necessary microorganisms

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by John Connellan, Jan 2, 2007.

  1. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    Somebody in the General philosophy forum (would u believe) gave me the idea for this thread.

    We all know that there are many types of "good" bacteria present in the human body which play an important role in our biology. What I was wondering is , are these microorganisms absolutely necessary in keeping us alive. If we somehow rid the body of these microorganisms (with an antiseptic) could we survive for long? Sure the body has adapted to this mutualistic symbiosis as is it the easy way out, but have we become so dependent on these organisms that we cannot exist independently?
     
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  3. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    This depends on the organism. Some (depending on their normal diet) are dependent on certain microorganisms, either for processing of otherwise unusable food sources, or to synthesize essential nutrients (e.g. certain amino acids or co-factors), as most "higher" organism lack the ability to synthesize all their nutrient requirements.
    The second dependence is the use of non-pathogenic bacteria as a protection of pathogenic ones. The normal flora that colonizes use up all the niches that otherwise might get occupied by pathogens.
    Thus, with the correct diet and a sterile environment it is possible to keep animals (like e.g. humans) viable without an endogenous bacterial colonization.
    This is, in fact done for instance for sterile mice, that are used for certain studies.
     
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Intestinal microbes do have influence on the host. I'm too lazy to look it up, but luckily there was a related story recently in the news.

    http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2006/1220/2
    Do Gut Bugs Make You Fat?
    If the scale has tipped too far in the wrong direction, perhaps you should blame the bugs living in your gut. Some microbes are better at wringing calories out of those holiday meals than others, researchers report in two papers in today's Nature. Transferring such high-octane bugs into lean mice causes the rodents to plump up, suggesting a microbial contribution to obesity.



    Ley put a dozen obese volunteers on either a low-fat or a low-carbohydrate diet for a year. At regular intervals, she surveyed their intestinal microbial communities....After a year, the volunteers had lost 2% to 6% of their weight, the Firmicutes had dropped to 73%, and the Bacteroidetes increased to about 15%, irrespective of the diet followed

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    Peter Turnbaugh analyzed the genomes of gut microbes in two pairs of mice. In each pair, one mouse was healthy, while the other, a sibling, carried two mutant copies of a gene called leptin,which made it obese. Microbes from the obese mice had more genes for processing starches and complex sugars and produced more simple sugars and fatty acids--that is, calories--for the gut to absorb. When the researchers transplanted microbes from the obese mice into germ-free mice, the recipients had a 47% increase in body fat over 2 weeks. In contrast, germ-free mice supplied with microbes from lean mice had only a 27% increase, says Gordon.

    apparently having a certain distribution of microorganisms can make you more or less fat.
     
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  7. cpt.scruffy The Future's Coolest Guy Registered Senior Member

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    hrm, that's interesting...

    im not sure,
    i do know that bacteria are quite effective for the immune system.
    there's bacteria that also helps synthesize vitamin k, for us which is important for blood; however, not enough for human survival... we'll still need an intake.
    other such bacteria aid in digestion, absorption, etc.

    there's bacteria that prevents yeast overgrowth.
    that's pretty important, i think.

    even e.coli helps with digestion..

    but i don't know how important they all are.
    there's so much bacteria that helps, though.
    so i'm pretty sure your survival is limited if one were to have his/her system cleaned of bacteria.

    especially as you get older.
     
  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I know it is below us to look at textbook stuff but maybe it can generate a bit of discussion to list the general list of the benefits of bacterial flora in the human intestinal tract.
    http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
    No.1 cpt.scruffy already mentioned. The bacteria do produce vitamins we can use and break down stuff we cannot break down.
     
  9. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    To put it into perspective, microorganism are as such not essential, as sterile animals are viable. However, under normal conditions (that is, non-sterile) their survival chance is severely handicapped. And in addition (as spurious pointed out) there might be potential developmental disadvantages.
     
  10. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Do you happen to know the life-expectancy of these 'sterile' mice?
     
  11. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    I do not know the definitive numbers as I was not directly involved in the study with the sterile mice at my old institute. However, I was told that under the given sterile conditions (including silly sterile suits that were far too large for me...) and a strict diet they live as long or even outlive normal mice.
    But I also recall that they had to kill off a complete line due to a sudden fast-spreading infection.
     
  12. IslandofParadise Registered Member

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    There are enzymes that break down food, bacteria generally disposes unwanted products. My guess is you will be in serious trouble without bacteria.
     
  13. Sputnik Banned Banned

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    I tried to google it .... found several links , claiming , that humans could not survive without bacterias due to digestion problems .....

    But then I found this :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

    It says people can survive without gut flora ........
     
  14. Sputnik Banned Banned

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    Mice raised in germ-free enviroment have been shown to have longer mean life span ...

    http://scienceweek.com/2003/sw030131.htm

    but I found several links , saying that germ-free animals were highly susceptible to disease , when removed from germ-free environment , due to
    an underdeveloped immune system ...
     
  15. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Cyanobacteria created our oxygen environment that we need to breathe. Without decomposers we could not survive in a sewage environment. Composting is essential.

    http://www.coml.org/medres/microbe2006/CoML_ICOMM Public_Release_07-31-06.pdf

    What is the function of the intestines and colon without microbes? Over 1000 species are used to convert food to energy. Flora are essential in protection against enteric bacterial pathogens.

    http://www.buffalo.edu/news/pdf/June06/LondonTelegraphGillGut.pdf
     

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