one world government, with no poverty.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Mosheh Thezion, Jan 31, 2007.

  1. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    I post this for the sake of the record, of the deed... the task of the fundamentals.... in case it is simply stolen and given a new package later.
    i have of course, sent this out 10 days ago.... to the UN, various nations and groups, in order to fascilitate their action, and yet, i see nothing.

    ------------- anyway... they had thier 10 days... still no responce.

    To those at the UN; (those nations with offices at the UN, working with them.)

    Ok look, it is clear, that you guys are tryng very hard to establish a one world government, and that you are using many various methods by which to do so, but I am sorry to say, as you are well aware of, your methodology sucks ass.

    You want power, and control of the earth, and yet, you do not exercise your power and ability to actually solve its problems.... i.e.. you want the world to give you power, but you don't actually have any plans by which to actually solve all their REAL problems.

    In fact... the kind of world government you are trying to set up, is very similar to a modern federal state.... where in you, the UN, IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
    But... that is your flaw... in your view for what that federal government should be.

    I can help you... I could anyway, but I grow very tired of you all, since you have choosen to completely ignore me, and just go ahead with your existing stupid plans to sell pollution credits and some such nonsense... Profitable yes... but will solve nothing.

    I will now, lay out for you, a real and simple solution to this issue, namely your acquirement of world government status.. AND, HOW YOU CAN END POVERTY.
    If you could end poverty, gentlemen and ladies, then they, the whole world would listen to you... You can do it, with my help... but.. I'm not sure I want to do that. Not at all.

    You've really pissed me off, but, due to my love for the human race, I am willing to look past your errors and acts of disrespect, and try once again to make you fuckers see the light at the end of the tunnel... because you guys run around like you are lost little girls.

    The following is a list of steps to take, to achieve world government status.

    #1) The establishment of all things, must always be of such a nature as to provide, clear and absolute benefits to the member sovereign states. And yes, i did say sovereign, where in the new "world federation", based out of the UN, will literally manifest itself, exactly as the founding fathers of the USA, intended, the USA federal government to be.
    In otherwords, in-effective in effecting the individual lives of its sovereign citizens, who are all kings and queens.... the original constitution of the United States of America, sets it very clearly... the power rests in this order.. the people, the state, and then the Fed last of all... where in the Fed, literally works to function in benefit of the individual states, and is subject to their wishes, period. The Fed is to run and maintain an army for mutual defence, and to serve the operations of regulating international and interstate trading, and to create currency for commerce and development. Of course, today, in this world, that Fed, is long gone, and has been replaced with an Unconstitutional Fed, which is allowed and accepted because it provides more benefits to the people than a limited Fed can do, if bound to the restrictions of the constitution. That kind of new Fed, is the Fed you all at the UN have been trying to form... a new Fed, that controls all. That is your flaw... you should be trying to form a WORLD FED, which is exactly like the founding fathers of the USA intended... very limited, and serving the logistical and defence needs of its many SOVEREIGN members. A WORLD FEDERATION, is then suddenly born.
    This world federation has power, in that such power would rest in its congress and its presidency, but the power is divided equally, where in the body of congress can over-rule any action of the presidency, and the congress is made up of one member from each nation, with that individual being selected from within each nation. The body of the UN.
    The Power of this world federation is again, to make currency for commerce and to build, run and maintain a world army for the defense of the planet and its individual sovereign nations and their peoples, and sets up and builds the logistical support infrastructure in order to fascilitate trade, internationally and eventually interplanetarily, and holds ownership of the bulk land mass of the planet and the rest of the solar system.
    The world will be willing to accept the establishment of a highly focused and limited World Government, if that Government, serves to benefit each nation, and does not in any way threaten the sovereignty of each nation, but instead, out of love, if you will, invests, literally, heavily into nations to show that love, and to bring prosperity to all, instead of regulation and scarcity, as has been your common practice. POVERTY will be a thing of the past, because the body of the UN has faith.... or atleast it should. Could.

    #2) Faith, is literally, the solution to all world poverty, for it allows us to realise that by assuming ownership of the solar system, we literally have posession of all that we can see, and that includes all below us, and across the seas and below it. And combine this with the work potential of our species, and our known science and potential, and suddenly we do have the basis for a new kind of "futures security", certificates, which can literally serve to represent a value of resources which might be anywhere from the moon to the bottom of the sea, or on mars, it doesnt matter, we know the commondities are there, and we can create and use and trade notes which represent those commodities, these notes being based literally on our faith in the value of the notes we trade. But their value is assured, for the majority of the instant wealth which will be created is used specifically to end all world poverty by creating jobs, based around the construction of large scale projects within each nation for the purposes of development of land and its usage to the maximum benefit of its people with clear short and long term plans to bring prosperity and assure survivability from disasters with clear investments into preplanning.
    All of this preplanning and social development work is done by each nation, with the cooperation of the world president for example, they form a charitable non-profit organization within each nation, and its function is to eliminate poverty, and does so by employing the poor. All power in these organization rests in the hands of each nation and the presidency serves the purpose of allowing the investment by the World Government into each nation without any interest or debt being needed to be delt with, since the world government is an investor, there is no debt, only the need for the return, which never needs to be more than the actual investment, since the world government doesnt need to profit, its job is to fascilitate growth for all the sovereign states...
    The world goverment isnt a sovereign state, and as such might normally be un-able to produce a currency, but that can be solved by establishing new artificial land in international waters, and creating a land mass, artifically made, to serve the earth and its soveriegn nations, by producing currency and acting as the land of the world ferderation, which again, is by design meant to be very limited. The Fed can own land.. artificial land, in the oceans, in the sky, in space, on the moon and so forth, but not within any sovereign nation, other than land owned by the non-profit org half owned by the world federation and half owned by each sovereign nation, and controlled by each nation only.
    These new "futures securities certificates" i have designated as FAITH notes, since that is literally what they are... they have value, if you have faith in the potential long term return on your investment, where in, literally, if we all had that faith then we could trade them, and their value would literally fluctuate on the values of many varied commodities, from gold to platinum or other agreeable commodites derivable over time, even a long time by a world wide mining and construction effort to fascilitate our access to the bulk of the resources, at the bottom of the sea, deep within the earth, in and on the moon, on mars, and spread out deliciously in the asteriod belt. We can have faith in the value of these notes, because we have telescopes, and they show us the bounty of wealth which awaits us if we should just make the small investment to reach them.
    The vast and endless wealth, rests not only in the return of commodities to earth, but in the orbitable bases, and space bound collinization efforts and research and development of means and ways to launch ourselves not only throughout the solar system, but in all directions, towards every nearest stars.... we will build the infrastructure and the means to do all of these things, and we can do them all if we as a planet could just pay for it.
    Now we can, with a new currency based on those long term future gains of massive massive value to the species and planet, all of which can be commericialised over time.

    #3) Other than the specific social and industrial development of each nation, the world government would form a world non-profit organization for the devlopment of world wide projects in mining of Antartica, and the oceans generally, specifically to produce actual short term rerturns on these FAITH notes, by buying these FAITH notes from their holders with the designated real physical commodity, be it, gold, or uranium, or silver. Each FAITH notes is designated for its exchange value in ounces or lbs of an agreed commodity, at its time of original trading and is numbered. This numbering is for tracking and trading purposes, for both allowing assurance of ownership and validity of the certificate for future sale and trading. The international mining org, literally takes all its gains of treasure and starts buying back all the FAITH notes, starting with number one, then two... etc... since the notes are numbered and they were traded and used in proporation to peoples faith in lining up to invest into these FAITH notes... investing, in the funding of a world wide organization dedicated to getting that return, from the depths of the earth and up, in the worlds which surround us. We will build to the point that we fully own and rule this solar system, and nothing, not even the largest asteriod or alien fleet could threaten our earth. For the world fed, can now build an earth space fleet.
    We trade the FAITH notes, no matter their number, because their value is assured, and for those who want commodities now.. right now, they can trade for lower numbers, and get actual delivery of the mass of whatever. And in the trading, we invest, for the future.

    #4) FAITH notes, would possibly come in two forms, where in there is what we can call transferable FAITH notes, and NON-tranferable FAITH notes, where in the non-transferable notes are used specifically towards investments into the development of each nation, and hold their value, by being paid off by both commodities and or the paper money of that speicific nation. The commodites in payment of a non-transferable note must be derived from mining operation within that same one nation, and can again, only be bought back for that nations currency or commodities dug up, literally in that nation.
    Transferable FAITH notes, on the other hand, can be traded internationally, and can represent the endless real value of the whole mine-able earth, the moon, mars and the asteriod belt, with a total estimated value of what could be 15 trillion trillion dollars easy.
    That is one reason why FAITH notes have such massive high value, such as one FAITH note, has a value of 2000 ounces of gold, and traded as such, and considered to actually represent that gold, and is payable in that gold in the distant future.
    If FAITH notes had a lower value, such that they could be traded and used by humans in their day to day lives, it would effect and diminsh the value of real currencies.
    Its value is set so high that it is meant to be used by goverments and billionaires in the long term development of our planet which deals in millions and billions of dollars, not dollars and cents, as are our daily lives. FAITH notes, have such value, and its value can only go up over time, for FAITH notes, could buy both commodities, and also the infrastructure and support assets, which might include orbiting space ports, space ships, space bases, and all the earthly support structure and ocean fascilities sold off over time.
    It would also, be possible for any nation to have great faith, and invest its entire economy to the point of backing its currency on transferable FAITH notes, and so, basing its currency on the very real commodites of the solar system, over time, and by making very real and intelegent investments into the infrastructure of their, each, nation for the benefit of their people in the long and short term, where prosperity can be made manifest all across the earth, and it will never cost a dime in interest, or cause any extra debt, and yet, all the while, along the bottom, in the lives of nations, the bankers can still have major play, and need not get upset, since the expanding markets would serve them greatly as they are the conduits of each economys money flow, etc.
    Nations who dont trust the international world federal government, can simply choose not to invest in the world projects, and invest only within its own nation, with the non-transferable notes, which remain within each sovereign nation until bought back by organizations that are run by that sovereign nations government. So there is never any danger of infringement of sovereignty. But, if desired a nation could invest into the world and solar system market, and be able to recieve massive gifts for development, to provide benefit to the world efforts to acquire the wealth of the solar system and develop the means to control our space and world with large international projects such as inland river diversion and cross border agricultural, reseviors and space ports.


    #5) The fun part, gentlemen, comes with the spending and building... in two ways, first within each nation, second, internationally across borders and within the seas, and within nations which allow these projects of international flavor.
    These projects will vary from nation to nation but generally, we are talking about a plan of action, which while fullfilling globilization in the short term, quickly brings it down with the intentional build up of the infrastructure of each nation to the point of being not only completely self sufficient, but fully stocked piled and prepared to meet all disasters that come along, of any size, to include biblical proportions. And in that survival mode, it is nessasry that each small nation and region have in it self all the modern technology and means to re-build and hold on to the know-how, and to do this, we must be prepared and we must have the preset means to face those possible disasters. The short term goal of this building up, allows for the massive world wide global market burst, which is used literally as part of the means which funds the push to launch our species into planetary orbit, and hopefully within a few short centuries, into galactic orbit and to the stars.
    This fruitition of our species into space requires massive funding for massive investment to build the means to manifest that collinization destiny of our species and to take hold of the bounty of resources along the way to make the whole thing economically worth while.
    The world federation spends in two ways, as mentioned, with two different kinds of FAITH notes, transferable notes, being based on the faith in our species to build to the stars and gain all the resources along the way. And NON-transferable notes, which are meant to literally manifest and allow for the realization of the potential of any single one sovereign nation, who asks only assiatance, but who refuses to risk debt and loss, by investing in hypothetical solar system based FAITH notes, which are long term.
    For those nations, who lack the faith in the world potential, its ok, they dont have to, its not mandatory, and the world federation can still offer them, and their people massive and great benefit, and will ask nothing in return whatsoever, because it is so nice.
    The world fed, could then offer, NON-transferable FAITH notes, to prop up that nations economy, specifically, with large scale programs to employ the masses in building up the infrastructure to make use of what ever resources a nation has, in as eco-friendly a manner as is humanly possible, and this is done, by the world fed, investing into nations with these non-transferable notes, which can only be paid back by that nations paper currency, and is meant to be paid back by the resulting wealth generated by the large scale labors of all the masses within any given nation. If there is enough food to feed them all, then they can all work to build a new nation, and if there is not enough food, the world fed will buy it for them, and invest in that nations infrastructure so that it can not only feed itself, but stiock pile food for long term disaster preparidness, so poverty and hunger can quickly be replaced by organizaed work efforts to solve peoples real immediate problems with long term investments into fundamental infrastructure which in 90% of the cases around the world, comes down to adequate water supply and distribution. The world fed could solve this problem in every nation, as the most fundamental investment in allowing any nation to reach it full potential and feed its own people, in abundance.
    If the world fed does not focus on hunger, then the world fed, is not worthy of power.
    These investments will vary from large scale mining operations, starting in any and all worthwhile resource sites and leading down and down, and branching side to side in exploration, and core sampling, digging deeper and deeper, in search of any and all useful ores and mineral and jewels of value, and deeper, until the mine itself, in its lower sections can be transformed literally into a large scale geothermal powerplant, which then can power all the work efforts which may continue above it in sideways directions, including continued mining and the expansion & securing of the walls of the upper mine shafts to create worthwhile and valueble underground cities and fascilities of endless use.
    These mines, on real land, on sovereign land, will be used to buy back the Non-transferable FAITH notes, mentioned, and their use, and commercialization can also serve to buy the notes back with that nations paper currency. Of course, there is also solar energy, and bio-deisel, thermal cracking, fermentation, and methanol, and lots of crude around to keep the machines all running, and in wisdom, we will stop worrying about global warming and do something about it, by watering the deserts, reversing desert-ification, and planting millions apon millions of trees and watering them, all across the world... for every car on the road in a nation, they must plant and raise 1000 trees or some such number, with a simple small tax on gasoline to pay for it.. how many gallons equal a tree? Not to mention we can use cheap methods to increase calcium carbonate production in the seas, and reduce co2 levels on a large rapid scale. We could easily solve the problem, if we could just pay for it, and now with faith, we can pay for it, easily.
    Also, we would invest towards any number of religious and public wonder projects of awe inspiring size and dimensions as to stand for evidense of our potential as a species. Ideally these massive wonder projects would be incorprated as part of some worthwhile functioning long term asset to our species development, advancement and or survival.
    International efforts would be contracted into the sea ports of various willing nations with transferable notes, and used to build the massive robotic based deep ocean mining and exploration fleets to rapidly go to work in each of the earths oceans. And to build within strategically located nations various forms and efforts for achieving large scale, large volume launches of our earths developing potential and machinary into high orbit for the building of many massive large scale strong sheilded space bases, to further facilitate our immediate use of the moon, and development projects to send a space based robot fleet to the asteriod belt to do large scale prospecting and asteriod retrival for return to near earth solar orbit for the distribution of the resources, by breaking the bodies down and dropping them safely down to earth at reduced speeds. As well as a shared world effort to build the machinary and means to live and work, and most importantly prospect and eventually mine Anartica. All of which literally boosts the economies of the world by creating 3 new large scale massive markets, being deep ocean / high pressure mining, to freezing cold under heavy ice mining, to cold vacuum low pressure / high radiation space bound ore retrival and processing, and distribution. And in the doing and engineering and the building and the spending we build up the world, and in the end, it will pay off.
    The spending, is the issue, and it is the president's and the congress's job to make sure it is all spent wisely, and efficiently, and ONLY for specific projects in benefit to the world and nations, and that is done, by employing all the masses to work for self improvement.
    Allowing the nations who are already self improved, to focus on expansion, but not against its neighbors, which causes wars, but up, onto % pieces of the moon and mars and in orbit, all of which is desided by the individual sovereign nation, when it desides how and when and on what it wants to spend its trasnferable FAITH notes on... will it be that section of moon land? Will it be that 3rd space station on the left? Will it be that nuclear rocket fleet of cargo ships? or will it be that pile of uranium? Or that bigger pile of gold?
    It must always be the sovereign nations which desides, but it is the WORLD FED, that does the selling. Selling real valueble stuff, for shiny pretty pieces of paper, FAITH notes.
    Once the world fed, buys back a FAITH note, it becomes trash, as it is numbered and can only be traded once by the world fed, and bought back once by the world fed. First it was traded for paper money, and it was traded across the globe, and then the world fed bought it back for that same amount worth of specified commodities, regardless of that commodities value, where by, if that value is up, the lucky investor / seller made profit.
    The function of the world fed, is not to profit, and to gain money, but, it is to manifest the wealth of our planet for the good of all its sovereign nations and peoples. It works to benefit all the nations, by investing directly in each nations specific people, and investing in the entire world and people as a species, for the long term distribution of the wealth of the solar system, for the building of the means to manifest the destiny of our species.

    #6) Of course, the world must recognise the dangers and evil agendas which men are unfortunately, in the habit of getting into, even by mistake, due to peer social pressure.
    That, ladies and gentlemen, would be the job of the world president to solve, who by taking office as world president, must take a VOW OF RELATIVE POVERTY, meaning if he is rich, he has to give it all up, and accept living in space and housing which is no better than average middle class american, for the rest of his natural life, and he will be watched... he takes this vow, because as president, he would have the power to control the spending, and his job literally, is to act as the check on all the spending that is done around the world, with the FAITH notes. Like a king, he must watch over the treasury. He must watch it like a hawk, and fight daily battles against corruption, that must be his job. His office will be 7-12 years, and the vow will be for life, and when out of office he will sit on a council of presidents, who then watch the actions and work of any new president and act as his personal council. While the congress, made from the body of the UN, is not bound to vows of poverty and can be rampent with coruption, it will delegate all spending with prepared yearly budgets and agendas all of which are developed opennly in the world congress and its many forums. It becomes then a question of details in negoitiating any given problem or issue, with seperate courts of action dealing with issues of sovereignty, and another dealing with international contracts on mining and space development efforts of the world federation, made up of the world president and world congress. Which is made or derived from the body of the UN, as is your wish.
    Congress can debate and deside all the issues of international efforts, in space and the seas, but the president can directly invest as 43% share holder in a non-profit corporation including the government of any sovereign nation, which then owns 57% and complete control of this organization, dedicated to employing the masses in benefit to that nation and the world and the commercialization of all the built up assets over time in that nation.
    And even though the world president may invest 100% of the start up capital, he allows the sovereign nation to controll all actions, and only asks to get the NON-transferable FAITH notes back, over time, by using the profit and gain from all the efforts caused and generated by the FAITH note use, to buy them back, from their holders, which will be the governments of each sovereign nation, allowing each individual nation to recieve massive outside investment, which builds a massive employing organization which not only produces taxes and revenue in many ways, but uses its profits to give more profit to that nation by buying back the FAITH notes, and literally giving all the assets to that nations government as a gift, so that it may sell off its parts and assets to its people and over time commercialise the entire gain, by its, hopefully, fair distribution.

    #7) Charity and Love, can finnally manifest across the earth by untieing the hands of the love potential of our peoples, by first and formost allowing for religious freedom, and permitting the free and open exercise there of. And of course free speech, which i personnaly will use myself to whip the religious billionaires into action on caring for the poorest of the poor, as in, those who cannot work, and need real charity. The charity Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, and Mohammed, etc.. all said we should be doing.
    Moreover i would incourage establishing a world church, which in itself does not teach or promote any specific religion, but teachs and allows for the practice of all religions side by side, in open study and discussion, and all tempered by the logic and reason which is brought about by modern science, which in itself, as science, has become a religion in itself, and can theortically in many ways lend credit to alot of religious dogma, in various ways, and literally is the umbrella by which all religions can be unified.
    This brings religious peace and tolerance, and open discussion and understanding, and assures that no particular religion is ever being squashed or put down, since everything is done equally and in fairness to the real numbers on the ground, yet, mandating that even in a christian country, Islam is availible for study, but it is not inforced, just as in a muslim country, christianity must be made availible for study, but it is not inforced. Nothing is inforced, and all religions are placed on the same table, and we as humans may study them, and seek answers to our questions about life and truth and so forth. And when that is not enough, we can at the same time, in the same world church and mosque and temple, seek towards science and all it has to offer, from chemistry, physics, electronics, to cosmology and biology, we can study and seek truth, and do research, and work on projects and build things along side and with the help of our fellow religious brothers and work towards increasing our understanding of the universe, its nature, and so, truth.
    A world funded church, would literally act as a small hometown plurilistic religious university for the serious study of science and engineering, and the deep contemplation and analysis of the worlds many scritptures and religious beliefs, and their free practice.


    You all, as in the UN, could of course just ignore all this as well, in which case, I will simply go back to building Ecclesia, and work towards eliminating poverty without you, and allow history to record your deeds and behavior.
    The world doesnt need you, it only needs faith, and it needs planetary defence, and serious long term investment, but it doesnt need you, the UN, because you havent offered the world anything of benefit to all its problems.
    Follow my plan of action, and you can solve for all poverty. I am only one man, and while i maybe adnonis like, i am not superman, and i cannot possibly do it alone, that much is clear. You could however do this all very simply, and accomplish the very same goals of ending hunger and poverty and bringing wealth and prosperity to all the earth. You could do this, as the body of the UN, that much should of been clear long ago.
    But i have no idea, due to your lack of responce.
    You do not have to respond, but know, that there are mobs of hungry people in the world and their numbers only grow... if you dont solve for these problems, now, i have little doubt that mankind is headed for absolute disaster. I will not even describe it here.
    I can do what a man can do, but i could fail. You dont have to fail. You have the power.
    You can do it right now, as with each day, 1000's die.... 1000's.... each day. Of hunger.
    You can stop the dieing, just have faith.

    I would be willing to give up building & owning Ecclesia, and take an advisory position at the UN for the purposes of allowing you all, to realise the real potential of our species.
    I have done what i could, and am doing now all i can do, by giving up all desires for personnal gain and benefit... i dont have to be king, or president, and the only thing that matters is that we end hunger, and help.. for gods sake, all the poor and cold and dieing.

    You dont have to steal my idea..... I am willing to give it to you.

    radicalman@surfside.net
    -Mosheh Thezion
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  3. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    i know i spiced up the beginning alittle to much... but hea...

    common courtesy, demands, atleast a call... an email.....

    atleast saying... no.... something...


    but to ignore me.... come on... that is disrespect.....

    -MT
     
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  5. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    Can I buy the stuff you're smoking?
     
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  7. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    well adonis. Can't say that I'm agreeing with evrything

    AAAH

    with salt water from the ocean? or with the little water that creates the little biotopes those country's have left
     
  8. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    mining ant-artica.. would be difficult... but it is like virgin land.
    it is just a matter of building the proper machinery to get the job done.
    these machines can even be nuclear powered, since no one lives in antartica.

    and watering the deserts would simply be a matter of pumping sea water threw thick ceramic large micro-filters, to desalinate it on a large scale...
    its old technology.. which could be applied on a large scale...

    if we could just pay for it... now we can... its an investment.

    an investment we must make... to make up for global pollution, warming, and to be able to feed our growing populations.

    an investment that will pay it self off... in time.

    -MT
     
  9. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    Mosheh, I think you put too much faith in the UN

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    . After what happened with the Iraq war, with them leaving us to do the dirty work, and then having them comming out crying crocodille tears TWO YEARS AFTER THE FACT to say "it was an illegal war!" and then not doing anything to back their words, well, it really confirmed my suspicions that the UN is completely, and utterly spineless.

    Well, that and a number of other fuck-ups the UN has done that seem to conviniently skip out of the morning papers and out of the public's eye.

    It's a shame really, but I don't think the answer lies with them, at least not yet.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You disrespect UN officials by using crude language. As soon as I see the word fuckers, I would toss your garbage in the can.

    No, that kind of attitude got us into this mess in the first place.
     
  11. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    If the world were a high school, the UN would be akin to a school monitor...absolutely powerless.
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The UN has limited power due to it's nature as an organization of nations, all with very different ideas about direction. Either the UN is a comparatively weak association of soveriegn nations, or it is a powerful body that asserts rights over soveriegn nations. You can't have both.
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting ..but why not? Why can't the UN be both? Or are you saying that anything or anyone with such power can't be a nice guy? Please explain if you can ...I'm interested.

    I've always wanted to believe in the ideal of the UN, but it's always been such pussy, such pitifully weak, terribly expensive organization that simply can't seem to do jack-shit ...except produce reports and issue useless statements. How does/can one believe in such an organization?

    Baron Max
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Any forum of diverse nations will be the same way. To be powerful, they all (or most) have to agree, which by their very nature is unlikely. I would rather have a weak UN than no UN at all.
     
  15. ScottMana Registered Senior Member

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    If there is one thing that big governments have proven, its that they don't know how to do their jobs. We all know that prices are going up. The rights of people are vanishing in an effort to keep man under control. Money is stolen, misspent, and simply wasted in greater amounts that it is created. Buearocracy is just about the moto of governments.

    At this time it would be devistating to impose this one world government. Funny enough, if they realy did their jobs, we would all be dieing to sign up. We have problems that need solving. Rather than find out how to do their jobs if would apear that there is an effort to make everything elss so bad as to make them look good. How tragic, its an act of betrayal before they even got started.
     
  16. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    if you guys bothered to read my text....

    you would see that there is a very simple way to solve for the lack of balls and for the lack of power... and for the lack of ability to bring actual real benefits to its members... i.e... the nations of earth.

    my proposal... allows for an end to poverty... massive wealth generation... a one world government... and does it all, without taking any of the sovereignty away from nations...

    i re-post item #1... from the original text.

    please read it.




    #1) The establishment of all things, must always be of such a nature as to provide, clear and absolute benefits to the member sovereign states. And yes, i did say sovereign, where in the new "world federation", based out of the UN, will literally manifest itself, exactly as the founding fathers of the USA, intended, the USA federal government to be.
    In otherwords, in-effective in effecting the individual lives of its sovereign citizens, who are all kings and queens.... the original constitution of the United States of America, sets it very clearly... the power rests in this order.. the people, the state, and then the Fed last of all... where in the Fed, literally works to function in benefit of the individual states, and is subject to their wishes, period. The Fed is to run and maintain an army for mutual defence, and to serve the operations of regulating international and interstate trading, and to create currency for commerce and development. Of course, today, in this world, that Fed, is long gone, and has been replaced with an Unconstitutional Fed, which is allowed and accepted because it provides more benefits to the people than a limited Fed can do, if bound to the restrictions of the constitution. That kind of new Fed, is the Fed you all at the UN have been trying to form... a new Fed, that controls all. That is your flaw... you should be trying to form a WORLD FED, which is exactly like the founding fathers of the USA intended... very limited, and serving the logistical and defence needs of its many SOVEREIGN members. A WORLD FEDERATION, is then suddenly born.
    This world federation has power, in that such power would rest in its congress and its presidency, but the power is divided equally, where in the body of congress can over-rule any action of the presidency, and the congress is made up of one member from each nation, with that individual being selected from within each nation. The body of the UN.
    The Power of this world federation is again, to make currency for commerce and to build, run and maintain a world army for the defense of the planet and its individual sovereign nations and their peoples, and sets up and builds the logistical support infrastructure in order to fascilitate trade, internationally and eventually interplanetarily, and holds ownership of the bulk land mass of the planet and the rest of the solar system.
    The world will be willing to accept the establishment of a highly focused and limited World Government, if that Government, serves to benefit each nation, and does not in any way threaten the sovereignty of each nation, but instead, out of love, if you will, invests, literally, heavily into nations to show that love, and to bring prosperity to all, instead of regulation and scarcity, as has been your common practice. POVERTY will be a thing of the past, because the body of the UN has faith.... or atleast it should. Could.

    -MT
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I'm just saying, if you send it to the UN, you shouldn't use swear words and expect them to take you seriously.
     
  18. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    I HEAR YOU SPIDERGOAT....

    but..... i sent many other texts... without foul language.. and they ignored THEM, just the same...

    no... the language doesnt matter...

    content does.


    since they have choosen to ginore me... to me.. they are fuckers.


    and like lost little girls... cant find their way out of anything.

    all i can do is offer to help them.

    -MT
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You might want to start simpler, have you considered volunteer work? Remodelling the entire system might be a great idea, but more of a long term goal, don't you think?
     
  20. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    EVERY DAY.... 1000's... and 1000's..... just die....

    due to inaction... and weak attitudes that suggest we should start small.

    the hungry... are not willing to wait.

    the fat are.

    if the fat, dont get about helping the hungry... soon the fat will end up as dinner for the hungry.

    -MT
     
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  21. ScottMana Registered Senior Member

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    I am not saying your point is misstaken. Just that at this time it could be harmful as they don't seem organized enough to make it happen. They need to show they can make the world a beter place to live before taking control of a going concern. Perhaps they could implement it in smaller reigns and show us all that it would be worth our while. Then they would have to fight off all that would want ot join.
     
  22. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    well... yeah... the small scale... small single nation effort is what im going about doing with Ecclesia, and to do it, i dont need the cooperation of the UN, and only need the cooperation of that specific nation.
    to do this, cuts the UN, out of the picture....

    that is un-fortunate, for while it has been a duck, it can blossom as a world congress, and serve that very specific purpose.

    and the model for this world federation, is the US constitution, in its original form, with the original intent of its writers.
    to insure the sovereign freedom of its members... being citizens.

    in our case.. here... nations.

    -MT
     
  23. TimeTraveler Immortalist Registered Senior Member

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    World congress, tell me more about that idea, it sounds interesting.

    I think if there is to be a world government, it has to be x1000 more efficient than current governments. We should use computers to model the most efficient government protocols, fully using our technology.
     

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