Interesting study for those seeking proof

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by mhat, Oct 22, 2005.

  1. mhat Registered Member

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    Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I've been reading a couple of really interesting threads you guys got going on here. ie. Time Slips and spoon bending

    I've noticed some of you seeking real tested evidence of such PK/TK abilities. Here is something that you may find of interest. This is a small peice taken from the Teleportation Physics Study by the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory in August 2004 The full section on PK Teleportation starts on page 55 and I recommend reading it, here is the piece I found most interesting.


    "The Chinese papers are all extremely interesting and very well written, and they show photographs and schematic diagrams of the various experimental setups. The experimental protocols were explained in lengthy detail, and thorough data and statistical analysis were presented in the results. The combined results from the several Chinese experiments showed that:

    different research groups designed different experimental protocols, used different gifted psychics, used different sealed containers, and used different test specimens (live insects, bulk inanimate objects, and even radio micro-transmitters were used to track the location of the specimens) that were to be teleported;

    the time required for the teleportation of test specimens through various barriers was anywhere from a fraction of a second to several minutes, and this was not dependent on the test specimen that was used, the sealed container that was used (or its barrier thickness), which experimental protocol was used, or which psychic was being used

    the high-speed photography/videotaping recorded in one series of experiments that test specimens would physically “meld” or blend with the walls of sealed containers; and recorded in a different series of experiments that test specimens would simply disappear from inside the container only to reappear at another location (after seconds to several minutes of time transpired), such that the test specimen did not actually undergo total material disintegration/reintegration during teleportation – this data is important, because without the aid of electronic monitoring instruments, the average person’s sensory organs and usual methods of detection are temporarily unable to perceive the test specimen’s (ambiguous) existence during the teleportation process;

    the radio micro-transmitter used as a test specimen in one series of experiments (Shuhuang et al.,1981) transmitted a radio signal to several stationary electronic instruments/receivers, so that the specimen could be tracked and monitored (via signal amplitude and frequency measurements)during the teleportation process; the experimenters discovered that there was large fluctuations in the intensity (in both amplitude and frequency) of the monitored signal to the effect that it would either completely disappear or become extremely weak (to the extent that the monitoring instruments could scarcely detect it) – it was discovered that there was a definite correlation between the change in strength (i.e., radical frequency shifts were observed) of the monitored radio signal and the teleportation of the test specimen, such that the weak or absent signal indicated that the specimen was “nonexistent” (or in an altered physical state) during teleportation (note: the monitored signal amplitude and frequency of the micro-transmitter specimen were stable before and after teleportation);

    before and after “passing through the container wall/barrier”, the test specimen and the container’s wall/barrier are both complete solid objects;

    the gifted psychics were never allowed to see (they were blindfolded in many experiments) or touch each of the test specimens or the sealed containers before and after experiments were conducted, and only the experimenters touched the specimens and containers (using both blind and double-blind protocols);

    the experimental results were all repeatable

    the conditions for fraud and sleight of hand were totally eliminated, and multiple independent outside witnesses (technical and military-intelligence experts) were present at all times to ensure total fidelity of the experiments"
     
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  3. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I am posting the information from Edwards AFB for my self as I intend to test the validity of the document's existence in the future:

    Air Force Flight Test Center
    Civilian Personnel - 95MSS/DPCS
    1-866-EDWJOBS
    FAX: (661) 277-4639
    E-mail comments: edwards-elite-jobs@edwards.af.mil
    Last updated: July 29, 2004 Public Affairs
    95 ABW/PA
    15 E. Yeager Blvd.
    Edwards AFB, CA 93524 Public Affairs: (661) 277-3510
    FAX: (661) 277-2732
    DSN: 527-3510
    Base Operator: (661) 277-1110

    If they agree the document is what it is then I'll consider its content.
     
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  5. mhat Registered Member

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    You do that CC and get back to us!
     
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  7. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I just left a voicemail for the Community Affairs folks off of an electronic menu delivered to me via the Public Affairs # (661) 277-3510. I am not sure if they are the right people to talk to and I suspect they can re-direct my inquiry to the appropriate folks in any case.
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    My call was returned by Dennis Shoffner and he directed me to the right contacts / phone numbers whom could help me:

    AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY
    Ranney Adams - 661-275-5465
    Alternative - 937-656-(9876 or 9010 or 9104 or 0826)

    I was informed that the bulk of these folks tend to take vacations at the end of the year and if I can't reach anyone then there should be much better availability in January.

    I'll reach out to the numbers Dennis gave me at my earliest opportunity.
     
  9. mhat Registered Member

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    I encourage your intent to validate this document. The report has been out for awhile and there was quite a bit of criticism from the american public on the cost.
     
  10. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I intend to and I am actually surprised that the criticism was on the cost rather than the content.
     
  11. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Bob Parks, author of Voodoo Science, had this to say:

    1. WARPED SCIENCE: BEAM ME UP SCOTTY, THEY'RE CRAZY DOWN HERE.
    Making the rounds in Washington this week is a 75-page Air Force Research Laboratory report, Teleportation Physics Study (my spell checker balks on "teleportation," and well it should). This is not the IBM entangled photon stuff; this is transporting people across space. The subway does that, but it's not included in the report. Instead it describes "conveyance of persons by psychic means," and "transport through extra space dimensions or parallel universes." The contractor for the study was Warp Drive Metrics in Las Vegas, and the author was Eric W. Davis, PhD, FBIS. We couldn't find Dr. Davis in American Men and Women of Science, so we googled him and Warp Drive Metrics. Warp Drive Metrics has no website. We did find an article by Dr. Davis, Wormhole Induction Propulsion, prepared for the 1997 NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Workshop, which NASA had refused to allow me to attend (WN 15 Aug 97). His affiliation then was the National Institute for Discovery Science, Las Vegas. The NIDS website displays an Oct 15, 04 notice from its president that the Institute is on an "inactive status." Desperate for information, we contacted the Project Manager of the study, Dr. Franklin Mead, Senior Scientist of the Advanced Concepts Office. He's not listed in American Men and Women of Science either, but he has a 1996 Patent (5,590,031) for a system to convert zero point energy to electrical energy. Apparently it's not available yet. He could not give me the exact cost of the teleportation report, but said the subcontractor, ERC Inc., would know. We called ERC, but teleportation is just one small part of a huge contract. Two weeks ago we learned of the Air Force positron bomb (WN 15 Oct 04). How many fantasy weapons are taxpayers buying?

    http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN04/wn102904.html

    The July-August 2005 Skeptical Inquirer ran this article in its News column: Randi's Pigasus Awards go to prayer study, psychic travel, Ramtha 'bleep' film.

    Category 2, to the funding organization that supported the most useless study of a supernatural, paranormal, or occult claim: We honor the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory, which paid $25,000 to Eric W. Davis (Ph.D., FBIS) and a Las Vegas company called Warp Drive Metrics to study the "conveyance of persons by psychic means" and "transport through extra space dimensions or parallel universes." For their/our money, the U.S.A.E received a seventy-eight-page report, "Teleportation Physics Study," a mass of mathematical calculations and diagrams with much dissertation on "wormholes" and "parallel universes." An annual expenditure of some $7 million on this project was recommended by the report, since Warp Drive Metrics concluded that: "We are still very far away from being able to entangle and teleport human beings and bulk inanimate objects." Really? Who knew

    It would appear that the question isn't whether the study was really conducted, it is who misappropriated the money for the nonsense?

    From the report itself, “There are a lot of important little details that were left out of the teleportation process because we simply do not know what they are. This technology does not yet exist.”

    No shit.
     
  12. mhat Registered Member

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    What nonsense? We are trying to uncover a new part of our world/universe. I think it is great that we are trying these new things.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The article in question:

    http://www.nidsci.org/articles/davis/wormhole_induction.html

    MY BS indicator went completely off the scale.

    It is exactly these type of pseudoscientific scams I detest the most. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
     
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  15. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Guys, you're ruining my mojo here. I want to get the folks at the AFRL to comment on this.
     
  16. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    The mis-named National Discovery Institute for Science is but a propaganda mill for pseudoscience. Probably everything they produce is cleaverly disguised nonsense. That someone in government was willing to allocate funds for a study they were associated with implies bureaucratic incompetence and deception. The NDIS hasn't demonstrated with any consistent ability (if at all) to actually "uncover" anything useful about our "world/universe"
     
  17. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    In all truth, I'm looking forward to seeing what the comment will be.
     
  18. mhat Registered Member

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    Anyways a scientific study was done that shows psychic abilities proved through scientific experiments. The experimental results were all repeatable.
     
  19. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Really? And you have a citation to the peer-reviewed journal that published this study?

    No such study has yet been established.
     
  20. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that was said, but by whom? The "brilliant" Eric W. Davis who is associated with a defunct "research" institute?

    Pardon me as I go away laughing...
     
  21. mhat Registered Member

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    No by the Chinese
     
  22. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Really? Only according to that one ridiculous report. Have you noticed that China hasn't published such a report? That should tell you something.
     
  23. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Er, so why aren't we all using our psychic abilities daily, if the experiments are 'repeatable'.

    'repeatable' science brought us various things we use daily, like our computers, cellphones, and microwave ovens.

    Where's the benefits of this 'psychic' research? Hmmm?
     

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