What verifiable evidence is there of miracles?

I have heard about miracles but never seen a single case of verifiable evidence for one - has anyone seen verifiable evidence of a miracle?

Definition of 'miracle' for the purposes of the thread:
miracle noun: an act or event that breaks the laws of nature, and is therefore thought to be caused by the intervention of God or another supernatural force.

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Define verifiable.

 

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Well miracles involving the disappearance of a usually fatal and incurable disease (often cancer) in faithful believers are usually verified by doctors or other specialists. Of course this only proves that science cannot explain the phenomenon and so qualifying it as a miracle due to the intervention of God may be a little silly.

Most modern Saints were canonized because of healing miracles.

 

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I thought about defining 'verifiable' but it could make the thread too divisive (in my opinion) so each contributor can decide for themselves what verification is in relation to other peoples expectations - this way the relative veracity of each contributors claims can be determined by each reader in relation their own value of verification.

 

I have never personally witnessed an event that would be considered a miracle. I have never thought much about the possibility of miracles. I think people use the term "miracle" very loosely. But, someone else mentioned earlier the disappearances of incurable diseases as an example; many people consider this as a type of miracle because the phenomena is not understood. Me personally? I don't think anything has ever happened to me that I would consider miraculous. Do you think that people who believe in miracles usually attribute them to a higher power or has science considered some things miracles because they cannot explain them? Does science use the term miracle?

 

Very concise, thank you

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. I would like to say though, on this topic of miracles, in the loose term of the word, I think life itself is one.

 

None.

 

I asked what the standard is for verifying because for some, personal testimony is enough. The personal testimony of several people is considered proof. I think this leaves room open for instances of mass hysteria, such as with the Fatima apparition.

Were the supposed cured diseases really checked by a doctor, before and after?

 

In my opinion a good point and valid comment Spidergoat.

From my perspective I think some people will argue about the relevance of the criteria for verification in relation to their experiences; therefore I decided not to stipulate criteria on this as miracles are already defined - if both are predefined then it might appear that the OP is prescriptive and seeking phenomenon to meet its own objectives. This format therefore avoids a major criticism of scientific methodology.

 

Please summarise...show me how its done by an expert...but don't be prescriptive and stick to the OP, thank you very much.

 

Ok - so you've made your point...very clever.
Do you have any miracle-related input re: OP

 

So, in your view, miracles would have to break the laws of physics?

 

Totally agree - such superstitions were the basis for witchcraft. They knew why the tree fell...it was hit by lightening...but not who caused it to fall...thats what the witch decided.
Richard Dawkins discusses the probability of all the atoms rearranging themselves in the arm of a Greek statue - giving the impression that the arm waved...astronomical odds but possible.
These are the type of 'miracles' that interest me - ones with extreme odds against.

 

But it is a parapsychology forum - I mean no ones saying that miracles have to be verifiable...its about peoples experiences of miracles.

 

the word "miracle" is inherantly christian in western cultural use,
thus making this thread in the wrong place.
the thread should be moved to the religous area.

no offence intended just giving you a little leg up.
you should source the other words that pertain to the same thing in other languages and the related religions.

consider it like science.
is one idea a non fact (unfactual not possible)
just because one single culture has not manifested it ?

the picket fence brigade of the western world who resign themselfs to be loosly termed christians for lack of self education are hardly a force of intellegent evaluation.

 

Look out the nearest window. Doesn't it seem more likely that there wuold be nothing. Or if there were something it would be even. Like one material. A giant black cube of frozen hydrogen or something.

It is very clear that something stranger than any biblical miracle is the foundation of reality. Miracle is in all those 'natural' laws people seem to taek for granted and consider logical and banal. God made nature or in my own belief system IS nature, is the universe. So miracles would be natural, though they might seem like local exceptions. And yes, I have experienced some. But why open up personal experiences to ridicule.

 

Indeed wise words and well put
After reading up on various religous beliefes over the last 15 or soo years when i first started my interest in human nature, there are many things that are considered somewhat normal to some cultures (one easy example is certain people being able to generate electrical currents from their body, enough to spark and activate peoples muscles and even set fire to a ball of rolled up news paper which was most fascinating to watch).
western culture would deem this evil devil worshipping stuff and quickly butcher the person faster than you could spell "the devil in sheeps clothing preaching gospel to hide its own sins pointing the finger at everyone else so as not to be pointed AT".

 

I believe this thread doesn't concern parapsychology, but rather other unexplainable phenomena, and thus fits better in Pseudoscience. Peace. :m:

 

Parapsychology *is* pseudoscience.

Perhaps you should move the entire subforum

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Haha! You have a point. I'm not sure why there's such a separation between the two subjects.

I would, except I think that, since it's Parapsy, anything actually concerning parapsychology should stay there. But again, I don't see the reason that forum and Pseudosci are separate. I see some threads in here that could work in Parapsy but yet are here in Pseudosci and work here too. Maybe this contributes to the apparent confusion on exactly what threads belong in Parapsy.