BAD SADDAM for attacking Kuwait!

[mountainhare]

Because we all know that the modern Iraq is exactly the same as the Iraq from the past, before the British + French split up the Ottoman Empire, right?

Hmmmm, funny how Mesopotamia (which was renamed Iraq when the Arabs invaded) includes Kuwait. Then again, since when have Western war mongers ever mentioned Mesopotamia, or the lands which constituted Iraq during the Ottoman Empire? I guess it sort of confuses the audience when the Westerners promised the Arabs the 'unity and independence of their lands', and then split them up to nerf the area. Oh well.

[john smith]

Your point?

[spuriousmonkey]

Yes, kuwait used to be a province of Iraq. That was one of the arguments used by Saddam.

In a way he was right of course. Not to mention the fact that the people in charge of kuwait are ruthless bastards themselves. They are just a little further up the ass of the US then Iraq ever was.

[Light]

Because we all know that the modern Iraq is exactly the same as the Iraq from the past, before the British + French split up the Ottoman Empire, right?

Hmmmm, funny how Mesopotamia (which was renamed Iraq when the Arabs invaded) includes Kuwait. Then again, since when have Western war mongers ever mentioned Mesopotamia, or the lands which constituted Iraq during the Ottoman Empire? I guess it sort of confuses the audience when the Westerners promised the Arabs the 'unity and independence of their lands', and then split them up to nerf the area. Oh well.

So what? The territories of the world have been divided, reunited, and split apart many times in history. Based on that rather silly idea that you're presenting, we/they should take large chunks of Europe and the U.K. and give it back to the Italians. After all, a very large portion of it once belonged to Rome.

[Hapsburg]

Why not? I'd rather like to a reunited Europe, centered on Rome, ruled by an Augustan-esque Emperor.
Anyway, Kuwait was an Iraqi province, the Kuwaitis are ethnically the same thing as Iraqis, so, eh. His invasion was justified, but then again, so was Desert Storm, after he started shootin' SCUDs at our allies (Kuwait and Israel).

[tablariddim]

Where did you get that biased map? Why isn't the island of CYPRUS named? WTF.. I see this happen so often, it wasn't even named when a map containing it showed up in the movie Alexander The Great! I'm sure it's an American conspiracy to NOT acknowledge that the island even EXISTS! Anyone looking at that map might reasonably think that the island shown there is a part of TURKEY, which is EXACTLY what the USA and UK have wanted for decades!

[mountainhare]

Light:

So what? The territories of the world have been divided, reunited, and split apart many times in history. Based on that rather silly idea that you're presenting, we/they should take large chunks of Europe and the U.K. and give it back to the Italians. After all, a very large portion of it once belonged to Rome.

Thank you!

Then please explain why the U.S attacked Iraq after it invaded Kuwait (a former province), whereas it did not attack Israel when it stole land of the Arabs. The excuse used by the Israelis was 'well, it was our land 2,000 years ago!' (as if the Canaanites and Philistines never existed).

Why wasn't Saddam allowed to annex a former province of Iraq (Mesopotamia), whereas Israel was allowed to annex Arab land to form a state which existed at roughly the same time Mespotamia was formed?

[Huwy]

Uhh yeah especially as Saddam used the WMDs America sold him,
the botulism, anthrax etc.
its all documented.

and the poison gas he used on the Kurds.

I'm not saying saddam wasnt bad
i'm saying america helped him

[Hapsburg]

Anyone looking at that map might reasonably think that the island shown there is a part of TURKEY

Welll, even though the Cypriots say differently, I don't recognize them as a nation, and I see them as part of Turkey. Same thing with Taiwan. I officially see the Chinese claim as valid, and thus do not recognize Taiwan. It is all a matter of personal opinion.

[tablariddim]

Welll, even though the Cypriots say differently, I don't recognize them as a nation, and I see them as part of Turkey. Same thing with Taiwan. I officially see the Chinese claim as valid, and thus do not recognize Taiwan. It is all a matter of personal opinion.

This is exactly the type of idiotic ignorance I'm talking about.

Cyprus is a European nation with 3000 years of GREEK history, with a population of 750000 Greek Cypriots. The Greek Cypriot Government and constitution is officially recognised by the whole world with the sole exception of Turkey!

Turkey invaded and occupied 1/3 of the (independent) island in 1974 on the pretext that it was protecting the indigenous 100000 Turkish Cypriots after a short lived right-wing insurgency and attempted coup organised by America, Britain and the Greek colonels in Greece.

Turkey still maintains 50000 Turkish troops and has imported up to 200000 Turkish settlers from Anatolia. Half the indigenous Turkish Cypriots have left the island since 1974 as they couldn't stand the poor living conditions and Turkish oppression.

The self proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is officially an illegal regime unrecognised by anyone apart from Turkey and Hapsburg!

[mountainhare]

tabla:

Where did you get that biased map? Why isn't the island of CYPRUS named? WTF.. I see this happen so often, it wasn't even named when a map containing it showed up in the movie Alexander The Great! I'm sure it's an American conspiracy to NOT acknowledge that the island even EXISTS! Anyone looking at that map might reasonably think that the island shown there is a part of TURKEY, which is EXACTLY what the USA and UK have wanted for decades!

Now that I think about it, you do have a point. Cyprus should have been marked, otherwise the viewer will naturally assume that it was part of Turkey.

Nevertheless, that is incidental. The point I was making is that Mespotamia (aka. Ancient Iraq) included the lands of Kuwait. That map was the best I could find when stressing my main argument.

[tablariddim]

It just angers me when I see my country disregarded like this and it happens too often, like it's part of some secret agenda to make people forget it or not realise that it actually exists, which I truly believe it is. There was once a map of the region in Car magazine and the island wasn't even shown!

You can be sure the big powers have something horrendous lined up for us.. Cyprus is situated next to the biggest oil reserve discovered so far, a space shared by Syria and Lebanon.. not the USA's or Britain's favourite countrie!

[Xylene]

Where did you get that biased map? Why isn't the island of CYPRUS named? WTF.. I see this happen so often, it wasn't even named when a map containing it showed up in the movie Alexander The Great! I'm sure it's an American conspiracy to NOT acknowledge that the island even EXISTS! Anyone looking at that map might reasonably think that the island shown there is a part of TURKEY, which is EXACTLY what the USA and UK have wanted for decades!

The number of world maps I've seen where New Zealand isn't even shown in the Pacific--it's disgraceful!

[Hapsburg]

This is exactly the type of idiotic ignorance I'm talking about.

Cyprus is a European nation with 3000 years of GREEK history, with a population of 750000 Greek Cypriots. The Greek Cypriot Government and constitution is officially recognised by the whole world with the sole exception of Turkey!

Turkey invaded and occupied 1/3 of the (independent) island in 1974 on the pretext that it was protecting the indigenous 100000 Turkish Cypriots after a short lived right-wing insurgency and attempted coup organised by America, Britain and the Greek colonels in Greece.

Turkey still maintains 50000 Turkish troops and has imported up to 200000 Turkish settlers from Anatolia. Half the indigenous Turkish Cypriots have left the island since 1974 as they couldn't stand the poor living conditions and Turkish oppression.

The self proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is officially an illegal regime unrecognised by anyone apart from Turkey and Hapsburg!

Why the fuck are you so pissed? I don't honestly care about Cyprus, for all I'm concerned, the Cypriots can go fuck themselves with iron pikes, but I like doing things that the government tells me not to do, so I support Turkey, despite my nickname.

[Sock puppet path]

Because we all know that the modern Iraq is exactly the same as the Iraq from the past, before the British + French split up the Ottoman Empire, right?

This is almost as accurate as your placing the first german reich in the 1800s If you are going to run your mouth in the history section at least read a little first.

Hmmmm, funny how Mesopotamia (which was renamed Iraq when the Arabs invaded) includes Kuwait. Then again, since when have Western war mongers ever mentioned Mesopotamia, or the lands which constituted Iraq during the Ottoman Empire? I guess it sort of confuses the audience when the Westerners promised the Arabs the 'unity and independence of their lands', and then split them up to nerf the area. Oh well.

So you are basically in favor of military action to resolve border disputes and along with it the resulting death and destruction

Yeah and bad Iran for defending itself against Iraq, the Shat Al Arab should be part of iraq too, oh wait that was part of the persian empire as well as Iraq for centuries. Oh well.

[Pi-Sudoku]

Then please explain why the U.S attacked Iraq after it invaded Kuwait (a former province), whereas it did not attack Israel when it stole land of the Arabs. The excuse used by the Israelis was 'well, it was our land 2,000 years ago!'

They (kuwait) a little further up the ass of the US then Iraq ever was.

Israel are further up still. Somewhere around the mouth

[mountainhare]

Sock puppet:

This is almost as accurate as your placing the first german reich in the 1800s If you are going to run your mouth in the history section at least read a little first.

Obviously you still fail to grasp my subtle brand of sarcasm. Then again, somebody as slow-witted as yourself probably couldn't grasp their dick with both hands.

So you are basically in favor of military action to resolve border disputes and along with it the resulting death and destruction

Why not? Israel, America, Britain, France, Germany, and almost every other 'white' country has done so in the past. Why deny the Iraqis the same pleasure? At least they have a legit claim.

[tablariddim]

Why the fuck are you so pissed? I don't honestly care about Cyprus, for all I'm concerned, the Cypriots can go fuck themselves with iron pikes, but I like doing things that the government tells me not to do, so I support Turkey, despite my nickname.

Pighene gamisou vlako-poushtopedo!

[Sock puppet path]

Sock puppet:

Obviously you still fail to grasp my subtle brand of sarcasm.

I think you could sooner call it ignorance than sarcasm. Do some reading and find out who proped up the "sickman of europe" with military, political and monetary support until Kemal Attaturk finally did what was needed and abolished the caliphate. This support despite turkeys history of aggression against europe.

Then again, somebody as slow-witted as yourself probably couldn't grasp their dick with both hands.

Still playing the foulmouthed little boy I see. I can grasp it alright but as you point out not all of it. Remember foul language doesn't cover your lack of content

Why not? Israel, America, Britain, France, Germany, and almost every other 'white' country has done so in the past..

Oh how scholarly the "evil whitey" argument

Why deny the Iraqis the same pleasure? At least they have a legit claim.

Oh the Iraqis have had that pleasure plenty of times in the past andmay have again in the future. You still have a problem here with supporting aggression while arguing against aggression.

[Overdose]

This is exactly the type of idiotic ignorance I'm talking about.

Cyprus is a European nation with 3000 years of GREEK history, with a population of 750000 Greek Cypriots. The Greek Cypriot Government and constitution is officially recognised by the whole world with the sole exception of Turkey!

Turkey invaded and occupied 1/3 of the (independent) island in 1974 on the pretext that it was protecting the indigenous 100000 Turkish Cypriots after a short lived right-wing insurgency and attempted coup organised by America, Britain and the Greek colonels in Greece.

Turkey still maintains 50000 Turkish troops and has imported up to 200000 Turkish settlers from Anatolia. Half the indigenous Turkish Cypriots have left the island since 1974 as they couldn't stand the poor living conditions and Turkish oppression.

The self proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is officially an illegal regime unrecognised by anyone apart from Turkey and Hapsburg!

Excuse me 3000 years of Greek History? Why didn't you mention that the Island was also occupied by the Ottoman Turks and thats why there are also Turks there. The Turks invaded the Island under a peace operation after the Greek Cypriots (not Greeks) wanted to get rid of the Turks and unite with Greece. Yes the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is officially not recognized but in reality everyone know that it exists and the island is divided in to 2. So, start looking for solutions instead of believing that there is only one Cyprus.