Dear muslim,

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by WildBlueYonder, Nov 14, 2006.

  1. Dear muslim, if you felt you were called to do it by allah, would you fly a plane into a building full of westerners?

    What would you do for allah?
    Would you lie?
    Would you kill?
    Would you rape?
    Would you plunder?

    All this has been done, is being done in the name of islam
    Are they right in their application of islam or are you?


    here are some excerpts from the quran, with some interesting ones highlighted
    from:
    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/2.htm
     
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  3. war, spoils, true friends

    here are some thoughts on war, spoils, true friends from the quran

    from:
    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/8.htm
    from:
    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/5.htm
     
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  5. azizbey kodummu oturturum Registered Senior Member

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    my Christian friend
    check out Bible first, then attack muslims
    http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleViolence.htm
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Azibey, in which instance are Christians using the Bible to justify their violence worldwide? What percentage are we talking here? Do Christians instead feel it's a violation of their religion to engage in war?
     
  8. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Well, the president said he felt he was chosen by God. And he is a Christian.
     
  9. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    If only. When it's appropriate, the New Testement is thrown out the window. And even a one-eyed scan of history will show precedent after precedent. Or should I say president after...
     
  10. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Or think how Native Americans might view the notion that Christians think violence is a violation of the big C.
     
  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    True, but it does speak to the idea that Christians consider war a failure of, rather than a tenet of, their religion.

    I agree the idea could use a little more adherence, however...
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, yes - Native Americans might indeed call it hypocritical; or at least, ignored. But that still translates into a violation of the philosophy.
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Of course Christians, Jews, and Muslims wrote their bible in line with the kind of things they wanted to do anyway, and thus codified a culture which could be successful against other cultures.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe so - hardening hearts, Old Testament atherosclerosis and all that - but at the same time the Christian text doesn't say "And kill all the bloody pagan bastards you find". So I dunno, finally. Doesn't mean it doesn't get ignored, of course.
     
  15. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it pretty much does!

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10
    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    There are many others...
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, but that's OT. NT puts the funky slam-down on all that rot; or so He sayeth.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Why do they even include the OT if that's the case? In any case, Jews don't follow the NT.
     
  18. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    The old testament contains a lot of hateful propaganda that is copied in the Quran. In essence they are the same book.
     
  19. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    It is supposed to be the eternal Law of God. According to Jesus, it is in full force today. And it says the same thing in the NT just in a different way.

    Luke 14:26
    “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That means you don't follow Jesus' teaching unless you are really dissastified with the status quo. It doesn't mean to kill people that encourage you to worship other Gods.
     
  21. VitalOne Banned Banned

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    The Old Testament God and Allah seem to be the same God, but the New Testament God appears different...
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That's because Jesus was a revolutionary, who's message needed to be watered down and defiled in order for the ruling elite to maintain power and religious monopoly.
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    70% I once read...
     

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