04-09-05, 08:45 AM #1
prove to me that god is real
any religion i dont care which just prove to me that your god is real! thanks in advance
04-09-05, 09:56 AM #2
Why? It wouldn't make you believe in god anyway, right?
A belief is not something that one needs to prove to others in order to believe it. The belief is enough for many ...no proof is necessary. That's the basic principle of religious "belief". If you ain't got it, you ain't likely to find it in some silly "proof".
04-09-05, 10:10 AM #3
i still want prove that he/she/it is really
04-09-05, 10:27 AM #4
Prove? How? Even if he exists, it wouldn't be possible to prove it. There are lots of things that exist, people believe in them, but they can't be proven.
04-09-05, 12:09 PM #5
04-09-05, 12:45 PM #6
I am God. I am real.
I have spoken.
04-09-05, 02:33 PM #7
Please give us the criteria for what you would consider 'proof'. Without this, the request is indeed useless.
04-09-05, 02:48 PM #8
Without first deciding what the criteria for what one would consider 'proof', the request is indeed useless.
04-09-05, 03:15 PM #9
proof: show something that I, nor anyone else, can refute with more certainty than what you have shown.
i.e. show a tangible piece of evidence that anyone can reproduce, if they so choose, that can prove the existence of a god beyond a reasonable doubt.
if god(s) really wanted people to believe in him/her/it/them then that evidence would exist.
04-09-05, 04:00 PM #10Originally Posted by Yorda
The existence of a thing can be conclusively proved by producing one single instance of the thing.
To put that another way: -
When the existence of a thing is denied, This can be proven wrong by producing one single instance of the thing said not to exist
The non-existence of a thing can never be conclusively proved because there is always the theoretical assumption that the thing exists but has not been seen yet or it exists in a place that can not be visited. Unless all places in the universe have been visited and are being constantly observed, we can not be absolutely certain.
From this we can say that there are only two possible statements we can make about the existence of a thing:
The thing exists.
It is unknown if the thing exists or not.
It is not possible to prove that a thing "does not exist" without further qualifying criteria.
If a thing does NOT exist it can not leave any evidence of it's non-existence. Only things that DO exist can leave evidence. From this we can derive that conclusive proof can only come from the person that claims that a thing exists. It is nonsensical to demand proof of non-existence.
Originally Posted by yorda
04-09-05, 04:16 PM #11
Originally Posted by cato
Originally Posted by audible
04-09-05, 04:20 PM #12
dansufc does have a very good point.
has anyone got any proof then that he does actually exist?
04-09-05, 05:09 PM #13
04-09-05, 05:15 PM #14
04-09-05, 06:27 PM #15
Originally Posted by ellion
Originally Posted by (Q)
04-09-05, 06:29 PM #16
(1) "As real as anything else."
• Humans invent gods
• Therefore, gods are ideas
• Ideas exist and have measurable value in the form of brain impulses
• Therefore gods exist
(2) "God the Abstraction, Slayer of Paradox?"
• The word "God", in various aspects, can represent an abstract state that means all there is.
• Viewing the totality of the existence is paradoxical
• This paradox is represented in the word "God" according to a monotheistic assertion
• This paradox is an idea central to human questions that defy answers, e.g.:
(What is the purpose of life?)• Ideas exist and have measurable value in the form of brain impulses
(What is reality?)
(What is death?)
• Therefore gods exist
• Furthermore, as the idea of "God" is a tool humans use to consider the "all there is", and thereby disarm the paradox, it can be said that,
• Gods exist and have function.
04-09-05, 08:01 PM #17
Prove that god is real? Read the bible. I mean what more proof could you possibly want? And if that is not good enough, there is no shortage of red-faced firebrand evangelist willing to explain it to you. Not only will they prove to you that god exist, they will let you know what it is god wants you to do. And I would warn against being critical of this new information. To do so will surely result in an eternity of unimaginable agony. So be sure aquire this proof with great caution.
04-09-05, 09:26 PM #18
First I didn't believe or disbelieve (unconsciousness), then I disbelieved (outer consciousness), then I believed (inner consciousness), and then I didn't believe or disbelieve (conscious unconsciousness).
I believe you, maybe.
04-09-05, 09:43 PM #19
Originally Posted by dansufc
a bogey man to scare simpleminded morrons into submission and obedience,
and exploit them financialy.
04-09-05, 10:02 PM #20
Originally Posted by machaon
bible is just a book writen by some ancient tribe of goat herders who made up all those silly Creation stories,
which btw completely contradict the reality of earths fossil record,scientific discoveries and all our knowledge of age of the universe,earth and how things work,buybull is just that ..a fictious fantasy,
and its sad anyone today in the year of 2005 would still believe it
And if that is not good enough, there is no shortage of red-faced firebrand evangelist willing to explain it to you. Not only will they prove to you that god exist, they will let you know what it is god wants you to do.
Open your wallet!
And I would warn against being critical of this new information. To do so will surely result in an eternity of unimaginable agony.
it wont work for the simple reason that
people dont live for eternity b/c SOUL DOESNT EXIST!