06-27-06, 03:09 PM #1
Authority of The Church: what can be KNOWN of GODOriginally Posted by wsionynw
God is not cruel. Christ would not have left his Apostles without an anchor of certitude concerning the Truth, and true doctrines, and the means for discerning them.
Christ is the divinity of Mercy, his only hope being for the welfare of all souls. Why would he ascend to Heavan and just leave humans without a sure and constant source of grace?
If Christ had just died and left without beginning a one true Church, would you not consider him ignorant of human nature? Human nature, corrupted by sin, is fallible and, unable to determin the truth by itself, easily falls into schism and heresy.
The Creator above all knows human nature, (since He created it) so he revealed to Mankind a singular and fitting religion, and since there is only one human nature then there can only be one fitting religion appropriate for that human nature. All other religions fall short.
Those others who make claim to be the religion of the true God are in error.
This is not to say that we do not tolerate or even appreciate other religions according to their merits, but we cannot accept them as the singular true religion which is revealed from God. The other religions have too much of human design in them. Perhaps we have too much human sinfulness in our Church, but we are confident that our faith is the one given by Christ.
Our faith, because it is revealed, often seems absurd to those outside of it, and many call us intolerant, but we are not.
Last edited by Lawdog; 06-27-06 at 03:19 PM.
06-27-06, 07:05 PM #2
06-28-06, 01:10 AM #3Originally Posted by Lawdog
06-28-06, 09:22 AM #4
06-28-06, 11:21 AM #5
MEN... SINNERS... you do remmber the dark ages???
the burning of witches???
for you to say they are un-falible... is nonsense...
i do not challenge your faith in GOD.... only your faith in men,...
men who claim to represent GOD... and can never prove it.
and by their historical actions... we, as rational humans, must have some doubt.
not doubt in JESUS or GOD... but doubt in any men... men are all sinners.
06-28-06, 11:30 AM #6
"trust not in princes', yes, sacred scripture teaches us not to trust in men so I do not. The Church is not just a collection of humans however. It is the instrument of God on earth. God uses humans as his instruments. When we follow what they say about God we do so on behalf of God. If they do us wrong than it is on their soul. Nevertheless, in the area of core doctrine they cannot err.
06-28-06, 01:35 PM #7
not doubt in JESUS or GOD...
06-28-06, 01:50 PM #8Originally Posted by Lawdog
You write this stuff as if it was accepted fact, which couldn't be further from the truth. What's more I fail to see what your point is??
Try this as an exercise: briefly explain your religion and why it should be followed to a person that has no knowledge of any religion and no belief in God, perhaps because they have been locked in a box for 20 years (so they will have no social experiences). I'm interested to read how you would go about this....
06-28-06, 02:11 PM #9Originally Posted by Lawdog
God is not cruel.
Why would he ascend to Heavan and just leave humans without a sure and constant source of grace?
often seems absurd to those outside of it,
06-28-06, 10:46 PM #10
i am the church.
06-29-06, 08:42 AM #11
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Hapsburg
'Cause he's a dick.
It is absurd. It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and doesn't even provide any proof or evidence. Everything about your religion defies logic and the laws of physics.
why are you so angry my friend?
Has God's faith upset you?
Please tell me of your wounds.
We can heal you through prayer.
Last edited by Lawdog; 06-29-06 at 08:48 AM.
06-29-06, 06:10 PM #12Originally Posted by Lawdog
God has great hope in you.
divine things are not to be prosecuted and put up to examination by mere mortals.
06-29-06, 11:00 PM #13
Tell me Lawdog... if I came to you from a hell-as-weak supposed nation of herders and farmers and said "CONVERT TO BUDDHISM! IT IS THE TRUE PATH! DO IT OR FEED BUDDHAS WRATH!!" .. do u expect me to believe u would convert? If not, thats exactly what the "idolaters" did... and tell me... praying to a cross on a wall or praying to a statue of the "blessed mother" ... how is THAT not idolatry? you are praying to a friggin STATUE
06-30-06, 02:52 PM #14
06-30-06, 02:56 PM #15
[QUOTE=Hapsburg]Then this "lord" fella is an maniac. A bipolar sociopath. No matter who or what you are, it does not and cannot excuse genocide. This means that your "god" is really no better than adolf hitler or josef stalin or pol pot. Genocide is still genocide, and no matter who carries it out, it is still wrong.
.Obviously, they can, because I just did.
06-30-06, 04:01 PM #16
Doggy, circular argument. The Catholic Church came up with the theology you are attributing to Jesus, who had the opportunity but did not start a temple. There was some diversity of opinion even among the disciples about the exact nature of Jesus' teaching.
In particular, the Catholics chose not to attribute much value to the opinion of Mary.
06-30-06, 04:15 PM #17Originally Posted by c7ityi_
M*W: Yeah, and you also claim to be god and the virgin Mary and Thumbelina. Why don't you just STFU?
06-30-06, 04:17 PM #18Originally Posted by Lawdog
M*W: Neither does your god, and that means you're delusional!
06-30-06, 04:24 PM #19
Originally Posted by Medicine Woman
besides, i've never claimed to be virgin mary or thumbelina. and i never claimed that my person, c7, is god. only the omnipresent existence (self, consciousness) is.
06-30-06, 04:47 PM #20