11-01-05, 11:02 AM #41
11-01-05, 11:06 AM #42
11-01-05, 11:14 AM #43
11-01-05, 01:17 PM #44
WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN
(AND IN THE PROCESS GRANDCHILDREN)
To those of us who have children in our lives, whether they are our own,
grandchildren, nieces, nephews, or students...
here is something to make you chuckle.
Whenever your children are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend to His own children.
After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve.
And the first thing he said was "DON'T ! "
"Don't what ? " Adam replied.
"Don't eat the forbidden fruit." God said.
"Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve..we have forbidden fruit !
"No Way! "
"Yes way ! "
"Do NOT eat the fruit ! " said God.
"Why ? "
"Because I am your Father and I said so ! " God replied, wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants.
A few minutes later, God saw His children having an apple break and He was ticked !
"Didn't I tell you not to eat the fruit ? " God asked.
"Uh huh," Adam replied.
"Then why did you ? " said the Father.
"I don't know," said Eve.
"She started it ! " Adam said.
"Did not ! "
"Did too ! "
"DID NOT ! "
Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own.
Thus the pattern was set and it has never changed.
BUT THERE IS REASSURANCE IN THE STORY !
If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give children wisdom and they haven't taken it, don't be hard on yourself.
If God had trouble raising children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you ?
THINGS TO THINK ABOUT !
1. You spend the first two years of their life teaching them to walk and talk. Then you spend the next sixteen telling them to sit down and shut up.
2. Grandchildren are God's reward for not killing your own children.
3. Mothers of teens now know why some animals eat their young.
4. Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word
what you shouldn't have said.
5. The main purpose of holding children's parties is to remind yourself that there are children more awful than your own.
6. We childproofed our homes, but they are still getting in.
ADVICE FOR THE DAY:
Be nice to your kids. They will choose your nursing home one day.
IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF TENSION AND YOU GET A HEADACHE, DO WHAT IT SAYS ON THE ASPIRIN BOTTLE:
"TAKE TWO ASPIRIN" AND "KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN"!!!!!
11-01-05, 01:21 PM #45
Since it was a myth what does it matter? Also, even in the myth there was no apple.
Mormonism as we see here is largely and heavily based on A&E being literally true. And within the wider Christianity community there is a mixture of support. By demonstrating the nonsense of such myths we can continue to undermine the credibility of parasitic institutions like Christianity.
11-01-05, 01:48 PM #46Originally Posted by Cris
Didn't read the entire web page, did you?
The First Presidency has given the following statement regarding further official elaboration on the Garden story:
".....it is deemed wisest to let that subject remain without further explanation, for it is written that we are to receive 'line upon line,' according to our faith and capacities, and the circumstances attending our progress." (Messages of the First Presidency, Vol.2, p.233 - p.234)
11-01-05, 02:03 PM #47
I'm beginning to think that "LDS" really means "Learning-Disabled Shitheads".
11-01-05, 02:09 PM #48
well it is the book of morons is'nt it, oops sorry mormons.
forgot the m
11-01-05, 02:25 PM #49
Yes, it's in the Book of Mormon. Yes, parts of it are true, and parts are allegorical.
11-01-05, 02:29 PM #50
You imagine that it would become boring after a time, but why?
Man's stewardship over the earth might have progressed differently without sin, but why do you assume it wouldn't have progressed at all?
And because he was doing exactly what he was created to do, in the spirit it was meant to be done, he would have been content and fulfilled.
And lastly, that overpopulation would have become a problem in paradise is far from certain. ………….
In real practical terms most would need to leave the planet and expand into the rest of the galaxy and beyond which would become full eventually given eternal lifetimes. The bible doesn’t appear to mention space travel.
That raises another question – if we cannot die then would we need to breathe? Presumably God would provide adequate spacecraft which would never fail and he would provide suitable new Earthlike worlds for us to fill.
Finally, we have to consider that without sin, people would have lived in direct relationship with God. They would never be without hope or recourse.
And would heaven ever become overpopulated?
11-01-05, 03:00 PM #51Originally Posted by Cris
The garden appears to have been a "friendly" jungle where animals can be slaughtered easily for food and fruit was in abundance. What else were people meant to do? Sex I guess would have been the primary pastime since there was no TV, radio, internet, cars, sports, etc. I didn't see any references to buildings, sewerage systems, phone systems, etc., either.
Wouldn't a garden paradise without modern facilities have become rather boring and inconvenient after a short while? And since we wouldn't die and would have lots of sex then what was God's plan for solving inevitable overpopulation?
Just what had God planned for us in the event we hadn't disobeyed him?
11-01-05, 03:02 PM #52
From your web reference.
While the events in the Garden of Eden, as related in the scriptures, did occur, Church leaders have taught that most parts of the Garden story are allegorical and should not be taken literally.
You need the fall to have occurred to justify the salvation concept. This is essential to Mormonism and the rest of Christianity. The freewill disobedience of perfect humans, A&E, must be taken literally otherwise we must assume that God deliberately created people to be sinful from the outset, in which case he has no justification for punishing them and no justification for salvation or a Christ. We would have been sinful because of his design error.
11-01-05, 03:05 PM #53
Satan has a very strong hold upon your hearts. And as you stumble over these doctrines he laughs as you revel in the mud and filth he prepared for you to fall in.
11-01-05, 03:11 PM #54
11-01-05, 03:14 PM #55Originally Posted by Cris
11-01-05, 03:22 PM #56
I wouldn't say that it is relevant, as much as it is expedient--for you to know that you are digging a pit for your brothers to fall in. And inasmuch as you prepare this pit for them to fall in, you will be the one to fill it. As deep as you dig it, so also will be the fall.
You blaspheme precious truths revealed to us, for our salvation.
11-01-05, 03:23 PM #57Originally Posted by Cris
We'd probably be the be way past birth control issues, we'd be fully utilising "alternative" energy sources and we'd have terraformed the planets we could, built "moon" bases on whichever moons we could, manipulated space-time (travel) and be on the continuous search for "new worlds and new civilizations", and to "boldly go" "where no man (or child)" in the present world will hope to go anytime soon.
Most likely we'd have mastered recycling techonologies so that air generation and nutrition wouldn't be a problem. Also, the universe is a big place. Infinite if I can recall? I guess it'd take an infinite number of humans to fill it... then it's expanding... I wonder if we could fill it.
Looking at it like that... I say we put our energies into building a time machine and going back to A&E's time. We tie them up and threaten to kill their asses if they dare eat that fruit - the world might be a place more to my techy tastes.
11-01-05, 03:52 PM #58
Hi and welcome to sciforums.
That is somewhat like asking; "If I wasn't born how would the world be different?"
My point though is that the issue shouldn't be speculative. If God were to have really existed and truly intended that the garden was to be perfect and permanent with perfect beings then those intentions and plans should be far more obvious than they are. The myth-makers really hadn't thought that through and merely wanted to get to the part when man becomes bad and hence justifies the punishment/reward style religions to follow.
11-01-05, 03:55 PM #59
This is the history that is relevant to us. Father Adam and Mother Eve-- Fell by partaking of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. There is consequence to sin. And all things physical are a representation of what happens spiritually. This physical world dies. And in this same likeness, the spirit will fall and die when separated from God. God is the posessor of the keys of life and sustains all life. BUT it's predicated upon His law and His government.
Many things we experience on earth is a lesson, and truth, taught to us from God. Hence the fall of Adam and Eve affects us literally and is part of the consequence to sin, as well as a lesson to show us--where life came from. Who gave it to us. And what we must do--to perpetuate our own lives into eternity.
11-01-05, 04:14 PM #60
So the only creation that can govern itself, is the offspring of God. Every other creation is governed by and obeys God perfectly. From the planets to the molecules and atoms that compose the universe.
However the only kingdom that a child of God can inherit outside of the government and laws of God, which are the laws of Eternity; the only kingdom that they can inherit is a kingdom of misery and endless torment. According to the misery and torment of satan who is the author of sin.
Because a universe of thought and potential is at our disposal, and only God can navigate us from our birth and into immortality and Eternal Life.