Illuminatii, and conspiracy theories in general

[spidergoat]

I finally tracked down MattMarr's basic set of presumptions.

The antichrist (total evil) :

The same people that control the banks, insurance companies, big factories, big real estate.
The same people that control all the mass media in the NATO countries.
The same people that control the major christian churches, including the Vatican, since John XXIII, except for a short month (1).
The same people that are organised as a secret society in a pyramid of secrecy grades. A secret society from which, after the first grades, there's no escape.
The same people that believe that their god (satan) created a few enlighened (they, the illuminati) and a mass of slaves, whose only purpose is to serve them until the day they decide they should be slaughtered.
The same people that saw the confirmation of the apocalyptic effects of the atomic bomb, in 1945, as the ultimate proof of their religion, the triumph of evil : the proof that evil was capable of destroying creation; in particular the proof that a few illuminati could destroy billions of sheeple in seconds.

The very same people that already before had seen the confirmation of their religion in the fact that they could use such simple means to control the sheeple so perfectly :
- total control of the mass media and schools;
- let the media, schools and major christian churches make people believe that there is no God (evolution theory, the most grotesque and sucessfull lie ever found);
- let the media, schools and "christian" leaders make people believe that "GOOD is BAD and BAD is GOOD". This tactic relies on two priorities : obscuring and inverting the line. Examples : it's not possible to trace a line between BAD and GOOD, everything is gray (2a); belief in God leads to a violent world (2b); creation can be improved (genetical engineering); human life is irrelevant (abortion); family is an obstacle to "individual freedom"; sense of life is to become God ("conquest of the universe" : moon landing hoax in 1969; "explanation of life" (new "discoveries" to "update" evolution theory) and "explanation of the universe" (Big Bang, UFO hoax, etc) (3).
- let the media and schools make people believe that they have the right of choice (2c).

The illuminati leaders realised and agreed in 1986, in one of their secret meetings, that the system could only survive at most another 20 years (end of non-renewable resources, demographics, ethnic distribution).
That day they decided that mankind should be reduced to a maximum of 2 million slaves the latest until 2005.
The main tactic goal would be to gain control of Russia's nuclear arsenal and complete the task before any other country gained mutual assured destruction capabilities.

Since the tactic didn't include the survival of western societies in the middle run (beyond those 20 years), these were some other tactics used :
- increase to maximum intensity the brainwash agenda of the masses in the West, so that these could be reduced to zombies (total sheeple), incapble of reacting even at the sight of the doors of the slaugherhouse.
(4) Examples of how the brainwash agenda "GOOD is BAD and BAD is GOOD" was pushed to the utter limits : homosexual political leaders; gay adoption; pedophile "priests"; child pornography; sex slavery; legalised genocide of elder in hospitals and homes for elderly as "euthanasia"; generalised drugs addiction : pills, chemical food, marihuana, ecstasy, cocain, heroine, etc (5); genocide of believers.

- mass imigration of muslims to the West. One of the reasons was to use them as a weapon of terror against the natives, as some of these would start reacting, finally realising they were being transported to the slaugherhouse). Muslim leaders would keep these masses quiet, with the real prospect that in "a few years we will be the majority and will take the power". (6)

- maximum consumption of the last non-renewable resources during that period, to be able to keep productive system going on "normally" until the final showdown.

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message sent by Matt Marriott, to the CNN Kosovo Board, March 24, 1999 - a few minutes before the carpet bombing in Europe started again, after a pause of almost 54 years.
Notes :
1 - Vatican not included, because this would lead to immediate deletion of the message

2 - Mind control techniques of acceptance by association and refusal by dissociation intensively used.
a) - Example : I perceive Bush as evil. Bush says : there is GOOD and there is BAD. This will lead me to refuse that assertion (dissociation). Conclusions : I reject what Bush says; I'm convinced that everything is gray.
b) - Example : Bush presents himself and is presented by the media as a "christian fundamentalist"; Bush bombs the opposition to oblivion. Conclusions : belief in God leads to extremism; belief in God is incompatible with a peaceful world (dissociation).
c) - Example : media is telling me 24 hours a day that Kerry is the alternative to Bush and vice-versa.
If the starting point is my aversion to Bush (say, because of the Iraq war), even if I was originally a critic of "homosexual marriage", I will start accepting it, since it's part of Kerry's agenda (association).

3 - the best examples to illustrate how grotesque this path is now, is (besides the Photoshop creations of NASA of Mars Rovers, spaceships landing on asteroids or crashing in Jupiter ) the Rahelian cloning hoax, that the "serious" media has been regularly bringing into headlines ...

4 - list extended with current examples.

5 - muslims massively used to secure production and supply routes (Balkans - Kosovo; Afghanistan 2.5 years later).

6 - this is the reason why there were no muslim terror attacks in the West.
Only total brainwash and the basic "BIG LIE technique" mechanisms ("the truth is too horrible to dig in") can prevent people from seeing that 9/11 was a Reichstag operation executed by the illuminati.
The Madrid bombings, March 11, 2004 is not as obvious, it was also planned as a Reichstag operation.

It makes me curious about what drives someone to believe such things. Is there any truth to it?
Is it similar to religion, i.e. wanting to be in-the-know?
Assuming it's all true, is there anything one could do about it?
What is an appropriate attitude towards this knowledge from MAtt's point of view?
Is it plausable for any group to exercise such control over people?
What would be the motive for wanting 2 million slaves, since they already seem to have great power?
Is Matt's theory unique, or a mirror of some other author or book?
What is the source of the idea?
Is Matt just a paranoid schizophrenic?
He seems to have a Christian point of view, but decries popular Christians. Is thier message any different?

The illuminati leaders realised and agreed in 1986, in one of their secret meetings, that the system could only survive at most another 20 years (end of non-renewable resources, demographics, ethnic distribution).

If their meeting was secret, how did anyone find out about it? If we know the subject of the meeting, what about the location? What about the participants?
Is Matt really an operative of the Daughters of the American Revolution?

[duendy]

first..thanks for re-prsenting that good summary bout the things said about the Illuminati.......2nd, where is this Mat?

is it true? some question that.......
what is totally interesting me via my own research about just this subject, is the preponderence of Christian sites/autors who speak about the Illuminiti frpm teir own Christian prspective....i have not been able to find ONE feminist--for example Oeven those very familiar with aalyzing the patriarcchyP who speaks about the Illuminati and their supposed Luciferian philosophy. quite frustrating

so i am witness this strange contest all over the net between the Christians vs the Luciferians.....tho alternative news sources do speak about issues to do with tis, they seem neutrl regarding pushing a religious angle at you. they just report discrepinces....that's how i have read what i've rea of em nyhow

wht seriosly pisss me off when rading about the lluminiti throug chrisian eyes, is that in their ondemnation ofit the also include omophobic views, ant'feminist view, anti-psychedelic views et etc. so it becmes like the kettle callin thepot blck. they 'BOTH' want tp control te individual!

[spidergoat]

It seems to be a sort of Christian perspective, but he thinks:

"christian" leaders make people believe that "GOOD is BAD and BAD is GOOD".

OK, I can understand that, they are hypocritical, but do they promote:

it's not possible to trace a line between BAD and GOOD, everything is gray

I don't think so, from what I have heard, they are very rigid about good and bad. Or:

(2a); belief in God leads to a violent world

Again, I think the common Christian view is that Christianity will bring peace and harmony as soon as everyone is Christian.

(2b); creation can be improved (genetical engineering);

Again, they are very much against genetic engineering.

human life is irrelevant (abortion);

What Christian church preaches this? None that I'm aware of.

family is an obstacle to "individual freedom";

The very opposite of what we see preached on TV.

[spidergoat]

If they control the Catholic church, then they must have controlled it since it's conception, since the church's views have not changed much since it began.

[fadingCaptain]

What you have here is a man of limited intelligence that can't accept the fact that what he believed true when he was younger (fundamentalist christian) is in fact false and ridiculous.

Therefore he takes the extreme route of justifying his crazy fundamentalist beliefs by finding insane explanations for their pitfalls (see Bush and war, etc.)

[duendy]

From what I have learned up to now.......
The Christian faith is the antithesis of the Illuminati Luciferian philosophy

For example, with the Judaic Christian myth of the Grden of Eden:
For te Cristians, 'od' who is in the arden is the authority, who tells th twonot to at from that tree. Serpent in tree seduces
Eve to at ndshe in turn Adam. then hey get flung out....strictly tho, only Adam does, Eve walks out on her own acord

Now, for the Luciferians,
SERPENT=LUCIFER 'light bringer'--ho for hem is the 'god god' the one who brings intellectual freedom from 'bad god', 'Adonay'

[spidergoat]

What are Matt's lessons?

-Conservation
-Prohibiting muslims from the west
-Traditional Christian values
-No euthanasia for the terminally ill
-Do not allow gays to adopt or hold political office
-eat organic food
-don't use illegal drugs
-disarm Russia
-evolution is false
-there was no moon landing
-the space program is fake
-no genetic engineering
-no abortion
-creationism is true
-pro-family (does Matt have kids?)
-pro-independent media

I wonder, why would God allow the Illuminati to be successful?

[duendy]

What are Matt's lessons?

-Conservation

I would rather...Ecoliteracy (Fritjof Capra)

-Prohibiting muslims from the west

errr, from doing what?

-Traditional Christian values

shudder!!!!!!

-No euthanasia for the terminally ill

Typically Christian. originating in their dogma as 'God' desiring his 'creatures' to suffer. Another reeason why they persecuted midwives. Because they helped ease women's labour and births.

-Do not allow gays to adopt or hold political office

oh of course. Homophobia. they LOVE this.

-eat organic food

yes i agree wit tis, and do it.

-don't use illegal drugs

i obviosly ignorant about the whole fascistic enterprise of the 'war on...' scenario. in tis case its purpose is oppression of the 'underclass', andthe coert fueling--via drug mony--for corporate war. also it is a war against psychedelic experience, which is evil

-disarm Russia

how exactly? through war??

-evolution is false

ahaaa a creationist. what a surprise. toug it also has to be stressed the danger of th dogma of social darwinsim

-there was no moon landing

propbably not

-the space program is fake

i see it as the Illuminat elite strutting their stuff

-no genetic engineering

i agree. itis sleepwalking mechano heads trying to one up on Nature

-no abortion

who says? MEN? it ahould be soley up to the woman whether or not she wants an abortion!

-creationism is true

altogther nowwww. 'cause theee bible tells me soooo'

-pro-family (does Matt have kids?)

who IS this matt--you still aint told me....and of bleedin course. family values hey. wit the patriarch at the head and missy doing all the kitchen chores. can just see his beard gettin longer and longr and.....and familay TV sucks big time too

-pro-independent media

ahaaa as LONG as they dont talk openling about the benefits of psychedelic experience, ays ights, and showing up bullshite like some of the stuff tis dude is layin on us

I wonder, why would God allow the Illuminati to be successful?

rthe quation contains an unexamined premise....'God'

[DwayneD.L.Rabon]

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[night]

Ever read Angels and demons??<----Good Book----> Its by Dan Brown and its all about the illuminati, (Illuminatus, for describing a member) taking over the world almost blowing us St. Peter's balisca...yeah w/e. Anyway, The last known illuminatus was discovered back in 1913, but no one has been discovered sense then. A dead underground cult(i believe)= The illuminati

[night]

The illuminati use special images that looked the same right side up and upside down. I believe they are called anagrams???? anyway I have included their main one. The have 5 more, one for Earth, wind, fire, water, and one that includes all 4 elements. No man made designs have been made of these images. Only due to recent computer enhancement have these been possible.

Night

[Communist Hamster]

I think its called a palindrome.

[night]

Yeah thats it

[spidergoat]

Coincidentally, Palindrome is also an interesting movie out now by Todd Solondz.

(That gif is good enough to steal.)

[Communist Hamster]

You seem to have already stolen it.

[spidergoat]

Yeah, here an awesome free on-line gif editor:
http://www.gifworks.com/index.php

[spidergoat]

who IS this matt--you still aint told me....and of bleedin course. family values hey. wit the patriarch at the head and missy doing all the kitchen chores. can just see his beard gettin longer and longr and.....and familay TV sucks big time too

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=48671

[Prince_James]

This doesn't really belong in the philosophy forum. Politics, pseudoscience, or some other area would be more appropriate.

[Ophiolite]

I think its called a palindrome.

The palindrome of Bolton would be Notlob. Lovely plumage.

[Hapsburg]

Me and my friends have a theory that the government of the United States is run, not by the visible government of the Three Branches, but by the CIA, NSA, and FBI. Think of it: the Assassination of JFK when he didn't get us into Vietnam, Nixon being forced to resign when he got us out of 'nam, etc. They fuckin' set it up, framed 'em, and got 'em out of the picture, one way or another...so that the military and the CIA and FBI could have thier little war. Also, Roswell, and the Clinton "jizzgate" scandal.

Does that qualify as "illuminati"-type conspiracy theories?