12-29-06, 10:55 PM #1
A question about free will-According to the Hindus
I am not sure if this has already been discussd ad nauseam when I was not around. I have been told that Lord Krishna proclaims that "He is the reason for all reaosns" I cannot remember the exact sanskrit sholka, but he is supposed to be the supreme controller of all that happens on this earth as "not even a blade of grass moves without his sanction".
If that is the case, then is there any free will at all? Should we regret anything that happens to us or for that matter even things that we do.....even if the things we do are wrong ?
12-29-06, 11:13 PM #2
I do believe Krishna claims that no action is evil, as the souls of those are unaffecetd. He tells Arjuna this to keep him from shirking his duty, if I recall properly.
But anyway, I am not certain on the matter of free-will.
12-30-06, 11:54 AM #3TurtleGuest
I don't believe anyone on this planet have a free will. No coincidences.
12-30-06, 03:01 PM #4rding free will
BG 18.61: The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.
BG 10.8: I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
BG 15.15: I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.
BG 13.21: Nature is said to be the cause of all material causes and effects, whereas the living entity is the cause of the various sufferings and enjoyments in this world.
BG 13.22: The living entity in material nature thus follows the ways of life, enjoying the three modes of nature. This is due to his association with that material nature. Thus he meets with good and evil among various species.
And as a further addition the atmosphere which we have access to, to express our desire (eg - fame, intelligence, wealth, education and even species of life), is determined by our previous karma
there is the example that a criminal may be put in maximum security jail (ie the atmosphere for the expression of his desire is greatly reduced) but he may not be repentant and still continue to harbour misanthropic sentiments for the entirety of his 30 year jail sentence
such severe jail sentences tend to exhaust such reserves of enmity - inthe same way all living entities in material existence are gently prodded along in th eprogress of their spiritual life, sometimes is th ebody of a dog and sometimes in the body of a great philosopher or politician, by dint of experiencing the inherent limitations of the prison like conditions of material existence .
Of course one can hold out with misanthropic ideas against the will of god for as long as they want, but given that the time factor is eternal, god tends to win out
12-30-06, 04:59 PM #5
Simply put, there are varying degrees of belief in classical Fate and free will among Hindus?
If that's your stance, than I would agree with that.
In the same regard, people harbor different sentiments as to how fatalistic karma is (as in, how much is drawn from past lives and who we can blame for certain things) even within the religion.
12-30-06, 09:33 PM #6
However even on the general front of hindus who seek their definitions of theology from scripture, the vast body of knowledge and resources that are available has the capacity to deliver a great variety of conclusions.
But amongst all the puranas, upanisads, vedas, vedeanta sutras etc the Bhagavad-gita is the hindu 'bible"
So any one who identifies themselves as hindu, should (ideally) be able to express and justify the essential point of their philosophical/theological outlook by quoting the BG
12-31-06, 02:11 AM #7
True ! As per Bhagavath Githa, freedom is given to every being to decided it’s actions (Karma) but results are decided by God. Every being has the freedom to choose or free will, including the will to regret or not regret as that also is considered as another Karma (action) which again has results.
12-31-06, 03:40 AM #8
12-31-06, 03:59 AM #9
Assuming that god doest indeed exist for a moment- Most physicists say that as long as dont exist you have free will(if something cant result before you have made the decision to act upon it). I personally think that given that the precise set of cicumstances will play out in the next instant, you could replay it and will make the exact same decision- you cant alter your experiences before that instant and you cant affect the chaos of that next instant, so do you really have free will? I think not.