butt naked, what's the concern?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Search & Destroy, Jan 27, 2007.

  1. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    What's society's problem with nakedness?

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    Europe is better than America. I remember seeing naked women in the newspaper and all-day porn on channel 2 when I was young. That doesn't happen in America.

    If I were to walk down the street butt naked tomorrow you would think I was a crack-head. I might even get arrested! But it's reasonable - I live close to the equator, so it'll cool me off... that's not crazy it's smart.

    Now why would anyone have a problem with it? Let me reference the indigenous nudity you pervs buy national geographic for. They are more sane in this sense than our modern society! Boobs hang for everyone to see. Why? Because they are just pieces of flesh, like an arm or a neck. What makes us so different from them, that I must not reveal my sacred section of flesh.

    This relates to my cursing thread. Society is imposing these weird standards on us, for what? Why can't everyone open their eyes and see good nakedness, instead of bad.

    Most people would conclude with "I don't want to walk down the street and see my 4th grade 80 year old teacher naked." Hell - I don't want to stare at the woman's irregular contours, but I'm sure I'd get used to glancing at some nasty shapes after awhile. Furthermore I'd love to see a naked grandma, it would give me reason to believe society's mentalities aren't stupid.

    And lastly, is covering up causing harm? Yes it is. It's Just like limiting our expression by labeling certain words "bad." It's just one more thing keeping us in this metaphorical prison, where just because noones given it ample thought, everyone has to suffer.
     
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  3. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    So you think that everyone should be permitted to do anything they want to do in a society of millions? Hmm?

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  5. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    No I don't. I'm specifically talking about nakedness, and a few others, not everything.

    As a reasonable person, how can you not agree with me on this?
     
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  7. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    We are in the habit of wearing clothes to shield us from the elements, since we are mostly hairless apes who have inhabited most of the earth with relatively hostile environments. There is nothing wrong with nakedness, but society now (through force of habit) finds it odd to see naked people. Religious "morality" has made it far worse by equating nudity inherently to sexuality, which in turn is equated with evil dirtyness.

    Sick, in my opinion.
     
  8. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    No concern....just lames who can't control themselves.
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I can't agree with you because there are so many others of society that do NOT agree with you. And that being the case, I reasonably conclude that if they don't want people walking around naked, then people should NOT do it. Such is the principle of "society" ....it's not just about YOU, it's about every member of that society. And that's the part that you're missing! Think about others for a change, okay?

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  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Have you ever seen an old, wrinkled, fat woman with pendulous tits and sagging butt? Obviously not, or you would not say, "There is nothing wrong with nakedness...."

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  11. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Point taken.
     
  12. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    Why not?
     
  13. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    The Baron's apparently a prude. The hundreds of naked school girls walking around would more than make up for the occasional saggy grandma IMO.
     
  14. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think the Baron is a prude...just really authoritarian.
     
  15. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    Most people would not be appealling to see nude. 1 out of about every 20 guys I see are nude worthy, including the thread author! (Those little shorts are drivin me Miss Daisy!)
    We teach our young that nudity is bad and dirty, so it carries into generation after generation.
    BTW nothing in any National Geographic I've seen as far as nudity goes is the least bit of a turn on.
     
  16. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps because only savages without civilization prance around naked everywhere?

    Clothing is a mark of cultivation to a stage of society.

    Non-clothed public activities might have a place, though. The Greeks exercised and played sports in the nude, for instance, and I see little problem with this.

    Genji:

    Yes, but that is because native women and men tend to not be too attractive by our standards.
     
  17. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Hot Chicks should be allowed, better yet, encouraged to walk around naked. But no one, except maybe Genji, wants to see male genetals bouncing around.
     
  18. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Let's set some ground rules:

    Male nudity: prohibited.
    Female nudity: Mandatory or prohibited, subject to prior screening.

    I see no possible objections.
     
  19. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    I dislike the negative attitude towards nudity too, and I agree with you totally, Search & Destroy.

    Baron isn't really reasonable.

    You say that, and then protest when there are taxes to pay?

    You've been conditioned to be repulsed by that.

    I don't see the logic. Elaborate?

    Mandatory clothing is a mark of being a prude, which is pretty uncivilized.

    Well, at least there's that much.

    You've been conditioned into being repulsed by male genitals. In most of Europe, they don't care. Nor should they.

    That's sexist. Male nudity is just as normal as female nudity. Plus, women may end up feeling like sex objects. And some people are greatly annoyed by such feminist talk (and I believe one of them has posted in this thread).

    Never mind that you were only being sarcastic.

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  20. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    You are asking Baron Max?
     
  21. RoyLennigan Registered Senior Member

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    your either missing the point or purposely making a false argument to disagree with. people should not be forced to do things a certain way simply because of thousands of years of cultural imprinting.

    the majority of the people may agree with you, but only because of their conditioning. if the same people had been taught to live naked their entire lives, they sure would think differently. we are all simply humans and similar enough (genetically) to even those "primitives" who run around naked that there really isn't much of a difference besides how we were raised. it isn't any kind of moral or civil issue to run around naked--its the most natural thing one can do.

    thats up to debate. it wholly depends on how you were raised. nakedness is a mark of freedom, natural beauty, and individuality. i'd rather have those things than a "cultivation to a stage of society".

    but yes, when it gets cold you better believe i'm putting on my heavy jacket.
     
  22. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Yup. Clothes have a practical purpose — not even nudists can argue that — but except in cases where there's a good reason for it, mandatory clothing is pointless.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    People have worn clothes for practical reasons since the Stone Age. But the actual taboo against nudity in situations where it's practical is usually inspired by religion. The ancient Greek athletes performed naked. Nude statues and other forms of portraiture go way back in history.

    America was founded by Puritans and we still have huge chunks of Puritan culture. Sex was an uncomfortable idea for them, with their fixation on the Garden of Eden story. So nudity, which arouses men who are not accustomed to it and makes them think about having sex, had to be taboo.

    Doesn't it work out that the societies with the most taboos are the ones with the greatest level of what they consider suppressed depravity? I've had several Muslim men explain to me--in all seriousness--that the reason women have to walk around in ninja outfits is that the mere sight of their hair, eyes, or shape--much less actual bare skin--will arouse all the men in the vicinity to peaks of uncontrollable lust and the women will simply not be safe.

    That must be some society, where men are that horny and depraved that they will commit rape in public, simply as a result of becoming conscious of the opportunity to do so.

    Most American women are not into public nudity, yet I don't know a one who thinks if she walked down the street naked she would be raped before she got where she was going. Lots of attention, rude remarks, catcalls, offers of romantic dates, but no rape. Actually pretty much the same thing that happens when they wear clothes.

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    I've even seen a few "candid camera" scenes like that. What's surprising is the number of male onlookers who just shrug it off and go on about their business.
     

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