Practical advice fighting Islamic Jihadi global terror?

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  1. Poster Banned Banned

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    I would love to hear from posters real proposals, not just blaming sides.
     
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  3. Sci-Phenomena Reality is in the Minds Eye Registered Senior Member

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    I have a real proposal to fight terrorism and if you follow these steps I promise this is the cure.

    STEP ONE: EVERYONE TURN OFF YOUR TV

    STEP TWO: GO TO INFOWARS.COM

    STEP THREE: READ READ READ (not the newspaper by any means, I mean good liturature, get a good view of your world, don't let the TV and other medias form your political position, don't let the lies take out your logic, don't let them fill up your skull with crude oil instead of IQ)
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Stop supporting Saudi Arabia unless they put a stop to radical Islamic schools. Defeat the Taliban. Don't invade Iraq (oh, wait, it's too late for that one). Become energy independant.
     
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  7. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Practcal advise for the west, take the gloves off, don't worry about what anybody thinks about what you have to do untill it over, the news will forget it in a couple of weeks as the news cycle moves on, and something new will come along to bitch about.
     
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Remember that we're dealing with an enemy who sincerely believes that life on earth is not important. He doesn't care about his own life, those of our civilians, those of his civilians, or those of anybody else who happens to be in the way. He's clinically insane and really believes the biker t-shirt slogan, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out."

    He cannot be intimidated by threatening to kill his people or even by actually doing it. Not even his women, children, great-grandparents, merchants, teachers, healers, and artists.

    We could simply back down. It's conceivable that even at this late stage of the conflict, if the U.S. government would start following the rules of its own Constitution and stop meddling in the affairs of other nations, he might still hate us but lose his passion for active conflict. Of course he'll never stop trying to exterminate Israel until we move it to another planet, so as long as we stand by Israel's defense we're stuck with that.

    What can we really do? We could make it our mission to actually kill all fundamentalist Islamic America-hating terrorists. But would that just turn most of the other more moderate Muslims into fundamentalist America-haters and rouse them to combat to avenge their brethren? We'd have to kill all of them to make it stop. We'd end up having to kill a billion people, ninety percent of whom didn't even start out as our enemies.

    It's not possible to do without destroying civilization or perhaps all life on earth. And even if it could be done, most Americans would not approve of genocide.

    Hopefully.

    Hopefully.

    I hope somebody else can come up with a better answer.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The president could be true to the teachings of Jesus and turn the other cheek. They wouldn't know what to do. We would become martyrs for democracy.
     
  10. The only answer is to wean ourselves off oil. Theoretically, we could go all electric and use coal and nuclear at the plants to generate. In the meantime we invade antartica and wait for global warming to thaw it well enough to enable profitable drilling/mining of resources.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    But as you have said, "He's clinically insane and really believes the biker t-shirt slogan, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." so when they continue to come after us what do we do then, they are rouge's and just as in nature the are absolutely dangerous, and as in dealing with any rouge in nature it must be killed to make the world safe, so no more mister nice guy, take the bastards out with out any mercy, step on them like bugs, they have call for the thunder so let them have the lethal lightning that goes with it, to draw back will not stop them, it will only get more people killed.
     
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  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    spidergoat, you turn the other cheek to these bastards, they will hand your head to you.
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    sleeper555, that would be nice except the enviomentalist, anti nuke power, the fact that viabale alternatives are not on line.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, they respect that. They might kill thousands of us, but eventually they will realize we are righteous, and it would have still been less than those killed so far in the war on terrorism. If we were real Christians, that's what we would do.
     
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    How can you "take the bastards out"--all of them--when they are already spread out over a dozen geographically disparate nations? There are Muslim terrorist training camps in Pakistan, Indonesia, Somalia, and the Philippines. We can't invade all of those countries and nobody is going to help us except tiny Israel. And maybe our long-suffering loyal-to-the-death pals in almost-as-tiny Australia.

    How can you "take the bastards out"--all of them--when most of them have families? For every one you take out there are a dozen bereaved relatives. At least two of them are men who, blind with rage, will take up arms against you to avenge the death of their beloved kin.

    How can you "take the bastards out"--all of them--when to attempt to do so would try the patience and raise the ire of the more moderate Muslims? Not to mention raising the fear that Christendom had decided to reinstitute the Crusades. Eventually you really will have one billion Muslims--minus the few tens of thousands you've managed to kill--on the warpath. Whatcha gonna do then, Mister Cowboy?

    How can you "take the bastards out"--all of them--when simply being Mister Cowboy and doggedly forging ahead with your plan will bring about a global-scale nuclear war? Eventually you'll have to start hitting places like Malaysia and Nigeria with nukes to keep the hundreds of millions of formerly barely-moderate Muslims there from signing up for the Jihad. Even if you don't Israel will do it soon enough. Or Pakistan or Iran or Kyrghyzstan. As soon as somebody accidentally or on purpose launches a major strike at India or Russia, all the members of the Nuclear Gentlemen's Club will join in.

    It's not really clear how this would end politically, but in practical terms it will be the end of civilization. And that is exactly what the Islamic fundies want! They basically hate civilization because it offers people too many alternatives to their crazy religion.

    So the end of this scenario is that the bad guys win.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    And with your do nothing scenario he still wins, that is why you take the gloves off, we have to realize that this is a total war, no matter what we do we have to fight them, pulling back will not stop them, what don't you understand about that they will come after us no matter what we do, the best solution on our part is to go after the bastard in their own territory and kill them at home, and if we can keep the battle field over there we can win, but if the battle field end up in the streets of America, Britain, Australia, India, Canada, we loose, what will you say then when you own blood relation start to be blown up, beheaded, enslaved in your own land, who then is to blame for the atrocities. Yes it is possible they could win, but to pull back and not go after them grantees that they will win.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What will they win? The purpose of terror is to make us change our policies, and if not, at least expend our treasure fighting an elusive enemy.
     
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  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Global Sharia' Law and a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world.
     
  19. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Shoot to kill. Kill'em all.

    Life feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life...

    That food chain-thingy.
     
  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    If we would really take the gloves off and stop worrying about our image, stop worrying about civilian casualties, the "moderate" muslims would force the psycho's to come to their senses. Or they'd take them out themselves.

    As it stands they know they can do whatever they want, while we will wring our hands over every casualty. Wait until a nuke or two goes of in a western country. After that, the first crusade will seem like a playdate.
     
  21. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    if everyone in the world... picked up the koran and hugged it... and said publically,, that we all llove, admire and respect the koran...

    we think its great...

    if the whole world did just that simple task... then there would be no MORE infidels.

    and then... and only then... would muslim jihad stop.

    we dont all have to become muslim... we just need to be willing to hug muslims like our brothers. then.... they would have to hug us all BACK.

    ANY VIOLENCE perpetrated by muslims... after that.. would have to have other reasons..... rather than religous strife... since there would be no more strife.

    but humans being what they are... they will probubly find another excuse.

    -MT
     
  22. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    That is not Bin Laden's goal. I think you have watched too much TV. Only in Cartoons do we get pure good against pure evil. Just fighting harder is a rather simplistic answer. Fraggle Rocker explained why just killing more enemies won't work. The USA is a wide open undefendable target. You have no idea what total war would look like. We don't want more motivated enemies.
     
  23. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    Muslim fundamenalists & christians/jews crusaders need to find a common enemy to fight together. Maybe an insignificant island nation somewhere can be idintified as evil or anti-God & anti-Allah. Of course this nation would somehow have nukes (rendering it not-so-inignificant afterall) not to make the conflict too easy to resolve. .... Better yet, if there were alien invaders we would probably see the world unite and the end of terrorism.

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