The topic of race will not die...

[infoterror]

Until humanity resolves it.

Fact is, many of us like being what we are and don't want to become The Grey Race as our globalist leaders seem to intend.

I'm not a big fan of racism, or hatin' on blacks or Mexicans, but I'm equally not fond of multiculturalism, which is insane and doesn't work.

Why doesn't the race topic die at Sciforums? Because it won't die in life. Because the races aren't equal, much as individuals aren't, and we don't want to go along with our moron leaders in being fodder for industry.

We want life, a healthy natural life, and that includes pride in our ethnic group (a subset of race).

People tell us race doesn't exist, yet then more evidence comes out affirming it, and those "scientists" who argue against it are looking for a "race gene" which is not how we understand race. Race is grouped traits, not a gene! Their argument is disingenuous. Why would someone knowingly make a false argument, except to manipulate us for political ends?

Personally, I've only found two groups that understand the kind of pride in race without hate or endorsement of multiculturalism that I believe in:

Although we believe in the separation of ethnic groups, we do not do this from a belief that other groups are "superior" or "inferior," but from one that each population must govern itself in order to work organically. After all, culture arises when people of a similar heritage come together, and as culture determines those who rise or descend according to local standards, it breeds people who find harmony in its ideals with their own. We are thus opposed to racism because it not only corrupts a sensible concept, but turns a logical decision into a paranoiac and violent emotional one, ensuring future suffering for people of all races. As such, it is our belief that nationalism is simultaneously opposed to both racism and patriotism, which would include all races who swear allegiance to an abstract and unrealistic common political principle.

Anti-Racist Nationalists

And:

Nationalist Planet forums

[Theoryofrelativity]

oh look a race thread

how original

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[Baron Max]

People who can live together peacefully should be permitted to do so ...regardless of their culture, race, beliefs or anything else.

Those people who can not live together peacefully should not be forced to do so ...it can only lead to more hatred, more violence and more deaths.

Segragation into groups of like-minded people should not only be encouraged, it should be made easier and simpler.

Blacks n' whites who love each other should be permitted to live together if they wish. Blacks n' whites who hate each other should be segragated from each other.

Forcing anyone to do something that they don't want to do, or that they hate, shouldn't be permitted in any nation that considers itself free and democratic.

Baron Max

[Theoryofrelativity]

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[infoterror]

People who can live together peacefully should be permitted to do so ...regardless of their culture, race, beliefs or anything else.

How many examples are there of this happening via multiculturalism in history?

None.

It's a terrible idea, multiculturalism.

[Baron Max]

How many examples are there of this happening via multiculturalism in history? None. It's a terrible idea, multiculturalism.

Oh, I agree 100% ...maybe even more! Nowhere on Earth, at any time in all of human history, has integration or multiculturalism ever worked peacefully.

But there are those ignorant dreamers who still think that it's possible and they claim, CLAIM, that they're all for the ideals of multi-culturalism and peaceful integration. My comment was for those foolish few, not for people like you or me.

I sometimes think it would be cute and fun to take all those idealistic people and put them together in a big compound ...then stand back and watch the shit hit the fan!

Baron Max

[guthrie]

Never? HHmm, I seem to rcall that Islamic spain did quite well for a few generations. So did bits and pieces of Europe. Not to mention the USa.
Its only when things blow up that actually hear about them.

Besodes, multiculturalism, is, depending on how you view it, either impossible, or such a part of daily life anyway that your objections are irrelevant. Say for example- you dont go to church, your neighbour does, and is fully involved in churchy social stuff. Your other neighbour goes along to football matches and drinks lager. You yourself spend lots of itme on your computer, arguing with like minded idiots online. Does this mean they are all one culture? Depends how you look at it.
I've never seen what it is these anti-multiculturalism people are on about anyway. You used to get different cultures in this country just by going from the countryside to the towns.

[Oniw17]

Fact is, many of us like being what we are and don't want to become The Grey Race as our globalist leaders seem to intend.

I agree with you, we should preserve racial features, but what's that have to do with multiculturalism?

I'm not a big fan of racism, or hatin' on blacks or Mexicans, but I'm equally not fond of multiculturalism, which is insane and doesn't work.

How do you define multiculturalism? Why doesn't it work?

Why doesn't the race topic die at Sciforums?

Because it is worth being discussed.

We want life, a healthy natural life, and that includes pride in our ethnic group (a subset of race).

Is that not possible with other ethnic groups around or something?

People tell us race doesn't exist, yet then more evidence comes out affirming it, and those "scientists" who argue against it are looking for a "race gene" which is not how we understand race. Race is grouped traits, not a gene! Their argument is disingenuous. Why would someone knowingly make a false argument, except to manipulate us for political ends?

This doesn't sound like an argument against multiculturalism, more like an argument against people who say race doesn't exist. Elaborate.

Personally, I've only found two groups that understand the kind of pride in race without hate or endorsement of multiculturalism that I believe in:
Anti-Racist Nationalists

And:

Nationalist Planet forums

Haven't looked through the second one yet, but I can't say I disagree with the first link from what I read of it. I didn't see any argument against multiculturalism there though.

[s0meguy]

I agree with you, we should preserve racial features,

What the hell is the reasoning behind this?

[Oniw17]

What the hell is the reasoning behind this?

To make sure that there are always different kinds of people.

[Prince_James]

It is very rare that even in a "multicultural society" that people of different ethnicities and mindsets live together. For instance, though I live in New York, which is considered an intensely "diverse" city, we live mostly segregated into ethnic communities.

[Bells]

It is very rare that even in a "multicultural society" that people of different ethnicities and mindsets live together. For instance, though I live in New York, which is considered an intensely "diverse" city, we live mostly segregated into ethnic communities.

Really? Well I have African, French and Dutch ancestry (I am by definition a creole with curly black hair and olive tanned skin with dark brown eyes), was not born in an english speaking country but migrated to Australia as a child, had to learn a new language and a new way of life basically. My husband was born from an English mother and a Dutch father (is blonde, very fair with green eyes), in the then English Hong Kong before living the life of an expat until he migrated to Australia with his parents as a child, but continued to travel and live overseas due to his father's work commitments throughout his childhood.

We are from completely different ethnicities, mindsets and backgrounds, but we're happily married with one child, another on the way and I couldn't imagine spending my life with anyone else. We are both intensely diverse in our origins and ethnicity, but we live together and quite happily so. Funny that huh?

Multiculturalism is about respecting that not everyone is exactly the same as you are and basically letting everyone be who they are and want to be. Of course people from the same cultural background will tend to live together in the same community, but if they do not and wish to live in a more diverse community, they should be free to do so without harrassment or abuse because they might be different to the rest.

My parents went from living in an area where they were surrounded by many from our birth country, but moved several years ago into what was virtually a white anglo-saxon Australian suburb. And they fitted in as individuals and they are loved by their neighbours because they are different and apparently exotic. They haven't conformed to what everyone else is in the street, they remain the individuals they always were and they are accepted and liked as they are. Should they now be forced to move into an area with others who are 'just like them'?

[Baron Max]

Really? Well I have African, French and Dutch ancestry (I am by definition a creole with curly black hair and olive tanned skin with dark brown eyes),......

C'mon, Bells, one lousy, stinkin' example ain't nothing to prove nothin' and you know it! Get off it, okay? Besides, you could be lyin' through ye're fuckin' teeth and makin' it all up ...there's no way any of us could ever know.

Multiculturalism is about respecting that not everyone is exactly the same as you are and basically letting everyone be who they are and want to be.

Yeah, and just where in the world has that ever, EVER, been successful ....without the force of arms making people behave ..if even that way! Where, Bells, give me a good example of a city or nation or any large group of people ...anywhere in the world!

Birds of a feather fuck together ....and they always will!

Baron Max

[Baron Max]

It is very rare that even in a "multicultural society" that people of different ethnicities and mindsets live together. For instance, though I live in New York, which is considered an intensely "diverse" city, we live mostly segregated into ethnic communities.

Yep, and trouble and problems erupt in NYC whenever those boundaries are not recognized and respected ....like a bunch of blacks movin' into Little Italy or something like that.

I've never had a problem with voluntary segragation and I think it's the only way the world is ever gonna' see peace. Oop, I take that back ....the world will never see peace until humans are all gone.

Baron Max

[infoterror]

What the hell is the reasoning behind this?

Because uniqueness sure beats uniformity!

[infoterror]

We are from completely different ethnicities, mindsets and backgrounds, but we're happily married with one child, another on the way and I couldn't imagine spending my life with anyone else. We are both intensely diverse in our origins and ethnicity, but we live together and quite happily so.

And what are the long-term consequences? You'd have to observe this situation for two generations to know what its consequences are, at a bare minimum. If your argumentative skills are designed to prove the acceptability of multiculturalism, you've just failed!

[infoterror]

Never? HHmm, I seem to rcall that Islamic spain did quite well for a few generations. So did bits and pieces of Europe. Not to mention the USa.

These are not convincing examples. Spain lags behind most of the world and the USA is decaying. These random "bits and pieces of Europe": what ethnicities, when, and how well did they fare?

[Bells]

C'mon, Bells, one lousy, stinkin' example ain't nothing to prove nothin' and you know it! Get off it, okay?

Why? Does it make you uncomfortable that not everyone is racist or judges others based solely on their race or colour? That example works for me and it proves to me that it can work. But if you disagree with it because you prefer to have segregation, then no amount of examples will allow you to view things differently.

Besides, you could be lyin' through ye're fuckin' teeth and makin' it all up ...there's no way any of us could ever know.

Why would I lie? But then again I could be a white supremacist and you could be a black woman who's a pacifist and does not believe in the right to bare arms.

Yeah, and just where in the world has that ever, EVER, been successful ....without the force of arms making people behave

My home for one. My parents street and suburb for another. No one took up arms to force the neighbourhood to allow them to live there in peace. No one picked up a gun and used force to ensure peace when my husband and I married.

Or is that the problem for you? You are such a violent individual that you need to see force to prove a point. Well Baron, most people don't mind if their neighbour is another race or colour. You might take out your shotgun and start taking pot shots at the darkies over the fence, but most educated people don't behave that way. If you wish to live in a segregated society then do so. I believe some of them still exist. And in a way it's good because then the rest of us know where the inbreds live.

You are free to be what you want to be, but do not expect that others must be forced to believe as you do. Your country based its history on driving some off their land and then forcing others from another race, colour and culture to work the land for you. Do not now expect that the descendants of those slaves who are American, by force against their ancestors, to be forced to live elsewhere because you no longer want them there. You reap what you sow.

Where, Bells, give me a good example of a city or nation or any large group of people ...anywhere in the world!

As I said, my home for one. My parents suburb and most other suburbs in Australia. I'd imagine that there are many areas of the US where people of different races live together in peace. Or are you one of those who prefers to try to drive off anyone who doesn't fit into your racial profile with torchs and pitchforks? You know, like the witch hunts you accuse everyone else of taking part in?

You wish to force others into living in a segregated society when others do not wish it. If you want to, then do so for yourself and those who think like you. As I said before, in a way it might be good for racists to 'fuck together' as it gives the rest of us an indication of who and where the inbreds are in society and leave you to breed amongst yourselves. But don't think that you can force your ideals on those who disagree with you. You rebel that you're being forced to live in a multicultural society? So why are you trying to force those who are happy and at peace in such a society to live in a segregated one?

[TimeTraveler]

People tell us race doesn't exist, yet then more evidence comes out affirming it, and those "scientists" who argue against it are looking for a "race gene" which is not how we understand race. Race is grouped traits, not a gene! Their argument is disingenuous. Why would someone knowingly make a false argument, except to manipulate us for political ends?

What Evidence? Racism is a religion, it's never been a science. Genes exist, race does not.

[TimeTraveler]

C'mon, Bells, one lousy, stinkin' example ain't nothing to prove nothin' and you know it! Get off it, okay? Besides, you could be lyin' through ye're fuckin' teeth and makin' it all up ...there's no way any of us could ever know.



Yeah, and just where in the world has that ever, EVER, been successful ....without the force of arms making people behave ..if even that way! Where, Bells, give me a good example of a city or nation or any large group of people ...anywhere in the world!

Birds of a feather fuck together ....and they always will!

Baron Max

I'm not for multiculturalism. I'm for open culture. Meaning open source culture. Multiculturalism is an old failed theory, where seperate but equal cultures are supposed to learn from one another.

First, not all cultures are equal, this much is something we can all agree on. Second, what we need is to open our cultures, and share our cultures.

Multiculturalism encourages cultural exclusivity and exclusion. Open Culture means anyone can become a part of any culture at any time, or be a part of multiple cultures at a time, just like anyone can post on this forum or be a member of many forums on the web.