Mini H-bomb in basement upwards directed: Finnish Military Expert solves last unclear

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    <h4> Mini H-bomb in basement upwards directed: Finnish Military Expert solves last unclear issue about how 9/11 was executed</h4>

    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">All the commentary of the Finnish military expert is here with yellow background. I have marked bad mistakes, like swapping Hydrogen bombs with Atomic bombs, </span><font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">&nbsp;</span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">red-on-gray</span>.</font>
    </p>
    <p align="left">The most disquieting thought to emerge from 9/11 truthseeking is that the succession of events that attained its highest point thus far on September 11 may yet lead to the use of <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">an atomic bomb</span></font>. If Iran is to be attacked, low-yield atomic weapons may be needed to accomplish the task. They will not be used unless terrorists commit an atomic explosion on Western soil.
    </p>
    <p align="left">Meanwhile, however, it it has been <a href="http://www.11syyskuu.org/military.htm"><font color="#0000ff"><u>proposed</u></font></a> that k+1 nuclear bombs were detonated <i>on</i> 9/11 in the World Trade Center towers.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">But this is not my theory and mentioning it here only blurs the matters.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left">This claim is preposterous for at least the following reasons:
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>1) Duration of explosion.</b> At what point in time would these bombs have been set off? After all, each tower was destroyed remarkably evenly over a time span of over 10 seconds. Did the bomb radiate its destructive force all that time? Or were there ten bombs per tower (and maybe a couple in <a href="http://wtc7.net/"><font color="#0000ff"><u>Building 7</u></font></a>, too)?
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Set off seconds before the &quot;collapse&quot; commenced (how surprising, first comes the cause, then comes the effect). The bomb had initial effects, main blast, and after effects all within about 4 seconds. The heath dissipates with no well-defined time frame (gradually).</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>2) Ability to direct the explosion.</b> Or could the force of the explosion perhaps have been directed to focus to a distance of hundred of meters? This has also been suggested, in this case there would be only one bomb, in the basement.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Correct. One H-bomb, in focus to a distance of several hundred meters upwards.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>3) Radio activation.</b> These <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">atomic bombs</span></font> didn't seem to create much of a fallout...
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Mini-hydrogen bombs. Any idea what is the difference of <b>tritium</b> and <b>plutonium</b>?<br>
    They </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">create radiation, but far less</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> (</span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">1/100</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">) than plutonium bombs. And of different<br>
    type. The problem is, you cannot measure it without very expensive instruments.<br>
    In the first minutes at ground zero, there are hundreds of different short-lived<br>
    radioactive particles. Take a deep breath and you will propably die. Neutrons<br>
    did their damage, but they are not showing any longer. Later on, alpha and tritium<br>
    particles exist, but they are not easy to reveal. Again, some sniffing like the dogs did<br>
    and many will get internal lung damage (not always fatal, but damage anyway). Water<br>
    spraying is a good way to speed up the evaporation of these light, radioactive<br>
    elements. And that's what they used. Elevated tritium values were found in three<br>
    places at the WTC area. Five days later. Some unexpected Beta readings also have<br>
    been measured. Guess why they are not telling, what was found earlier, say 9/13?</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>4) Electromagnetic pulse.</b> <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">The EMP would have been a lot stronger</span></font> than just having an unknown number of cell phones go (temporarily?) dead - which in any case may have occurred during the destruction of the North Tower. You know, the tower on top of which there was a... telecomm mast.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">False. Many types of devices went dead at the moment the first tower &quot;collapsed&quot;.<br>
    You cannot expect better info than what the German engineers already published.<br>
    &lt;</span><a href="http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/plate5.htm"><font color="#0000ff"><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/plate5.htm</span></u></font></a><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">&gt;<br>
    Locating the mini-hydrogen bomb underground and directing it upwards both will<br>
    reduce the EMP pulse effects outside the target building.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>5) Seismic shock.</b> Seismic data directly contradicts claims of a massive explosion at the start of the destruction sequence: the shockwaves rise in amplitude and reach their maximum when the rubble hits the ground.
    </p>
    <p align="left">A bomb described above (points 3 and 4) does, in fact, not belong to the class &quot;thought experiment&quot;<br>
    but rather to the class &quot;theoretical device&quot;. Hydrogen bombs do, however, remain an extremely remote possibility.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Babbling. Pure mini-hydrogen bomb just happens to fit best into the evidence. Whatever you call it. Seismic shock was reduced, because the H-bomb was not directly coupled with the bedrock. You<br>
    are free to accept the official explanations, but for me it was a sharp pulse (and the seismic timescale<br>
    is propably falsified).</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>6) Availability.</b> Where, exactly, would these pure H-bombs have been acquired? How many people would it introduce to the conspiracy? Is it reasonable to think that beyond-cutting-edge technology would be field tested for the first time in an operation this important, especially when there are easier options?
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">They were cutting edge around 1990, not 2001. Surely they have been tested.<br>
    A friendly branch of the cabal has propably been allowed to steal some from US storages. This part<br>
    of the conspiracy needs propably four people. The same cabal using these mininukes seems to have influence into what types of nuclear bombs are being monitored, and currently the emphasis is on<br>
    atomic type devices. </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The UN near the WTC failed to register these explosions</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> around their corner,<br>
    and yet they are supposed to monitor the whole globe effectively. See discussion of modern H-bombs (directed, pure etc.) </span><a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510071.pdf"><font color="#0000ff"><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510071.pdf</span></u></font></a>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>7) Need.</b> If plastic explosives, <a href="http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html"><font color="#0000ff"><u>thermite</u></font></a> and maybe thermobarics get the job done, why mess around with the nuclear stuff? (Many do not even consider the claim that potential energy alone could explain the observed destruction to be surprising enough to protest it, so how likely is it that there were devices of even greater destructive power in the towers?)
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">A single non-radioactive smaller-than-pineapple device reduces the need of explosives by more than<br>
    a quarter (I'm talking thousands of charges being saved). It helps to solve the problem of very strong<br>
    core columns near the bedrock and the need to use very heavy charges. It also creates a deep<br>
    mystery –the crime scene is more difficult to analyse.<br>
    <br>
    From economic point of view the NYC would have spent soon 2 billion dollars to dismantle the<br>
    WTC containing asbestos, and it would have caused some years of traffic jams. The new buildings<br>
    would have cost some 10 billion dollars and again have caused more traffic problems. Controlled demolition well done and combined with an insurance fraud saved some 2+7 billion dollars and<br>
    two years of traffic jams to the NYC. After 9/11 the insurance companies all raised the insurances<br>
    of any high rise buildings and actually got more wealthy. The true losers are </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">we</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> the People.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>8) Risk.</b> If the bomb emitted any radiation at all, it might have been detected. Unless the conspirators succeeded in manning these security positions as well, I suppose.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">These bombs have so far never been analysed correctly. Using them in the US was practically riskless because the cabal controls the key institutions and is able to cause what looks like &quot;</span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">stand down order</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">&quot;<br>
    in the air defence, for an example. Or to </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">cover up</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> the shooting of the congressman Ryan and </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">mass murder</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">of some 700 americans at Jonestown, Guayana (as declared by the local coroner<br>
    Leslie Mootoo).</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>9) Other observations.</b> <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">An atomic bomb</span></font> is not required to explain the fact that pieces of the<br>
    towers were thrown into the walls of nearby buildings: Most of the pieces claimed to be heavy steel<br>
    are in fact <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">aluminium cladding</span></font>, and during the destruction sequences tensions in the structures of the<br>
    towers were surely high enough to propel a small number of wall elements all the way to eg. <a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/img/wfc3.jpg"><font color="#0000ff"><u>WFC3</u></font></a>.<br>
    I see nothing strange about the alleged brown hue of the dust clouds, and the &quot;afterglow&quot; that is occasionally mentioned (a flare effect?) can be seen only on one or two videos. Persistent heat<br>
    in the rubble can be explained with<font color="#ff0000"> <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">the continuing chemical reaction of excess thermite</span></font>.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">To start with misleading elements here: mini-hydrogen bombs, </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">not </span></b><font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">atomic bombs</span></font><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The wall elements weight 22 tons each</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> and in upper parts of the towers they are 4 floors high. They were bolted and welded into other exterior wall elements and into the floors. Exactly such elements are visible in the walls<br>
    of neighbouring buildings (like in the AMEX building 175 meters away). They were both ripped off and thrown upwards at almost the optimal 45 degree angle. The aluminium cladding needs not to be talked, </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">those steel elements were clearly recognized</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. In controlled demolitions the elements are usually thrown away horizontally. In this case there was no good locations to place such charges (they usually need<br>
    cutter charges to cut elements off and springer charges combined to throw them away). From these<br>
    towers </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">it was difficult to get the outer wall elements flying</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. If the springer charge is a powerful<br>
    explosive –like C-4 the steel element will be smashed into fragments and it will not fly at all. Any<br>
    need to throw these elements is missing, and while one could claim some just flew accidentally<br>
    </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">this is not explaining why</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> those </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">elements were thrown upwards into a long-flying trajectory</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">So what really happened was not a controlled demolition using military explosives only. What was observed was </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">some unavoidable side effects of a thermonuclear detonation</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. The first outer<br>
    wall elements started to fly upwards, because the H-bomb was in the basement and it was directed upwards. </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The heath</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">from this thermonuclear device also explains many other observations</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> like:</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The surface of the steel elements begun to boil and evaporated as a gray vapor<br>
    There was record quantities of near-molecular metallic dust in the WTC area<br>
    The people, the furniture and the computers in towers vapourized, disappearing<br>
    Practically all the concrete in towers disintegrated into very fine dust<br>
    There was pyroclastic flow observed in the rapidly expanding clouds at the WTC<br>
    The explosion clouds expanded rapidly into 5-fold volume (in controlled demos<br>
    they should only move off a few meters and then cool down, not moving any more)<br>
    The steels were superhot a long time, because some of their interiors were heated<br>
    up into something like 7000 degrees C. First such a steel evaporates, the outer-<br>
    most layers vapourize and the rest cools off very little. Later the temperature goes<br>
    belowe the boiling point around 3000 degrees C. Now the steel becomes white hot<br>
    and starts melting, cooling off a little. Later the temperature goes belowe the melting<br>
    point around 1550 degrees C and the steel cools off more, becoming yellow hot, red<br>
    hot and so on in the process.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The spire behauviour –some coupled core steel columns remained standing about<br>
    25 seconds, ablating, and after having vapourized enough the joints broke down<br>
    and the steel columns disappeared quickly downwards, but the steel vapour<br>
    remained in the air, slowly disappearing into wind.<br>
    There was ponds of molten steel in the elevator shafts of WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7.<br>
    They were difficult to cool down, because other steels above them first vapourized<br>
    all the water being sprayed. So the hottest steels did not meet the water at all.<br>
    There was paper trash on the streets, because some stacks of paper avoided the<br>
    cone of destruction of the directed mini-thermonuclear bomb. So the blast wave<br>
    bypassed some paper stacks and the following turbulence threw papers out of the<br>
    windows. The paper is too soft a target for high energy neutrons, so the papers<br>
    did not heath up and disintegrate like the heavier elements.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The basic thermite cannot explain the heath for more than a few days. But there is<br>
    no point of using that, either. If attached to core columns, thermite charges will melt<br>
    their binders much before they are able to melt those vertical columns. What was<br>
    propably used was army-type demolition charges. They have thermite mixed with<br>
    sulfur and nanoaluminium, possibly with other chemicals too. They build a very hot<br>
    cutting spray which is capable of cutting through steel beams quickly, 10...100 times<br>
    faster than the basic thermite (and this mix is often called thermate). And the basic<br>
    thermite only melts, it has no cutting effect (so it would be better suited for horizontal<br>
    beams). But both thermite and thermate will burn continuously, they already have all<br>
    the oxygen they need. The reason those underground steels were hot for 100 days<br>
    is in the massive heath load caused by the thermonuclear directed energy device, not<br>
    some isolated packages of thermite or thermate.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left">Though it's not impossible than <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">an atomic device</span></font> was in each tower, I consider this<br>
    to be the <i>third</i> most implausible theory of the relatively well-known ones: only<br>
    bluescreens and holograms go beyond it. (If you don't know what 'bluescreens'<br>
    and 'holograms' refer to, well, good.)
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Obviously you are overestimating your knowledge in many other areas of expertise<br>
    besides military explosives and nuclear explosives. I know better than start talking<br>
    on 33 year old inventions I'm not an expert. But I can assure you don't know the<br>
    state-of-the-art military technology in this field, either.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left">One more point against the claim of a nuclear bomb needs to mentioned:
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b>Truth strategy</b>
    </p>
    <ul>
    <li>There are no people to whom it would be a good idea to tell about this theory first.
    <li>It does not convince anybody who isn't already convinced.
    <li>It represents an unfortunate tendency in the area of alternative explanations to 9/11, the<br>
    desire to propose ever more exotic hypotheses.
    <li>A hydrogen bomb is to the &quot;bombs in the towers&quot; group of theories what the &quot;no-plane&quot;<br>
    &nbsp;group of theories is to the larger 9/11 truthseeking: a noise factor that harms the more<br>
    well-founded claims.</li>
    </ul>
    <p align="left">Since the harm done by the &quot;WTC H-bomb&quot; theory has, in contrast to the widespread unfortunate<br>
    effects of many other bogus theories, been minimal up to now, it would be easy to just ignore it.<br>
    It may not, however, remain that obscure for much longer: Rick Siegel, who in his sincere video<br>
    9/11 Eyewitness in passing mentioned that he thought a nuclear bomb had been set off at the WTC,<br>
    has included the nuclear bomb theory in Eyewitness Hoboken, the next version of his video.
    </p>
    <p align="left">With this in mind, it may be necessary to examine how the theory has been advanced:<br>
    1) An anonymous Finnish &quot;military expert&quot; proposes it.<br>
    2) Hannu Yli-Karjanmaa accepts the theory to be posted on the website he maintains, <a href="http://11syyskuu.org/"><font color="#0000ff"><u>11syyskuu.org</u></font></a>.<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mr. Yli-Karjanmaa is one of the leading 9/11 activists in Finland, and also a supporter of<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; maintaining neutrality towards <i>every</i> theory, just in case there is some truth to them.<br>
    3) According to a message on a Finnish 9/11 email list (maintained by 11syyskuu.org), the<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; anonymous original theorist agitates Mr. Siegel on the subject.
    </p>
    <p align="left">And so the extreme theory has gone from a dubious source via a <a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/aa77.html#2"><font color="#0000ff"><u>Big Tent</u></font></a> advocate to, possibly,<br>
    wide promotion. Surely, an unfortunate example of the ease at which bogus theories propagate.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><a name="email">I</a> have recently engaged in an email discussion on the issue with the alleged expert, with Hannu<br>
    Yli-Karjanmaa acting as an intermediary:
    </p>
    <ul>
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom1.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>His first message (in response to my initial debunking)</u></font></a>
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom1re.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>My first response</u></font></a>
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom2.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>His second message</u></font></a>
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom2re.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>My second response</u></font></a>
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom3.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>His third message</u></font></a>
    <li>At this point <u>the maintainer of the mailing list saw fit to gag me for several days</u>.<br>
    Apparently, failure to show adequate respect towards someone disseminating<br>
    bullshit is a greater evil than disseminating said bullshit.
    <li><a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/atom3re.txt"><font color="#0000ff"><u>My third response</u></font></a></li>
    </ul>
    <p align="left">Decide for yourself, but I think that the &quot;expert&quot; displays an astoundingly poor command of facts (conventional, nuclear and WTC-related), and was unable to produce a coherent explanation<br>
    that would require <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">an atomic device</span></font>. For example, he claims that severing <font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">each core pillar would<br>
    &nbsp;require C4 charges a foot thick and</span></font> yet<font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0"> a hydrogen bomb</span></font> alone would not be sufficient.<br>
    If one H-bomb per tower was an elegant solution for the collapses that cleanly explained<br>
    all the observed phenonema, one might be inclined to entertain it. But it is not.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">This is misleading</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. I said the core is in the shape of fairly long rectangle, and the <u>stealth</u> mini<br>
    H-bomb <u>needs to be set so the total-destruction fireball remains within that core rectangle</u>.<br>
    Thus at the edge of the core area there&nbsp; will be columns too far to be destroyed with the<br>
    mini H-bomb. This is why the hydrogen bomb needs to be augmented with cutter charges<br>
    placed on the outermost pillars and the upper floors of the core.Not <b>all</b>, <u>just the outermost ones</u>.<br>
    <br>
    These columns also would be cut into suitable truckloads. The directed H-device and the<br>
    cutting charges will quarantee there will be an abyss of at least 20 meters under the central core.<br>
    The next cutting plane can be set 40 meters above the bedrock so the tower will still collapse<br>
    belowe the groud level. The rest of the cutting charges will be set 20 meters above the previous<br>
    cutting plane up to the 90th floor or so. The superthermate cutting charges will cut those core<br>
    columns full or almost full cut, after which the mini H-device will shake the columns totally cut.</span></font>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">As the abyss (20 meters) opens in the bottom of the central core, above it there will be fairly heavy<br>
    part of the building drawing towards the center and downwards. There will be strong sprays of steel<br>
    sparkles in the central core area, and lots of smoke, but no additional oxygen is needed and the<br>
    smoke will not be visible before the wall of the core or the top of the tower will break. As a finishing<br>
    touch the fire alarm system no doubt was set to malfunction at this time. The cutting charges within the<br>
    core need to be triggered first, several minutes before the thermonuclear device in the elevator shaft<br>
    at cellar area.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">Of course, the mini H-device is not mandatory. The Twin Towers can be demolished using standard<br>
    military explosives. If the charges need to be set fairly quickly, some 6 500 charges would be needed<br>
    for each tower. And if this could be prepared like a controlled demolition, taking its time (remember<br>
    many floors were vacated, no tenants there -the towers already were old and less attractive). If some<br>
    of the charges can be sunk within the steels, something in the order of 10 tons of explosives with<br>
    plenty of time would suffice. But this is not the point. There is strong <b>evidence</b>, that the attackers<br>
    <b>actually used a </b></font></span><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><b>mini H-device</b>.</span></font>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">For the first, there are hundreds of pictures and videos showing <b>the huge explosion</b> like this one:<br>
    </font></span><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">This Picture is for education and discussion Only.&nbsp; Not for commercial use.</span></b>
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    <img src="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/imag1.jpg" width="641" height="593"></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman"><b>This is an absolute certain explosion, not any type of collapse or clean,<br>
    controlled demolition. And the device in use here is <u>an upwards directed<br>
    mini H-bomb</u>. </b>Even in this picture, there are <b>10+ </b>superheated outer wall elements<br>
    spitting a steel-vapour trail behind them. Additionally, plenty of pulverized concrete<br>
    is visible! And it comes from the floor plates. In the outer walls of the building there<br>
    was steels, glass and some heath insulation only.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">It is not possible to set conventional military explosives in a way to achieve this<br>
    result shown in the picture. So much and so heavy stuff flying at once simply is not<br>
    possible, if the building still was in office use as we know it was. This picture is<br>
    stranger than you may believe. The diameter of the mushroom cloud above the<br>
    building is in the order of 200 meters. At the edges of this mushroom cloud there<br>
    are steels weighting tons and outer wall elements weighting 22 tons each. But also<br>
    enormous amouths of pulverized concrete. And more of it climbing vertically upwards<br>
    at the top of the tower.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">Ejecting those heavy steels, especially those 22-ton outer wall steel elemenments<br>
    with onventional military explosives is very difficult because there are very little<br>
    strong points behind the outer walls to place springer charges. No one will ever<br>
    plan a controlled demolition, where 22-ton steel elements are thrown upwards in<br>
    some 60-degree angle. If something needs to be moved to smoothen the explosive<br>
    chain it will be moved horizontally. But there is no need for such ejecta, either.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">It is commonly believed you could simulate a thermonuclear detonation (or actually<br>
    frame it) using huge stocks of conventional military explosives. In this case, where<br>
    they actually detonated a <b>1-kiloton</b> <b>H-device</b>, it should be possible to frame it<br>
    setting <b>a thousand tons of tnt</b> within this tower. This means you order <b>60 truckloads<br>
    of tnt (17 tons each) </b>and a huge number of fuzes and explosive cord to wire them.<br>
    But remember, we saw some <u>single cutting charges</u> firing 10 to 20 stores belowe the<br>
    &quot;collapse&quot;, but never more than one at a time. In my opininion, those detonations were<br>
    skilfully timed to separate them both in time and in space. Lets see what happens, if<br>
    we try to repeat what is shown in the picture <u>using conventional explosives</u> of various<br>
    types <u>only</u>.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">Suppose we set <b>200 tons of tnt</b> onto those two floors exploding in the picture. Then<br>
    we set it all to be exploded within a few milliseconds. What would happen? The tower<br>
    would explode, yes. Those smaller outer wall steels smashed (weighting a<b> few tons</b>)<br>
    would fly away just like they do in yhe picture. But those <b>22-ton</b> wall elements would<br>
    not start to fly into a neat ballistic curve first going steep upwards and later downwards.<br>
    And the thick steel vapour trail following each one would surely be missing. There would<br>
    not be heavy clouds of concrete, there would be thinner dust only. The noise of the<br>
    explosion would be much louder. Something like a fireball would form up there (and not<br>
    be hidden in the basement out of sight what really happened). A flame would strike out<br>
    next to every window not unlike a 2-deck frigate from 18th century firing a full broadside<br>
    salvo.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">The mechanismus behind the picture above was quite different. The fireball of the H-device<br>
    formed out of sight around 3rd cellar floor of the central core. The bomb was directed<br>
    upwards so some 95% ot the energy went that way into the cone of destruction. Some<br>
    additional holes were propably blown minutes before triggering the H-device in order to<br>
    facilitate the explosion. Without it the H-bomb would hit with full force the roof of the<br>
    elevator shaft (and the roof of the tower) but this is too narrow and not what was<br>
    observed. A terribly strong, invisible blast of neutrons went up in the cone of destruction,<br>
    converting steels <b>superhot</b> and <b>exploding</b> lesser objects instantenously. The concrete<br>
    floors were penetrated easily and all the concrete exploded as any water within it<br>
    vapourized into <b>1000-fold volume</b> (and not 24-fold, as I said earlier 15 months ago).</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">Quickly behind the neutron volley arrived the heath wave and the blast wave caused<br>
    by the fireball effect. All material within the cone of destruction totally disintegrated<br>
    (exect some of the heaviest steel beams and columns). Some materials outside the<br>
    cone was also destroyed, because various objects within the cone caused reflections.<br>
    The picture shows the situation some <b>six</b> seconds after the neutron volley and <b>four+</b><br>
    seconds after the full pressure wave has hit the outer walls of the tower and broke<br>
    through it.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">You simply cannot frame a thernonuclear explosion like this and claim that perhaps it<br>
    was just a huge explosion using conventional explosives (like super-rdx and super-<br>
    thermate in this case). The conventional explosives will produce very much mechanical<br>
    energy (blast pressure wave), a little thermal effects and no radioactive radiation of residues.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">I suppose that part of the readers who already have some clue will find out roughly<br>
    what took place. If&nbsp; you don't know the explosives can be directed, start reading about<br>
    the hollow (shaped) charge. Then find out what a claymore mine is, and proceed to some<br>
    advanced weapon which affects the target by exploding far away (in Finland we have<br>
    what is called &quot;light antitank flanking mine&quot;; in the US there are cluster antitank bombs<br>
    with the bomblets hovering and exploding above the tanks with approximately the same<br>
    effects). If you don't know the same is possible with a pure hydrogen 4th generation<br>
    nuclear bomb, please see the link (Gspooner) referred at the end of reason <b>6 </b>) in the<br>
    beginning of this document. As I first published this theory the reference was not available<br>
    -you know the real experts from their ability to estimate what will be coming next in their<br>
    field of profession.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">One more step ahead. <u>Why no one has told these things</u> in the magazines, newspapers,<br>
    &nbsp;in TV or in the radio? And could there be people so evil they kill thousends of their<br>
    countrymen without heasitation? The media is very concentrated and our real rulers are<br>
    a small group of ultra wealthy people controlling the media as well as the central banks.<br>
    The situation was the same already at the end of 19th century, <u>for more than one hundred<br>
    years ago</u>. And regarding the evil those religious people having faith will catch this one<br>
    quicker. But <u>the US had it's last true war 1812</u> (the second war against the British) and<br>
    <b>all the wars</b> after that have been based on frameups, false-flag operations and other<br>
    state terrorism (including the original Pearl Harbour, which was preceeded by eight<br>
    insults against the Japan). In the real life the rulers of smaller countries are not madmen,<br>
    and they do not challenge contemporary superpowers, or even states with an equal<br>
    strength (what ever the media is saying).</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><font face="Times New Roman">So I hope I have been able to clarify what problems are to be expected when the current<br>
    favourite theory in the 9/11 truth movement (MIH with conventional explosives) is being<br>
    compared with this mini H-device theory. There are more than 20 weird observations<br>
    pointing to my theory. Please try to spread the word.</font></span>
    </p>
    <p align="left">Thus we conclude the WTC hydrogen bomb, the most significant 9/11 theory of Finnish<br>
    origin, to be hopefully dead. Curtain down.
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Oh, you still hate to let the readers to decide? In the civilized circles there is such a principle,<br>
    that one's own judgements could be subjective, and not very neutral. This is why third persons<br>
    are usually called up to estimate the evidence and to give an objective judgement. So I lay<br>
    this case to rest and I'm sure some neutral people will comment on this some day.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">I suggest the reader starts looking those </span><font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">atomic bomb</span> </font><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">mistakes or misleads.</span><font color="#ff0000"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> </span></font><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">This young man<br>
    tries to <b>refute</b> a specific theory regarding very modern </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">mini-hydrogen devices</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">, but most<br>
    of the time </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">what he mentions are atomic bombs</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">An atomic bomb </span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">is built based on very heavy elements, <b>plutonium</b> or <b>uranium</b>.<br>
    An atomic bomb also is very polluting, and it has a critical mass type explosion mechanism<br>
    which does not allow very small bombs or also necessary directed energy effects. The<br>
    energy distribution of an atomic bomb is also less suitable for the purposes used in the WTC.<br>
    An atomic bomb emits 50% of it's energy in blast force, 35% in thermal radiation and the<br>
    remaining 15% in various radioactive forms (initial radiation 5%, residual radiation 10%).<br>
    </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The use of covert atomic bombs in the WTC towers is an utterly hopeless idea</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">, which is<br>
    why this evil young man misrepresents my theory so eagerly offering those A-bombs.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The hydrogen bomb</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> is very different. It uses the lightest of the elements, like various<br>
    forms of <b>hydrogen</b> and <b>lithium</b>. It has very small minimum size, the cherry-size pellets<br>
    are typical in fusion energy designs. It can be made into directed-energy device much<br>
    like conventional military explosives. And the energy distribution is more useful, some<br>
    80% is in neutron and thermal radiation (and in this case, neutrons also use most of their<br>
    energy in warming steels and other hard targets). Some 15% goes to blast effects and<br>
    the remaining 5% into various radiations. In covert operations like the WTC the residual<br>
    effects of the hydrogen bomb are neatly disappearing into the winds and this process<br>
    can be speeded up with continuous spraying of water (which also is what happened).<br>
    Some of the tritium binds with oxygen forming tritiated water (which is less harmful than<br>
    the free tritium remains) and spraying will also get these lighter-than-air molecules moving,<br>
    out into the skies.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">What will be difficult to cover up are random radioactive changes caused by the energetic<br>
    neutrons. This is why those steels were scuttled and exported from the country as quickly<br>
    as possible. There will be some hot spots, and melting those steels and re-using them will<br>
    not get the radioactivity to disappear. So such a contaminated steel cannot be used freely,<br>
    for an example to build furniture, ships, cars or personal armour. Building bridges and oil<br>
    tanks with it will be less a health problem. Note: most of the steel will not contaminate<br>
    easily. The Fe56 atom absorbs a neutron and becomes a stable Fe57 atom. The Fe57<br>
    atom absorbs a neutron and it becomes a stable Fe58 atom. If the Fe58 atom once again<br>
    absorbs a neutron, then there will be radioactive Fe59 isotope (Beta minus decay, Gamma<br>
    radiation too). But there are small amouths of other elements like Chromium, Nickel and<br>
    Vanadium present in the steels, too. Unusual concentrations of Fe57 and Fe58 could tell<br>
    the recycled WTC steel has been close to the thermonuclear explosion. And these changes<br>
    are permanent, this is proovable 100 years from now if necessary.</span>
    </p>
    <p align="left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">No one with any insight into various nuclear weapons will blur these two, atomic bombs<br>
    and thermonuclear bombs. And </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">all the observations</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> I mentioned in </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">3, 4</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> and </span><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">9</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">need to be<br>
    explained somehow</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. If this mini-hydrogen bomb is not a good explanation, feel free to offer<br>
    something better instead. But before something in the lines &quot;asthmathic person with a<br>
    breaking oxygen bottle&quot; are being invented to explain each item, I would like to point out,<br>
    that if we are searching the truth </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">there is a principle called </span></u><b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Occam's razor</span></b><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">. </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Some 20-plus<br>
    odd observations can all be explained</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> in elegant way </span><u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">with just a single mini-hydrogen device</span></u><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"><br>
    with a basement placement. In the end analysis the simplest explanation will prevail.</span>
    </p>

    Source:
    http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/H-device.htm

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