Why do christians believe that a fetus is a person?

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  1. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Why do christians believe that a fertilized egg is a person?

    I’ve always wondered about this. There seems to be no evidence for it one way or the other in the Bible.
     
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  3. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    One way to look at it is that the majority of fetus' (don't know statistically, but would guess it to be 90% of fetus' grow into babies. by grow, i just mean develop naturally.

    If it were a case that 90% of fetus' die, then maybe they wouldn't be considered babies.


    It is a matter of perspective I guess. Does one look at an apple seed and see a seed or see what they seed will become?

    Just an observation.
     
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  5. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    It is estimated that 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion - usually before the woman is ever even aware that she was pregnant.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
     
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  7. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    It isn't considered a fetus until the 9th week and from your site:

    So are we talking about fertilized eggs or fetus'?

    That 50% stat is for fert. eggs.

    Here is the actual quote from your site:
     
  8. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I should change it to be “fertilized egg” instead of fetus. In fact, I will. Thanks for the correction.
     
  9. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    Our belief is based on theology, not scripture, though we also find evidence in scripture.
     
  10. the preacher fur is loose 666 Registered Senior Member

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    yes you see the seed.
    but sorry, quigly your figures are wrong, approximately 50% of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, most go unnoticed because most happen very early in the pregnancy, before a woman may know she is pregnant, however that which can be measured, found that 25% miscarry before the 6th week, the risk is far greater the old the woman at thirty 1 in 5 chance of a miscarriage, and forty a 1 in 4.
    so you cant say with any certainty that 90% become babies, you can only say you dont know.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Experience
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
    it would seem this statement is more sensible. " If it were a case that 90% of fetus' die, then maybe they wouldn't be considered babies."

    it seems you dont concider a fertilized egg a fetus, A consultant specialising in the care of pregnant women writes: "Life does not begin with birth. When born, we are already nine months old... we have a responsibility to learn how to study the life in utero, and how to care for it" http://www.spuc.org.uk/ethics/abortion/human-development

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Experience
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
     
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  11. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, what is the theological basis for it?
     
  12. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    what differences do your staticstics make to the child, the person in danger?
     
  13. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    Again, 50% of fertilized eggs die. not 50% of fetus'. And the 90% was just a guess, It seems from that web site that 10% are more likely to die between week 7 through 12.

    Again preacher. Fertilized egg is different than fetus. Get with the facts if you are going to argue.
     
  14. the preacher fur is loose 666 Registered Senior Member

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    it seems you dont concider a fertilized egg a fetus, A consultant specialising in the care of pregnant women writes: "Life does not begin with birth. When born, we are already nine months old... we have a responsibility to learn how to study the life in utero, and how to care for it" http://www.spuc.org.uk/ethics/abort...man-development
    incidently I'm not a pro lifer just pointing out your facts are wrong.
     
  15. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    individual human Life begins at the moment of conception. that is the fact.
     
  16. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    The theology is that God is the author of all life. God creates the human soul from nothing at the moment of conception. The soul is the life principle of the body. God is co-creator with the natural parents.
    The human soul does not pre-exist before conception.

    Personhood is an innate reality, a property not seperable from gender or the soul.
    It is an invisible and spiritual reality, similar to the intellect, and is profoundly related God.
     
  17. snake river rufus Registered Senior Member

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    can you prove that?

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  18. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    Science has already proven it.
    unless you show me that its something other than human,
    or something other than life,
    than the pictures speak for themselves.
     
  19. snake river rufus Registered Senior Member

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    uhhh, you might want to cite a source

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  20. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    Lawdog,
    Why would god create a soul if 50% of the time it dies before even developing into a fetus? By your account, half of all souls are never even known to have existed. Are these souls up in heaven or something?
     
  21. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    I was thinking of an embryo created for stem-cell research. A large blob of stem cells does not look especially like a person, so it's not clear to me how pictures could prove anything.
     
  22. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    They are in the hands of the loving God. Somehow they were so pleasing to our Lord that he spared them the evils of this terrestrial life.
     
  23. Lawdog Digging up old bones Registered Senior Member

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    Thats just my point: you are not considering that there are invisible realities.
    The fertilized egg looks no different than a modern art light show or something. Yet activity is a sign of life.
    the end result, a baby, tell us what was going on.
     

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