No sense of direction

[Mr. G]

I have an IQ of 155

Then how likely it is that the other 99% can tell you something you can't already figure out for yourself?

If you have to ask...

[Theoryofrelativity]

I understand what you are saying. I too have no sense of direction. I have gotten lost all of my life. My family makes jokes about me all the time. Once when I was a teenager, we moved to a new neighbor. I took the dog for a walk and could not find my way home. Someone let me come in their house and use the phone. My father had to send my little brother to come get me. Yet for some reason I keep wanting to give other people directions. Do you find that you also lack in judging measurements? Just curious because I do and I have often wondered if the two malfunctions are related. For example: How old does someone look, how far is it from here to that tree, about how tall do you think he is, how much do you think this thing weigh? I'd make a terrible eye-witness at a bank robbery. Is it just about directions or does it include the lack of ability to make trivial judgements, or estimates? Not sure if two are related at all, but it feels like it to me. How bout' you?

Hi, as noted in previous posts I can judge distance very well , can park great, cut a deck exactly in half, predict accurately someones pupil distances to nearest mm. But as you say I would also make a poor eye witness. Once at school we played a game in class to do with detection and i was asked what a class mate in my team was wearing. I was blindfolded. I was not even able to recall the main colours let alone the style of clothes. The teacher was aghast. I'd been in this team of 5 all morning. If you ask me what restaurant i went to or where it was, I could not recall the name details.

But measurements and guessing distance etc, I am very good.

[pasquala]

Well whatever the cause I sure would like to know if there are any mental exercises we can do to enhance that part of our brain which tells us which way to go and turn. In my job I have to go on the road and into clients homes but first I have to find their homes and then I have to find my way back. One day (and this is no lie, my co-workers still make fun of me for it) I had to go to a new clients home and I never made it there. I started out in Tennessee and ended up in Virginia. I remember seeing billboards signs advertising the state lottery and I thought to myself, "Hey since when did Tenn get a lottery" (note TN has one now) I finally decided to turn around and go back, but that wasn't as easy as it sounded. The way back apparently took a different direction. Anway, why do guys have an easier time with directions? I think it is because they have peters with metal in them. Their peters always point them to magnetic north like a compass, so the next time that you see a guy being lead somewhere by his peter, he's obviously on his way to a certain destination. (I'm just kidding about that)

[Saint]

you need training, play more 3D video games will help you.

[Absane]

you need training, play more 3D video games will help you.

I don't know. Personal experience tells me otherwise.

[Oli]

I have an IQ of 155 as tested by mensa, putting me in top 1% of population re intelligence so think again.

Nope. Try a different test - there are some that test for many different aspects of intelligence including spatial awareness as a separate value.

155? Pfft.

[Theoryofrelativity]

Nope. Try a different test - there are some that test for many different aspects of intelligence including spatial awareness as a separate value.

155? Pfft.

I did say it's likely to have deteriorated, I think having kids does that to you.

[Mr. G]

A true 155 would have bested the challenge of a "lesser"...

[Absane]

155s tend to be social outcasts, too. As rare is it to have someone on that level, it's even rarer to ever see them. Usually they struggle with making sense of ethical systems and making sense of themelves.

Or at least that is what I read about. I never came across someone that smart. The smartest guys I ever knew.. one went to GaTech to sit infront of a computer all day programming. Never make contact with people. The other guy.. he goes to GaTech, too. When not doing his internship at NASA he is drinking and having wild parties.

[Theoryofrelativity]

155s tend to be social outcasts, too. As rare is it to have someone on that level, it's even rarer to ever see them. Usually they struggle with making sense of ethical systems and making sense of themelves.

Or at least that is what I read about. I never came across someone that smart. The smartest guys I ever knew.. one went to GaTech to sit infront of a computer all day programming. Never make contact with people. The other guy.. he goes to GaTech, too. When not doing his internship at NASA he is drinking and having wild parties.

Are you aware that Sharon Stone has an IQ of 155, hardly a social outcast

More Clever celebrities:
"The following famous people have a high IQ -
Sir Jimmy Savile; journalist Garry Bushell; sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov; actress Geena Davis; MP Vincent Cable; footballers Andy Harris and Joey Beauchamp; TV presenters Carol Vordeman and Jamie Theakston; biologist Dr Jack Cohen; boxer Nicky Piper and swimmer Adrian Moorhouse."

[Theoryofrelativity]

Then how likely it is that the other 99% can tell you something you can't already figure out for yourself?

If you have to ask...

155s tend to be social outcasts, too. As rare is it to have someone on that level, it's even rarer to ever see them. Usually they struggle with making sense of ethical systems and making sense of themelves.

Or at least that is what I read about. I never came across someone that smart. .

I suspect some doubting thus see link:


http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ensa002nu8.jpg


(personal details covered to protect my identity and no I don't live with someone who can hand me this at such short notice so clearly it is mine)
Note, this is the same test Fraggle Rocker did and while a home test was conducted honestly as it would be pointles excercise to cheat especially as I paid to take it. Also note, I have conceded this result is not likely to be the same now, some 10+ yrs on.


The mensa test (as FRocker will know) doesn't test general knowledge as general knowledge is not a marker of intelligence (apparantly? Myself I was not impressed by the test)

I am not a genius (obviously!) neither am I educated on every topic that exists in the universe, should I be? Is this what it means to you to be intelligent? Personally regardless of what is written on that subject, I regard intelligence as the ability to see the wood for the trees and problem solve. I know many accademics who cannot do that, they possess great memories and can recite facts, but as for thinking for themselves, well that's a different matter.

Meanwhile the man who thinks they know everything knows nothing. I do not regard that result of mine as unique, as not everyone has had a mensa test. I only mentioned it because Varda suggested my lack of direction was due to lack of intelligence. This is clearly incorrect. Whether you accept my 'result' or not, I may be a bit out there somethimes but I am not an idiot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopi...gence/iq.shtml



"Is IQ a good measure of intelligence?
Whether IQ tests actually test general intelligence, or g, is debatable. Many see IQ tests as an assessment of an individual’s problem solving ability rather than general intelligence. However, they are not even a comprehensive test of someone's problem solving ability. Although they may assess analytical and verbal aptitude well, they aren't an accurate test of creativity, practical knowledge, and other skills involved in problem solving. So how can IQ tests be seen as a measure of intelligence? Some argue that they just show how good the individual is at IQ tests!"

I am in agreement with the above.

[Zephyr]

A Zen koan tells of a wise monk who visited a great teacher. He entered the teacher's room and sat before him. `When you came in' asked the teacher, `which side of the door did you leave your stick?' The monk did not know. `In that case, you have lost your Zen'.

http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/Day3.html

Maybe you should take up Zen Buddhism

[Theoryofrelativity]

A Zen koan tells of a wise monk who visited a great teacher. He entered the teacher's room and sat before him. `When you came in' asked the teacher, `which side of the door did you leave your stick?' The monk did not know. `In that case, you have lost your Zen'.

http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/Day3.html

Maybe you should take up Zen Buddhism

that link leads to something to do with programming languages? NOT zen buddhism?

blimy, billion paragraphs later:

"The Personal Layered Process
A Zen koan tells of a wise monk who visited a great teacher. He entered the teacher's room and sat before him. `When you came in' asked the teacher, `which side of the door did you leave your stick?' The monk did not know. `In that case, you have lost your Zen'.

After you have seen the structure of your program and are ready to implement it, there is still a great deal to keep control of. Even if you can see the critical lines of code there are still a great many others to type in. The discipline required is far greater than any formal process could control, and must be applied intelligently in each new situation.

Your process will break a task down so far, and then you must take over. Like a track-laying vehicle, you must structure your work as it develops. After a while you get to the point where you can do this in your head, very quickly indeed, because you can get leverage out of two techniques.

You can only expand the part of your plan that you are working on. At one point in an activity to add a change to some source might be held in your mind as: "

[Zephyr]

that link leads to something to do with programming languages? NOT zen buddhism?

The link is where I found the quote. And who said Zen couldn't be applied to programming? There's a book called Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance!

[S.A.M.]

The link is where I found the quote. And who said Zen couldn't be applied to programming? There's a book called Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance!

Its on my TBR mountain.

How is it?

[Theoryofrelativity]

The link is where I found the quote. And who said Zen couldn't be applied to programming? There's a book called Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance!

blimey or riley, I think my brain lacks something, it is incurable! What is it!

[Theoryofrelativity]

Where did my zen go, Who has it and can I have it back!

[Zephyr]

Its on my TBR mountain.

How is it?

Sorry, it's more a book I've read about than read, per se.

blimey or riley, I think my brain lacks something, it is incurable! What is it!

Have you heard of non-verbal learning disorder? Although before you assume your brain is missing pieces, why not try paying attention to where you go and see if it makes any difference after a while...?

[Theoryofrelativity]

Sorry, it's more a book I've read about than read, per se.


Have you heard of non-verbal learning disorder? Although before you assume your brain is missing pieces, why not try paying attention to where you go and see if it makes any difference after a while...?

It's very hard and I do try, I just feel disorientated. I do daydream a lot and have been known to drive 16 miles without being aware of how I arrived at my destination!

more over re that link none of the defficits apply to me

"•motoric (lack of coordination, particularly on the left-hand side of the body, severe balance problems, and difficulties with graphomotor skills).

•visual-spatial-organizational (lack of image, poor visual recall, faulty spatial perceptions, difficulties with executive functioning* and problems with spatial relations).

•social (lack of ability to comprehend nonverbal communication, difficulties adjusting to transitions and novel situations, and deficits in social judgment and social interaction).

•sensory (sensitivity in any of the sensory modes: visual, auditory, tactile, taste or olfactor"

I am a great catcher, ambidextrous in that dept, as I said before great at parking cars, could reverse an entire journey, can guess distance very well, guess a pd to within a mm, cut a deck of cards right down the middle. Read people very well, no probs socially, no sensory problems. No balance problems.

The spatial retard thing I posted sounded like me, but its not an official condition I don't think?

[Zephyr]

It's very hard and I do try, I just feel disorientated. I do daydream a lot and have been known to drive 16 miles without being aware of how I arrived at my destination!

I do that too (conversely, I've been given lifts by people and then had no idea which route they went ... my parents were surprised how I didn't know the route to my school after a few years) ... I'm not sure it's a very safe way to drive, mind you. I know I can become more aware of my surroundings if I put in the effort. Although the effect might take a few days to kick in rather than being instantaneous.

The spatial retard thing I posted sounded like me, but its not an official condition I don't think?

Maybe it's too common to be considered pathological