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[Brian Foley]

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Palestine will recognize the Jewish State, exactly one second after Israel recognizes the Palestinian state.

Most people don't recall that the UN Resolution that created Israel also created a Palestinian state.

But Israel started right out refusing to recognize the Palestinian state because it included land, principally Jerusalem, that Israel coveted. And that is the way the debate has stood ever since. Israel wants recognition by Palestine, but refuses to recognize Palestine in return.

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israel said it wont recognize any palestinian government which calls to destroy the jewish nation. so why would the israelis accept it when Hamas doesnt seem to recognize Israel?

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Russia unlike the United States and the EU never considered Hamas a terrorist organisation, although it believes Hamas must disarm and follow in the footsteps of its more conciliatory predecessor, Fatah.

that's odd.
i wonder what would russia say if israel invited chechen militants.

[mountainhare]

Lay down your weapons so that we can bulldoze your homes, and annex your land...

[funkstar]

Palestine will recognize the Jewish State, exactly one second after Israel recognizes the Palestinian state.

Most people don't recall that the UN Resolution that created Israel also created a Palestinian state.

But Israel started right out refusing to recognize the Palestinian state because it included land, principally Jerusalem, that Israel coveted. And that is the way the debate has stood ever since. Israel wants recognition by Palestine, but refuses to recognize Palestine in return.

The jews accepted the partition plan, and the arabs rejected it.

Thus, your post has it backwards.

Maybe it's because you're an anti-Semite.

[Zephyr]

Lay down your weapons so that we can bulldoze your homes, and annex your land...

Considering they've already done one pull-out, that would just be dumb.

[GeoffP]

Lay down your weapons so that we can bulldoze your homes, and annex your land...

Actually the message is:

"Please stop mortaring and rocketing us, as we have to respond since you're killing our citizens and since this will not drive us into the sea anyway."

Geoff

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Palestine will recognize the Jewish State, exactly one second after Israel recognizes the Palestinian state.

What makes you say that? There is no good evidence or reason to assume that. The new Hamas-based Palestinian Authority has, so far, steadfastly refused to concede that they will recognize Israel’s right to exist. The PA may well learn to live in peace with Israel once it has retreated to its 1967 borders, but I doubt the PA will ever formally recognize the state of Israel.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Actually the message is:

"Please stop mortaring and rocketing us, as we have to respond since you're killing our citizens and since this will not drive us into the sea anyway."

So what’s a justifiable response? Israel has killed at least 5 or 6 (maybe more) innocent Palestinians for every Israeli killed. Israel will willingly kill dozens of innocent women and children bystanders in order to assassinate just a few Palestinian terrorists. That’s war crimes as far as I am concerned.

And who is responding to what? Are the Israelis responding to terrorism, or are the Palestinians responding to the annexation of their land, the denial of their own state and to being herded by the millions into squalid third-world slums and refugee camps?

[TW Scott]

Israel will willingly kill dozens of innocent women and children bystanders in order to assassinate just a few Palestinian terrorists. That’s war crimes as far as I am concerned.

So you think the hiding of terrorist aong a civillian population is an acceptable tactic. Wrong as far as the world should be concerned the organization that hides among innocent should be held accountable for those deaths.

[Brian Foley]

israel said it wont recognize any palestinian government which calls to destroy the jewish nation. so why would the israelis accept it when Hamas doesnt seem to recognize Israel?

That’s because Israel intentionally set out to destroy the Palestinian nation and identity root and branch , Zionism destroyed the Palestinian nation but couldn’t destroy the Palestinian people who are indigenous to that nation . HAMAS must fight fire with fire and that is the only way that the nation of Palestine can be resurrected to resume its rightful and legitimate place amongst the sovereign nations of the world . This can only be accomplished when the rightful indigenous Palestinians re-occupy their native lands which now illegally constitute the squatter state of Eretz Israel .

that's odd.
i wonder what would russia say if israel invited chechen militants.

The Chechen Freedom fighters will not have a bar of Israel , they will find common cause with HAMAS , likewise Russia will not have a bar of Israel . This says how much of a pariah state Israel is becoming and when Israel’s protector and benefactor America disappears through bankruptcy Israel will be friendless .

Lay down your weapons so that we can bulldoze your homes, and annex your land...

And bomb neighbouring nations and put to flight by terror 3 million human beings .

The jews accepted the partition plan, and the arabs rejected it.

Thus, your post has it backwards.

No I have it right , the Palestinians accepted the UN plan but were immediately set upon by the Zionists and the Arab states immediately advanced to protect the Palestinians in a failed attempt prevent an open sore of a nation arising amongst its midsts .

Maybe it's because you're an anti-Semite.

This from a poster who found common cause with , and defended a right wing Danish Newspaper which during the war aided and abetted the Nazi occupiers .

Considering they've already done one pull-out, that would just be dumb.

You mean Israel pulled out of Gaza , surrounded it with barbned wire , economically and politically sealing it hermetically from the outside world . That’s what I refer to as Zionisms version of the Warsaw Ghetto .

What makes you say that? There is no good evidence or reason to assume that. The new Hamas-based Palestinian Authority has, so far, steadfastly refused to concede that they will recognize Israel’s right to exist. The PA may well learn to live in peace with Israel once it has retreated to its 1967 borders, but I doubt the PA will ever formally recognize the state of Israel.

I am explaining to the fact that if Israel demands HAMAS recognize its right too exist , thereby setting the standard , then Israel must set the example . This is just another Israeli ploy to drag the goalposts even further so as there can be no solution to the Palestinian plight as this would mean Isarel having to give up its piratical gains .

[Zephyr]

No I have it right , the Palestinians accepted the UN plan but were immediately set upon by the Zionists and the Arab states immediately advanced to protect the Palestinians in a failed attempt prevent an open sore of a nation arising amongst its midsts .

In that case you'd better correct the Wikipedia article:

'The Arab leadership opposed the plan, arguing that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 67% non-Jewish (1,237,000) and 33% Jewish (608,000). While some Arab leaders opposed the right of the Jews for self-determination in the region, others criticised the amount and quality of land given to Israel. They argued that the area of the Jewish state comprised 55% percent of the Mandate territory, while the Jews owned only 6.5% of it. (The proposal, however, was not solely for the Jews in Palestine but for a secure Jewish homeland.)'

[Brian Foley]

In that case you'd better correct the Wikipedia article:

Your Wikipedia article is referring to the leadership of the Arab nations , not the Palestinians.
The Palestinians , as the Jews as well , had no option but to accept the UN plan of division into areas , the vote was done in the UN without them . This was because Palestine was a British Mandate , and its fate was being sealed by other nations , the Palestinians and Jews were each attempting to salvage the best deal before the inevitable division .

I never argued nor claimed that the Arab nations accepted the plan , I said when the State of Israel was declared the Zionists immediately advanced against the Palestinians areas this initiated the surrounding Arab nations mobilization . Arab armies then mobilized against Isarel because they rightfully feared an expansionist state backed by an outsider nation America , which was reasonable as your article ends :

Arabs also feared that the Jewish state would be a stepping stone for further advancement ;

[funkstar]

No I have it right , the Palestinians accepted the UN plan but were immediately set upon by the Zionists and the Arab states immediately advanced to protect the Palestinians in a failed attempt prevent an open sore of a nation arising amongst its midsts .

Don't come the raw prawn with me, sunshine: In the real world things didn't happen like that. Obviously, you've been reading the wrong history books (if any).

This from a poster who found common cause with , and defended a right wing Danish Newspaper which during the war aided and abetted the Nazi occupiers .

Ooh, that smarted. Got any more barbs for me? Or some actual content?

You're still the anti-Semite, here. Well, along with Happeh.

[GeoffP]

I never argued nor claimed that the Arab nations accepted the plan , I said when the State of Israel was declared the Zionists immediately advanced against the Palestinians areas this initiated the surrounding Arab nations mobilization . Arab armies then mobilized against Isarel because they rightfully feared an expansionist state backed by an outsider nation America , which was reasonable as your article ends :

This would be what we in the real world term a: lie.

The Zionists "advanced" on no one. Rumours were deliberately spread by Arabist, rather than Zionist forces that the Palestinians were going to be massacred by the Israeli forces victorious after the first war. The Palestinians then fled en masse. Unsurprisingly (and understandably) Israeli forces occupied the areas to improve their buffer zone.

So, as usual, you've got it backwards. The State was declared, then invaded, and not the other way around.

I believe General Azzam Pasha (head of the Arab League) called for jihad. "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre". The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Haj Amin Al Husseini) was quoted thusly: "I declare a holy war! Murder the Jews!"

But at least they were honest, eh?

Geoff

[draqon]

Yeah the Jews seem to be a trouble nation indeed, no denying it. Hamas or not Hamas...the Jewish nation in the country of Israel are as militant as Hamas...using rockets to kill their "targets"...hatred on hatred is not an answer. Whats sad is that this war goes on and on and on. Recognizing Hamas as government will do great more to stabilize the situation around the Middle east conflict, rather then recognizing Hamas as a militant group. Forget the pride, better save the society, educate it how to reach their goals by a nonmilitary way.

[Brian Foley]

Don't come the raw prawn with me, sunshine: In the real world things didn't happen like that. Obviously, you've been reading the wrong history books (if any).

Shut up you wanker , Ill take you and mouth on , you lay it out how it happened in 1948 complete with valid historical sources and links , you do it tomorrow , I will guarantee I will win hands down .

Ooh, that smarted.

It ought to , defending a xenophobic rightwing Danish paper with a Nazi collaborationist past .

You're still the anti-Semite, here. Well, along with Happeh.

How old are you , out of curiosity ?

[Brian Foley]

This would be what we in the real world term a: lie.

The Zionists "advanced" on no one. Rumours were deliberately spread by Arabist, rather than Zionist forces that the Palestinians were going to be massacred by the Israeli forces victorious after the first war. The Palestinians then fled en masse. Unsurprisingly (and understandably) Israeli forces occupied the areas to improve their buffer zone.

No rumours below is an actual plan at removing the palestinians .
On April 4 1948 a whole month before the state of Israel was declared The Haganah initiates Plan Dalet. which is

Mounting operations against enemy population centers located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be divided into the following categories:

Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously.

Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the. armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state.

So, as usual, you've got it backwards. The State was declared, then invaded, and not the other way around.

As usual you are making a fool of yourself by making ridiculous statements . Now pay attention to a timeline .

Fighting amonst the Jews and palestinians began on the 21st of December 1947 when Jewish forces

attacked Palestinians Haganah and IZL attack villages and Bedouin settlements of coastal plain north of Tel Aviv in first coastal "clearing" operation.Haganah and IZL paramilitary gangs perpetrate Balad al-Shaykh (Haifa) massacre, in which more than 60 civilians are murdered.

Followed with an entire 5 months of war until the State of Israel was proclaimed in May 15th .

January
Palestinian guerrilla leader 'Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni secretly returns to Palestine after ten-year exile to organize resistance to partition.
8 January
First contingent of 330 ALA volunteers arrives in Palestine.
10 January
ALA assault on Jewish settlement of Kefar Szold repulsed with help of British.
14 January
Haganah concludes arms deal with Czechoslovakia for $12,280,000 worth of arms including 24,500 rifles, 5,000 light machine guns, 200 medium machine guns, 54 million rounds of ammunition, 25 Meserschmitts. By end of Mandate at least 10,740 rifles, 1,200 machine guns, 26 field guns, and 11 million rounds of ammunition arrive in Palestine. Rest of arms arrive by end of May.
16 January
British report to UN estimates 1,974 people killed or injured in Palestine from 30 November 1947-10 January 1948.
20 January
British administration announces that predominantly Jewish or Palestinian areas will be gradually handed over to local majority group in every area concerned.
21 and 28 January
Second and third contingents of 360 and 400 ALA irregulars arrive in Palestine.
January-March
JNF leaders encourage evictions from villages of Haifa area Haganah attacks villages near Lake al-Hula. Palmach attacks Negev Bedouin.
16 February
ALA mounts unsuccessful attack on Jewish settlement of Tirat Zvi north of Baysan.
18 February
Haganah calls up men and women aged 25-35 for military service.
24 February
U.S. delegate to UN says Security Council role should be to keep peace in Palestine, not enforce partition. Syrian delegate suggests appointing committee to explore possible Jewish Agency-Arab Higher Committee agreement.
March
Transjordanian prime minister Tawfiq Abu al-Huda secretly meets British foreign secretary Bevin. They agree that Transjordanian forces will enter Palestine at end of Mandate but will restrict themselves to area of Arab state outlined in partition Plan. (Click here to read our response to the Zionist claim that seven Arab armies attempt to annihilate the newly emerging "Jewish State")
5-7 March
Qawuqji enters Palestine and assumes command of ALA units in Jinin-Nablus-Tulkarm triangle within area allotted to Arab state.
6 March
Haganah declares general mobilization.
10 March
British House of Commons votes to end Mandate on 15 May. Plan Dalet finalized by Haganah. Plan provides for military conquest of area allotted by UN Partition Plan to Jewish state and of substantial Palestinian territories beyond this state's boundaries. Plan contains a series of interlocking operations.
18 March
President Truman secretly receives Chaim Weizman and pledges support for declaration of Jewish state on May 15.
19-20 March
U.S. delegate asks UN Security Council to suspend action on partition plan and to convene General Assembly special session to work on a trusteeship plan. Arabs accept limited trusteeship and truce if Jews also accept. Jewish Agency rejects trusteeship.
25 March
President Truman calls for immediate truce and says U.S. will share responsibility for temporary trusteeship.
30 March-15 May
Second coastal "clearing" operation carried out by Haganah Alexandroni brigade and other units. Attacks and expulsions drive out almost all Palestinian communities from coastal area from Haifa to Jaffa prior to British withdrawal.
1 April
Delivery of first consignment of Czech arms deal: Ship "Nora" arrives in Haifa from Yugoslavia with 4,500 rifles, 200 light machine guns, 5 million rounds of ammunition. Two hundred rifles, 400 machine guns and further ammunition ferried in by airplane. UN Security Council resolutions call for special session of General Assembly and agree to U.S. proposal for truce to be arranged through Jewish Agency and Arab Higher Committee.
4 April
Haganah launches Plan Dalet.
4-15 April
Battle of Mishmar ha-'Emeq: ALA repulsed by Haganah from Jewish settlement of Mishmar ha-'Emeq. Haganah, Carmeli, Alexandroni, and Palmach units occupy villages in Marj ibn 'Amir.
6-15 April
Operation Nachshon: In first operation of Plan Dalet Haganah Giv'ati Brigade and other units capture villages along Tel Aviv-Jerusalem road from local Palestinian militia.
8 April
'Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni, charismatic Palestinian militia commander, Jerusalem district, is killed leading counterattack to recover al-Qastal village.
9 April
IZL and Stern Gangs massacre some 250 inhabitants in village of Dayr Yasin near Jerusalem.
12 April
General Zionist Council decides to establish independent state in Palestine on 16 May.
13-20 April
Operation Har'el under Plan Dalet launched at conclusion of Operation Nachshon. Villages along Jerusalem road attacked and demolished. All subsequent Haganah operations until 15 May 1948 undertaken within framework of Plan Dalet.
15 April-25 May
Operation Yiftach: Palmach captures Safad from ALA and local militia (9-10 May). Attacks and psychological warfare used to empty villages of eastern Galilee and Galilee panhandle. Operation Matate (Broom) drives out Bedouin and villagers from area south of Rosh Pinna to Jordan River.
16-17 April
Haganah Golani brigade and Palmach units capture Tiberias as it is evacuated by British. Palestinian inhabitants flee.
17 April
Security Council resolution calls for military and political
truce.
20 April
U.S. submits Palestine trusteeship plan to UN.
21 April
Operation Misparayim (meaning scissor): British forces suddenly withdraw from Haifa precipitating all-out Haganah dawn offensive against city's Palestinian population. Offensive accompanied by heavy mortar shelling of Palestinian residential quarters.
22 April
Resistance of local Palestinian militia in Haifa collapses. Haifa's Palestinian population flees under combined Haganah shelling and ground offensives.
25 April
IZL starts massive mortar shelling of Jaffa's residential quarters; simultaneously launches ground offensive to cut off northern Manshiyeh quarter from rest of city.
26-30 April
Haganah Har'el and Etzioni brigades launch Operation Yevussi in and around Jerusalem; attack East Jerusalem residential quarter of Shaykh Jarrah but are forced to hand it over to British; capture West Jerusalem residential district of Qatamon from Palestinian irregulars. Flight of Palestinian inhabitants.
27 April-5 May
Operation Chametz: Haganah launches major ground offensive against eastern Jaffa suburbs and neighboring villages to cut off city from its hinterland. Some 50,000 civilians flee under combined IZL and Haganah attacks.
30 April
All Palestinian quarters in West Jerusalem occupied by Haganah and residents driven out.
1 May
The Zionists forces occupied and massacred more than 70 civilians from 'Ayn al-Zaytun (Safad).
3 May
175-200,000 Palestinian refugees reported to have fled from areas taken by Zionists.
8-16 May
Haganah Har'el and Giv'ati brigades undertake Operation Makkabi. Capture villages on al-Ramla-Latrun road.
9 May-1 June
Operation Barak: Strikes by Haganah Giv'ati and Negev brigades south and West of al-Ramla.
10-15 May
Golani brigade occupies Baysan, attacks villages of Baysan Valley south of Lake Tiberias.
12-14 May
Arrival of second and third Czech arms consignments for Haganah: 5,000 rifles, 1,200 machine guns, 6 million rounds of ammunition.
13 May
Arab Legion, ALA, and local militia attack and capture Jewish settlements of Etzion bloc, retaliating for attacks on Hebron road. Jaffa formally surrenders to Haganah.
13-21 May
Operation Ben-Ami: Carmeli brigade occupies Acre and coastal area north of city .

Then on the 15 of May came the

State of Israel proclaimed in Tel Aviv at 4:00 P.M.

And on the following day the Arabs attack !!!!!!!!

15-28 May
Transjordanian Arab Legion troops cross River Jordan and move towards Jerusalem capturing Jewish settlements of Atarot and Newe Ya'aqov north of city (17 May).

So as usual I just laugh at you gross idiocy , next time think before you type

[funkstar]

Shut up you wanker , Ill take you and mouth on , you lay it out how it happened in 1948 complete with valid historical sources and links , you do it tomorrow , I will guarantee I will win hands down .

Is that a challenge, sunshine? Fortunately, I have better things to do than educate anti-Semitic trolls such as yourself.

It ought to , defending a xenophobic rightwing Danish paper with a Nazi collaborationist past .

Unlike yourself, I have actually read the paper in question, and your charaterization is, in mild terms, somewhat misguided. That is to say, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

How old are you , out of curiosity ?

Careful, sunshine, curiosity killed the cat.

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That’s because Israel intentionally set out to destroy the Palestinian nation and identity root and branch , Zionism destroyed the Palestinian nation but couldn’t destroy the Palestinian people who are indigenous to that nation .

when? how?

. HAMAS must fight fire with fire and that is the only way that the nation of Palestine can be resurrected to resume its rightful and legitimate place amongst the sovereign nations of the world .

no. you can see not much of the nations speak with Hamas, mostly because of that. since Hamas was elected the palestinians have lost many support from the world, inculding aid from america. btw Hamas can't have a real war against israel, you know that? israel can crush them within a sec. so what's the point?

This can only be accomplished when the rightful indigenous Palestinians re-occupy their native lands which now illegally constitute the squatter state of Eretz Israel .

in order to have them they must start a war with israel (which they can't, they have no real army). they better not do it anyway, history shows it will only make the situation worse for them.

The Chechen Freedom fighters will not have a bar of Israel

ofcourse not. i just wanted to make a point about something.

they will find common cause with HAMAS

so are they like Hamas? do you support them as well?

This says how much of a pariah state Israel is becoming and when Israel’s protector and benefactor America disappears through bankruptcy Israel will be friendless .

no. this only shows us how russia is trying to make an influence in the middle east.

And bomb neighbouring nations and put to flight by terror 3 million human beings .

and all this for fun, obviously.

No I have it right , the Palestinians accepted the UN plan but were immediately set upon by the Zionists and the Arab states immediately advanced to protect the Palestinians in a failed attempt prevent an open sore of a nation arising amongst its midsts .

get this right: the palestinians never accepted the UN plan, they never accepted a jewish nation but only an arab nation - Palestine.
the arab states didn't invade to protect the palestinians from a jewish MINORITY, but to throw the jews into the sea becuase they, like the palestinians, didn't want a jewish state to live there.

You mean Israel pulled out of Gaza , surrounded it with barbned wire , economically and politically sealing it hermetically from the outside world .

now you're saying the pull out from gaza was nothing but another punishment from israel, no matter that israel had to remove all the jews from there so the palestinians will get some lands to work.

That’s what I refer to as Zionisms version of the Warsaw Ghetto .

and now you really need to shut up. you know nothing about the Warsaw Ghetto, yet you feel so comfortable and sure to mention it against jews. you are an idiot.