course European socialist nations have booming economies and hare very healthy. In Germany, is naked guys walking down the street healthy? What's the standard of living like? The average income? Give me a brake. I want RELIABLE STATISTICS!
     

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