Sumary of Christianity's Disproofs

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  1. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    This is what we have established so far concerning modern Christianity's origins which no one has as yet provided a valid rebuttle:
    Christianity didn’t just incorporate paganism. Christianity is paganism ultimately traceable to Egyptian religion. Paganism meaning religion of the villagers. This is what gave birth to modern Christianity:
    King Herod is an actual historical figure who lived about 73 BC - 4 BC. His death occurred at the beginning of a Passover that was some time preceded by a lunar eclipse that happened the night he executed Rabbis Judas and Matthias and their pupils who had smashed the golden bird symbol for Rome which he had placed on the temple he had restored. This is according to the historian, Joseph ben Matthias also known as Flavius Josephus (37/38 AD --around 100 AD).
    Ernest Martin located a full eclipse on January 10, 1 BC that occurred 12 1/2 weeks prior to Passover. However, Herod's successors Antipas, Philip, and Archelaus all appear to have taken their reigns in 4 BC and the chronology of datable events in the Roman Empire best fit with Josephus' description of the circumstances of Herod's death given a death date of 4 BC. There was a 40% partial eclipse March 13, 4 BC which would have been difficult to see, but could have possibly been calculated in those days and either seen or calculated, used by Josephus to reference the death date.
    Jupiter(the planet of royalty) and Saturn(protector of Israel) underwent three conjunctions in 7 BC in the constellation Pisces (associated by ancient Babylonian or Persian magi with the nation of Israel), not of which would have appeared as a bright star, but the astronomical events would have caught the eye of any attentive magi of the time and as their definition of a star would have differed from the scientific definition of today, they may have referred to the astronomical events as stars. The two planets were found again in the constellation Pisces as well as Mars on Feb 6, 6 BC.
    Michael Molnar found that Jupiter underwent an occultation with the moon in the constellation Aries on April 17, 6 BC and again on December 19, 6 BC. Aries is a ram/lamb which would be associated with Israel due to their sacrifices or with Jesus later by Christians. The April 17 occultation occurred near the sun during the day and wouldn't have been seen, but given greater attention due to the previous astronomical events any good magi following Jupiter and tracking the moon would have known that this would occur and that on April 17 when this would occur, it would be "in the east". August 23 Jupiter reversed its apparent motion and "went before" anyone following it until it "stood over" being stationary in the transition of its apparent motion right on the second occultation of December 19.
    William's Comet Catalog of 1871 identifies a comet visible in 5 BC. It was visible from Mar 10 to Apr 27. Such a comet would disappear and reappear as it moved behind the sun which does correspond to Matthew witch inferred that it did so.
    Finally, Chinese astronomers recorded a new star, a nova, in the constellation Capricorn visible March to April of 5 BC, for over 70 days.
    Herod was an evil warmongering king that had many of his own family killed including two of his sons Aristobulus in 7 BC and Antipater in 4 BC. The later may also have sought the life of any prophesied king of Israel accounting for Matthews's statement that those who had sought the life of Jesus had died.
    However, the slaughter of the babies under two years by Herod old has no basis in history. It is utterly mythical and can be traced back to Krishna, another former Christ story.
    There was also no great taxation of Israel wherein folks had to return to their birthplaces and the only census by Quirinius when he was the actual governor of Syria was conducted in (6 - 7)AD. On the other hand he did established a seat of government in Syria, including Palestine, from 10 BC to 7 BC in which he would have been responsible for the census of Romans, not Jews, that took place in 7 BC. The new testament gives two contradictory genealogies for Joseph. If they are fictitious and Joseph was a Roman then he could have taken part in a census, but such a census still would not have required the participants to return to their homeland and would have been finished prior to the (6-5)BC astronomical events. Apparently the nativity is also a fiction. It can be traced to the Egyptian mythology where Meh(Meri, Mary) whose consort was Seb (lord or god - Seb, Yo-Seb, Joseph) had Horus in a cave or manger amongst the beasts under a star, were visited by three magi bearing gifts, and then fled from the serpent Herrut.
    It appears that someone drawing on the similarity between the evil of Herrut and the evil of Herod and the similarity of their names and given the astrological signs decided to fabricate a reason that such a Horus/Krishna/Christ type being would be born amongst beasts about that time. Recalling that there was a census conducted around that time and such were related to taxes, the Horus story was recreated in terms of an Israeli Messiah born in a manger due to no room during a tax. Here we find the birth of modern Christianity.
    Originally Mehet-Weret, Nut, and Hathor were separate cow goddesses. Mehet-Weret was the Nile goddess, Hathor was the mother of Horus, and Nut was the mother of Ra. Mythically the Nile was connected to the sky through the underworld. Mehet-Weret would therefor be the one who would help the pharaoh and Ra reach the sky. In a way it makes sense that they would think this because the rainwater must get up there somehow. For this assistance Mehet-Weret became known as the right eye of Ra. Nut, being the mother of Ra was thought to give daily birth to the sun, but since Mehet-Weret was also thought to deliver Ra the sun god to the sky, through syncretism the identity of Nut was absorbed into Mehet-Weret. The name of Mehet-Weret changed from one generation to another. The etymology down to the book of the dead was
    .................................................. ......Mehet-Weret
    ................................Mehetweret........ .............................Mehit-Weret
    .................................................. ......................................Mehitwer
    ................................Mehueret.......... ...............................Methyer
    ................................Mehturt
    ................................Meh-Urt
    and from there to the mother and wife of Jesus and possibly to Miriam celebration leader:
    ................................Meh
    ................................Meri
    ..Mary moth. of Jesus,..Mary Magdalene,.....Miriam(Exodus 15:20)
    Horus, sun of Hathor inherits the sun from Ra, and in doing so Meh-Urt who was known as the right eye of Ra became the right Eye of Horus, but also Nut who was absorbed into Meh-Urt gave birth to the sun daily so Meh-Urt then became the birth mother of Horus who was then the sun god and the identity of Hathor was then absorbed into Meh-Urt as well through syncretism. Since Meh-urt was Horus's right eye which eye represented the sun, the moon then was represented by Horus's left eye and his adoptive father Seb became the speckled cow, the left eye of Horus in the book of the dead, because he was consort of Meh-Urt.
    Meh-Urt becomes Mary through etymology and Yo-Seb becomes Joseph just the same. So we know where Mary came from and we know were Joseph came from and we know that the birth of modern Christianity was inspired by astronomical events near the end of the life of Herod that struck a resemblance in someone’s mind to Herrut. So next lets look at how Horus became Jesus.
    It isn’t impossible that there was an actual person whose name would have been Yeshua that served as an inspiration for modern Christianity. In fact I think that this would have been the case as Yeshua would have been a common name and given the previous events the people would have been on the look out for their expected Messiah in such an extent that it became a self fulfilling prophesy. I think that Yeshua saw the parallel between the Meh-Horus-Osiris deities and Ashera-Yahweh-El and realizing then the Egyptian influence on Judah’s own religion decided to recreate the religion with himself as Yahweh/Horus. For what we know now is that the myth had it that El and Ashera were consorts who gave birth to one of the baals, we don’t know who for sure. But, Yahweh was originally a baal and Ashera also became his consort. It looks like this particular baal son was then Yahweh. This seems to strike a parallel with Meh-Horus-Osiris. It wouldn’t be the first time Israel adopted Egyptian religion. Even seven of the ten commandments were taken from the book of the Dead.
    Osiris was the spouse of Isis in the Ennead. Set(a gay female goddess probably corresponding to Satan) Kill's Osiris who is resurrected with the magic of Isis(who eventually corresponds to the presence of Mary Magdalene at the resurrection of Jesus). Before her magic wore off and he returned to the land of the dead she conceives Horus(the son of god) by Osiris(the heavenly father). Through syncretism Meh becomes Isis. Since Osiris returns to the dead prior to birth it makes it possible for Horus to be the reincarnation of the father. Thus the son became one with the father god which is the literal meaning of the word atonement. Osiris-Horus then was the life-death-rebirth deity celebrated at the time of the yearly harvest. Horus being Osiris and therefore both the husband and son of Isis who absorbed the identity of Meh is why Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene the wife of Jesus had the same name. It appears that Isis, Horus, and Osiris was the for runner then of both the Israelites Ashera-Yahweh-El and of the Christian trinity where Meh/Isis is now replaced by the holy spirit which was not worshiped in early Christianity back when Mary was. In fact some religions still worship/prayto Mary. I think she got written out as a Goddess at the time of the Nicene creed.
    Horus had some titles that may sound familiar as well: The lamb, the light of the world, the good shepherd, the way, the truth, the life, the anointed one - which is Christos in Greek. As you may have noticed certain God's identities seemed to be absorbed by others. This was apparently a common political practice intended to unify peoples belief systems which is called syncretism. The Egyptian dying rising godman mythology spread like wildfire to surrounding regions through syncretism and so many godman cults shared parallels with Osiris and therefore with Jesus who was a syncrosism of these religions that the common dying rising godman theme is called just Osiris-Dionysus. If Jesus was an actual man and not just a complete political fabrication through syncretism I find it to be too much a coincidence that the place Mary was supposed to have fled was Egypt itself wherein if it was a place he spent any later portion of his life in he would have been free to explore these religions and then institute such in his homeland later in life.
    When Set killed Osiris she broke his body into pieces and scattered them across the land. Isis response was the same as Mary Magdalene, weeping that they had taken her lord and she knew not where they put him. After tracking down the pieces she placed him in a coffin where he remained enclosed for three days leading to the Egyptian institution of baptism wherein one is enclosed by water. The Egyptians then instituted a sacrament. The broken bread and wine was made into bits of the broken body and blood of Osiris. The resurrecting magic of Isis would then apply to those who took the sacrament to give them eternal life after death. So titles of Horus being Osiris included the way and the life and no one would come to the father but by him.
    Horus was a sun god. The sun god or the sun was represented by many by the Celtic cross which may go back as much as 10 thousand years having been originally an actual device used to navigate based on shadows case by it from the sun. So early crucifixions were probably and actual human sacrifice to the sun god. So Horus Christo(Christo was a title for Horus) variations such as Harry Krishna were sometimes depicted as an ascending person in a crucified posture corresponding to a symbol for the rising sun. Krishna is at times depicted as Crucified with an arrow(which is a small spear) piercing his torso the same as Yeshua-Horus(Yes-us, Jesus). As far as I can tell the only thing that is unique about the Jesus resurrection -ascension is that he had a crown of thorns. Horus in particular is often depicted as a Hawk or *Dove* with wings spread to form of a cross. This explains the Dove in the Jesus Baptism story.
    Here are a LOT of other parallels Jesus got from Horus.
    http://www.theosophical.ca/AncientEgyptAppendix.htm
    Ever wonder what Jesus middle name was as in Jesus H. Christ?
    The popular Christian apology has it that the H comes from the H in
    IHC
    and that this is derived from
    IHS
    which are then claimed as a Greek abbreviation for Jesus. Iota Eta Sigma Omicron Upsilon Sigma. Now here is the pagan origin:
    IHS
    I = ISIS
    H = Horus
    S = Seb
    This is then the portrait of Horus and H does stand for ***Horus***
    If you combine the Yes from Yes-ua with the us from Hor-us you do get Jesus as it would be said today. It appears the name Jesus was a transliteration specifically and carefully chosen to reflect Horus in the end and in the abbreviation as well as to yield a Greek Gematria of 888.
    So next time you think of swearing and exclaiming Jesus H. Christ you can do it right and exclaim Jesus HORUS Christ!
    The evidence is overwhelming, but I’ll be flexible and at first say this seems to leave me with two possible conclusions.
    1. The Jesus story is a complete rip off of what is ultimately Egyptian mythology and modern Christianity is an evolution of paganism based on Catholicism, nothing more than a collection of the pagan religions of Osiris-Dionysis.
    2. All this correspondence was somehow prophetic.
    Having been generous with the latter I will say that it seems ludicrous to believe that the what Christianity holds as the opponents of Israel or God, Egypt, would receive such detailed revelation when those which modern Christianity proposes were the chosen of God, Judaism, did not. You may propose Abraham who was supposedly a prophet in Egypt or a descendent down to Moses instigated all this, but this level of prophetic correspondence is not biblically founded. I must therefore conclude that the weight of evidence is for the first conclusion, and where the weight of evidence lay is the only rational conclusion on which to base my faith.
     
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  3. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    Look for evidence of Jesus H Christ in the scriptures... it doesn't exist. Neither the smallest inference to Jesus having a Middle name/initial exists anywhere in the New Testament.

    So your Jesus H Christ theory exists exterior to anything that followers of Christ base their faith on anyways. And Jesus "H" Christ has no relevancy to Christendom at all, besides the false traditions based on, and exterior to what we consider to be the Word of God; spoken by the mouths of the Holy Prophets.

    Doctrine, faith, precept, all rests upon what was preserved by the Prophets in the canon of the Old and New Testaments.

    For information on Hathor (Meh--the one Tril says is Mary) you can read online @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor it explains how she was espoused to Ra, not Seb (who is more formally known as Geb).

    "Since Horus's wife was Isis, Hathor was sometimes said to be her mother, although it was more accurate to say she was her mother in law. As Horus was also said to be the son of Ra, Hathor was identified as Ra's wife (Ra created her in a non-sexual manner), gaining the title Mistress of Heaven. Having been identified as Ra's wife, it was said she arose from from Ra's tears, and thus was identified as the Eye of Ra."

    @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geb says that Seb is the "the husband of Nuit" (not Meh, Tril's purported figure of Mary)



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus Provides this

    "A connection between Jesus and Horus-Osiris is frequently raised by critics of the historicity of Jesus. Superficially, the death and resurrection of Horus-Osiris, and Horus' nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself, appear to be a template for the idea that this occurred in Jesus. However, there is much more to both deities than this, and so such basic comparisons are not terribly persuasive to most academics."

    You need to source your data, to test the veracity and authenticity to any of your "mythilogical" assertions.


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  5. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    I see you still don't have a real rebuttle to anything I have said. All you are doing is blowing a smoke screen and if you have looked up the term syncretism then you are a liar for knowing it.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Look for evidence of Jesus H Christ in the scriptures... it doesn't exist. Neither the smallest inference to Jesus having a Middle name/initial exists anywhere in the New Testament.

    Let's take that line of logic one step further, shall we. Is Jesus Christ the name this alleged person was born with -- in other words, is that what Joseph and Mary named him?

    If not, what was his name? Is there any mention of it anywhere?
     
  8. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    I'm no liar. I just cited what was written in Wikipedia. I compared your Data, to another source of Data that contradicts what you said, so that makes me a Liar?

    It's that same logic that drives you to suppose a mythical figure from Egypt, is the same as mentioned in the New Testament------Following the only similarity you can scrounge up between the two (hathor and mary) is a Virgin birth...

    By the way the timeline separating all these figures is upwards of 3+ millenia...

    All your saying is "Jesus aint true, they sooooo stole that idea from the Egyptians"

    What did they decide to do with the rest of the junk from Egyptian Mythology? And how did they turn that into "love you neighbor" "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

    You don't understand Christanity at all. It's more than just miracles and a Virgin Birth. It's about FAITH principles of equality, helping eachother out... love, sacrifice.

    Not about cow gods, or river gods, or pyramids and the nile river begatting gods.

    Anyways, have you ever read the New Testament? Has nothing to do with what you're talking about at all.
     
  9. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, because you said it is contradictory after I had already told you why it was not. I cut the rest of your speculations.
     
  10. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    What's a "sumary"???
     
  11. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    Aha! So, Trilairian is obviously borrowing his reasoning from ancient Sumer [sumar, sumary], and thus cannot be taken seriously.
     
  12. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    The name “Jesus” is derived from the Aramaic proper name “Jeshua”, meaning “savior”. “Jah” for example meant salvation – either way it was a popular Jewish personal name.

    The title “Christ” is derived from Greek and means Messiah or anointed one. This is not a last name.

    “Savior” or “Messiah” have near equivalent meanings but each comes from different languages and cultures, one would use one or the other, to use both is overkill.

    The phrase “Jesus Christ”, or “Christ Jesus” is partly name and partly title, or all title but never all name.
     
  13. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    And christo was also greek for a title that Horus had before Jesus.
     
  14. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    Don't think that could be put more plainly! Thus it is.
     
  15. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    What he claims doesn't support Christianity. A made up name for a title is descriptive of a fictional character. Either way I have already proven that.
     
  16. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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  17. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i wish the the topic post could be formattted for legibility
    interesting subject

    i want to establish that all jewish stuff was a continuance of existing stuff by older civs
    ie: nothing new here

    links to read??

    thanks
     
  18. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    When I write something so big I word process it, but the paragraph indent formatting is lost in the paste and post for some reason. What particular aspect would you like a link about?
     
  19. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    'Jesus Christ' refers to the sacred mushroom/psychedelics....as have all othe mythological figures...the rest is paraphenalia around this central meaning. wher myth become actualized....!

    what does 'myth becomes actualized' mean

    try it and find out.

    (preempting experiencers-who-dont-get-point).....EVEn after having HAD psychedelic experience, you cultural indoctrintion may be so strong you will dismiss the experince and carry on literalizing myth and adhereing to positivist science
     
  20. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    I've tracked down about 40 parallels between Jesus and Buddah, which I may add to the summary. It is easy to see that both characters had traits stolen from Horus from which I've come across at least 270 aspects from which the Jesus story is derived. This dissproved both Buddism and Christianity. Maybe I'll attach these in the summary some time. For now at least visit the Horus link:

    http://www.theosophical.ca/AncientEgyptAppendix.htm
     
  21. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    And where did Horus come from ...

    You make it look as if the ancient Egyptian gods were "proper" gods, while others later, were merely derived from the earlier ones. What makes you think that the Egyptian (and Sumerian etc.) were real and truly existed, while the later ones are worthless plagiates? And if the Egyptian ones are plagiates as well, then how meaningful is it to criticize Christianity for being a plagiate, while referring to another plagiate?


    And how exactly does what you are saying disprove Christianity and Buddhism? What about Buddhism and Christianity is disproved?
     
  22. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

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    I never said they were real gods. What I am saying is that Christianity and Buddism are disproven by being copies of false Egyptian religion.

    All the worlds religions are wrong.
     
  23. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    How are they wrong?
    What would be a right religion?
     

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