chistians are hypocrites

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  1. audible un de plusieurs autres Registered Senior Member

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    Christians are hypocrites



    Christians, they love to talk about how “loving”, “dutiful” and “compassionate” they are, yet I have yet to meet ONE who does not practice hypocrisy to the highest degree. Their willful ignorance of the Bible combined with their two faced idealism to preach it, has made us sick, hasn’t it? For nearly two thousand years Biblicists have been lecturing people on the importance of adhering to the Bible’s teachings on ethics, manners, and morality. They quote Jesus and Paul profusely, with a liberal sprinkling of Old Testament moralism. The problem with their approach lies not only in an oft- noted failure to practice what they preach, but an equally pronounced tendency to ignore what the Bible itself, preaches. Christians practice what can only be described as “selective morality”. What they like, they cling to and shove down other’s throats; what they don’t like, they ignore vehemently. That which is palatable and acceptable is supposedly applicable to all; while that which is obnoxious, inconvenient, or self-denying is only applicable to those addressed 2,000 years ago. Their hypocrisy is so rampant that even the validity of calling oneself “Christian” is in question. I see so many people enjoy quoting the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and some of Paul’s sermons, but don’t even PRETEND to heed other, equally valid, maxims. I’ve mentioned pro-life and conservatism in other sermons. This one is going to sum up the rest of my beefs.

    Hypocrisy of Marital Relationships: So many Christians try to rationalize this but it is clear that a true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone nor marry someone who is divorced. There is an exception to the rule, however. If spouse commits adultery, divorce is permissible. On the same token, the Bible also says that anyone who obtains a divorce and marries another is in adulterer. Remember that 80% of this country is Christian yet we have a 50% divorce rate. A majority of divorces are a result of irreconcilable differences” not adultery”, which implies that Christians are again practicing selective morality. How many Christians are working on a second, third or fourth marriage?

    1) “So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder” (Matthew 19:6 & Mark 10:9)

    2) “whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” (Matthew 5:32, 19:9 & Luke 16:18).

    3) ”Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery” (Matthew 5:32).

    4) ”...whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her” (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18), which applies to women as well-(Mark 10:12).

    On to another beef: The Christian attempts to put prayer into schools run directly counter to biblical teachings. Jesus said prayer should be a private affair devoid of public display: “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret...“ (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV). Biblicists violate this on a regular basis and have no intention of correcting their behavior. They demand that evolution be taken out of the curriculum. They demand parochial school receive voucher programs so that they may collect public funding. Christians continuously pray in public, IE: churches, street corners, schools, courts, etc. yet all the while they never stop to think this is in direct violation to the god they pray to. I, of course, know why this is voluntarily ignored. Public prayer forces the peers of school children to jump on the band wagon and pray. We are all aware that the church is simply a business which employs tactics similar to that of tobacco industries in recruiting consumers. Get the kids while they are young and vulnerable so that they become donating members of the church when they reach adulthood. I find it humorous that other businesses warn their consumers on the package that it is dangerous to one’s health while Churches don’t put warning labels on the bible for the pornography and immorality it contains. The psychological damage organized religion causes is notably prevalent. Cancer from smoking and cirrhosis from drinking is JUST AS HARMFUL as the psychosis believers develop concerning reality. The “I see demons” complex is more rampant in Christians then it is in acid dropping space cadets. I am not saying this as a joke. There are literal studies done on this topic and they are in accordance to what I am conveying here.

    Christians always use the excuse that the above mentioned verse is some how “metaphorical” yet they take Paul’s maxim that men should pray with their heads uncovered very seriously. I assume this is generally followed because removing one’s hat isn’t particularly inconvenient. “Any man who prays or prophecies with his head covered dishonors his head…“(1 Corinthians 11:4 RSV). On the other hand, Paul’s tenet that women must keep their heads covered with a veil during prayer is quite inconvenient and, for this reason, has either been rationalized away or ignored, although it is no less binding than any other moral law in the New Testament: “…but any woman who prays or prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head… For if a woman will not veil herself, then we should cut off her hair: but if it be disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil… Judge for yourself; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with head uncovered?” (1 Corinthians 11:5-13 RSV) The selectivity in which these verses are followed SCREAMS hypocrisy.



    More Commonly Ignored Teachings:

    1) ”Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?” --l Corinthians 11:14). How many freaked out long-haired, bible thumping Jesus freaks do you know? Perhaps this is just my experience, but I can name 12 such individuals off the top of my head. Surely, you can recall at least ONE LONG-HAIRED CHRISTIAN. The stereotypical version of CHRIST HIMSELF ! Think of the numerous statues and pictures Christians adore depicting the lord appearing as that which he detests. One can not stop and wonder at the absurdity of this.

    2) Another tenet clearly prohibits women from being ministers or otherwise speaking in church (“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak”-- 1 Corinthians 14:34). It’s difficult to see how Paul could support the current movement to ordain women. Why, Jesus would shit himself knowing that even I, an ATHEIST WOMAN, has managed to get herself legally ordained.

    3) A third tenet prohibits men and women from wearing each other’s clothing (“The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God”--Deuteronomy 22:5). Funny thing, two female Jehovah Witnesses came over this morning, they coffee clutched with my neighbor Jenny, a fellow Christian and ALL THREE of these women were wearing pant suits!

    4) Ever watch these Christians on television and notice how their bowed heads uniformly shake amen while some evangelist goes on and on in prayer for a fucking hour? Well, repetitious and monotonous praying is in violation of Matthew 6:7. “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

    5) Christians are not supposed to take their disputes before non-Christian courts or judges. (“If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” -- 1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV) How interesting! Considering that state is separate from church all courts are supposedly “ungodly”. Does this stop Christians from tying up the supreme court with law suits concerning school prayer, abortion, or numerous other absurdities? Hell no it doesn’t, and my taxes are paying the fucking bill for their hypocrisy!

    6) Christian women are supposed to dress discreetly (“...that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire”--l Timothy 2:9 RSV; and “Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing”-- 1 Peter 3 :3). Violations of these rules are too numerous to mention. Just visualize Tammy Faye Baker’s mascara laden eyes and gold encrusted wrists.

    7) Here is perhaps the mother of verses ignored: “Judge not, that ye be not judged”-Matthew 7:1 and “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven”-Luke 6:37. I have yet to meet a Christian who has not “judged” my atheism. The whole world is chalk full of judges, juries, voters, employers, teachers, etc. which are all constantly judging others.

    8) Believers are supposed to hate their parents when they follow Jesus (“If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple”-- Luke 14:26). Well, considering that Christians do not abandon their families but usually attempt to brainwash them they are all guilty of not following this verse. “It’s symbolic”, yeah, I know your lame ass defense to this one already.

    9) They are not to oppose evil (“But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also”-- Matthew 5:39). If this were followed one might just as well abolish law enforcement.

    10) Biblicists are not allowed to call anyone “father” (“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”--Matthew 23:9). Not only is this rule ignored on a DAILY BASIS, but Catholicism (which is supposedly infallible) uses “father” as a specific title.

    11) Christians are not supposed to plan or prepare. God will provide (“Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or that ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on... Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, not gather into barns; yet your heavenly father feedth them. Are ye not much better than they?” --Matthew 6:25-34 & Luke 12:22-31 inclusive). I see Christian conservatives plot on a daily basis how to fuck over their employees so they can reap more profits.

    12) Lastly, Jesus, who clearly is of greater importance than Paul, said the Old Law was to remain in force until heaven and earth passed away and all is accomplished (“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven”-Matthew 5:18-19 RSV). Heaven and earth still exist and many prophecies are not yet fulfilled. How many times have you heard some lame ass Christian say “the Old testament doesn’t matter, Jesus was the lamb and abolished it”? Don’t let them get away with this shit for even the bible says that they should still be following the Old Law.

    This verse leads me into an observation of how clear their selective morality can be exposed. Take for instance how Biblicists approach the Old Testament. They leap in and out of the Old Law like a porpoise in a ship’s wake. If they like it, they quote it; if they don’t, they won’t. Among the scores of verses they enjoy and employ are those which teach the following:

    13) Contact with mediums or wizards is forbidden (“Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God”-- Leviticus 19:3 1 RSV, see also: Leviticus 20:6 & Deuteronomy 18: 10-12). Here’s an interesting little stat; Christians more then any other faith consult mystics and self-proclaimed oracles.

    14) People should give one-tenth of their income to the Lord, which Biblicists equate with church (“And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s...And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord”--Leviticus 27:30-32)

    15) Tattoos are anathema: (“You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord”--Leviticus 19:28) Despite this teaching I manage to see Mexican Catholics daily with tattoos of the Virgin Mary, Jesus or a set of praying hands on their forearms and shoulder blades.

    16) Money cannot be lent at interest to your brother, only to foreigners (Deuteronomy 23: 19-20) Ahhh, I’m recalling all the Christian banking corporations....

    17) Eating pork is forbidden (Deuteronomy 14:8). Hmm, I’ve never met a Christian who DIDN’T enjoy bacon and eggs.

    18) A man must marry and have relations with his dead brother’s wife (Deuteronomy 25:5-6). This goes without explaining of course.

    19) A seducer must marry an unengaged virgin whom he seduces (Exodus 22:16-17)

    20) A raped, unengaged virgin must marry her rapist and they can never divorce (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). What justice the “moral majority” advocates!

    21) There are several petty and silly little verses in the O.T., but none the less, they are to be followed. I guess it’s okay to disobey the lord for fashion’s sake. Beards can’t be rounded (Leviticus 19:27); A garment composed of wool and linen can’t be worn (Deuteronomy 22:11); Note: this explains why you will commonly see orthodox Jews with the long beards and black clothing. I say Christians should do this too so we can identify their stupidity upon first impression.

    22) Bastards can’t enter the Lord’s congregation. (Deuteronomy 23:2) Hey, I know this is harsh, but God commands it, hence it must be “just”.

    All of these rules are part of the Old Covenant and of equal import. Why quote the Ten Commandments and ignore other tenets? A believer’s obligation to one is no less than his obligation to all. In fact, if under the New Covenant Christians have stepped into the shoes of the Israelites and become, in effect, the new Chosen People, then they should inherit all the privileges and duties of that office. They seem to want the former but not the latter. Biblicists teach, preach, and attempt to reach others with moralism, but are not averse to selectively using that which suits their interests.

    I’d like to close this essay with how to catch a Christian in the act. When you see them expounding a verse and ignoring another, call them on it. I know what you’ll hear. They’ll say, “that’s from the Old Law and we aren’t under the Old Law anymore”. Trip them with this: “But aren’t the Ten Commandments part of the Old Law?” “Yes, but we are obligated to follow them because they are reported in the NT” (Matthew 19:16-18, Mark 10:17-19 & Luke 18:18-22). Immediately point out to them that Jesus omitted half of the Ten Commandments and invented a new one, “though shall not defraud” ! Before they can get a word in edge wise finish them off with: “According to scripture it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of law to fail”(Luke 16:17 & Matthew 5:18-19). “If sin is transgression of the law, as 1 John 3:4 says, then you should be following all of the Old Law.” This, from experience, is the best way to shoot down these idiots and bar them from getting away with their hypocrisy.


    an essay from "The Church of Theists Suck" was written by Charlotte Schnook.
     
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  3. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    waits patiently for c2o to remind audible of just how much of a poor, lost soul is while simulatneously ignoring every word in the post..

    Will take a closer look at the post later but he is right the "we aren't under the Old Law anymore" retort is a perpetual echo.
     
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  5. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    We are not under the power of the law which was to bring death to sinners because we now live by the Spirit that was sent to us. By accepting this free gift we fulfill the law and in our inner beings we delight in the law because it makes us like Him.

    Whatever I may be afraid of, whatever punishment I think I may receive, I only need to remember the very first commandment

    "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"

    The Spirit of God helps me to understand the One that spoke those words to Moses. He is merciful and says to me "My grace is sufficient for thee" and "I came not to judge thee but to save thee"
    God is love and I am a forgiven sinner. I have been the worst.
     
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  7. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Wow, I am a really good prophet..

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  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    So it's no problem having other Gods - so long as they're second, third, or forth . . .

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    Anyway, your just making audible's argument. Therefor you must agree, at least to the point that the Bible is filled with so many stupid laws that not even YOU would dare live your life according to them. So you do as ALL other Christian’s and make some bullshit off-the-cuff excuse to validate living the way YOU want to live and NOT the way God stipulated under His Laws.

    I’m curious c20, didn’t you find ANY of the above Laws from God absolutely moronic? Didn’t any of them strike you as unfair?
     
  9. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    Why do you ask?
     
  10. the preacher fur is loose 666 Registered Senior Member

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    avoid michaels question, why dont you WOW.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    because I wondered if you thought so or not
     
  12. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    Describe your interest in my opinion and it's validity here in a thread entitled "Christians are hypocrites".

    You are trying to trap me into saying "No I think some laws are stupid"
    Then you will say "But if you dont agree with those laws how can you be sure of any other laws"
    Then you will say I am a hypocrite.

    Boring

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    So now that your motives have been exposed since it is not truth that you seek, can you tell me why you do not do even the simplest one of God's laws which is to love thy neigbour as thyself, given that I am a neighbour?

    Do you like to be tripped up in speech Michael? Now go on, act innocent of wrongdoing.

    c20
     
  13. the preacher fur is loose 666 Registered Senior Member

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    WTF is wrong with you, you gave the same answer to micheal in the other thread.
    it's a discussion forum, you discuss things DUH?.
    why dont you just f off, you lunatic, (there all against me god, there all against me.)
    just answer a frigging question.
     
  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    c20, it’s painfully obvious to everyone you don’t live by all of Gods Laws. So it’s obvious you’re a hypocrite – that’s not the point – it’s a given. So no there is no need for me to trick you into admitting you don’t live by all Gods Laws as lain out in the good book – we already can guess that much.

    So again, no tricks.

    I was just interested in which exact laws you thought were particularly too stupid to live by?
     
  15. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Well done, you have described sin. But where was Jesus in all that? Do you forget what He said in answer to all the allegations that he ate with sinners and worked on the Sabbath?
     
  16. audible un de plusieurs autres Registered Senior Member

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    jenyar who are you directing your question too. thank you
     
  17. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe Charlotte Schnook. The essay is almost meaningless - bones only vultures could feed on. It for arguments like these that Jesus said "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

    It's clear that the author would be just as surprised at any other law in the Bible. If she only payed more attention to the introduction to Lev. 19: "Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy." That is the fountain from which all laws spring, and the thirstier you become, the more you will hate each drop that fails to quench your thirst.
     
  18. what768 Guest

    Jesus is not a hypocrite. True Christians follow Jesus, (the word of god) so they are not hypocrites.
     
  19. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    'True' christians, whatever the fuck that means, might very well preach jesus, but the very point of this thread is that they then do the exact opposite of that which they preach, and that which jesus said.

    I would feel it beneficial that you read Audible's post before attempting response to it.

    Furthermore, what makes you say "jesus is not a hypocrite", and how do you justify that claim? Need I resort to pointing out all the hypocricy shown by jesus in the bible?
     
  20. David F. Registered Senior Member

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    All the hypocricy shown by Jesus in the bible? Oh please do, this should be good.
     
  21. David F. Registered Senior Member

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    Audible, while I am waiting for Mr. Snake to list all the hypocricies shown by Jesus in the bible, I read your little diatribe on Christians, and interestingly, I agree with it. You, or at least the author of your essay, has pointed out all the failings (well maybe not all) of Christians today and we will - each and every one of us - say that we are sinners who have failed to keep God's precepts. Yes, only God is perfect. The rest of us are still just trying.

    Yes, there are some of us (maybe the Tammy Faye's of our religion) who claim to be one thing and are in reality something quite different - but I don't think all the fake preachers and healers even makes a dent on the total number of truely faithful. Yes we are all sinners and we all fail to keep some part of God's rules. For myself, I make no excuse - I am guilty, but I am trying to be better.
     
  22. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire." [Jesus speaking]

    ...

    Matthew 23:17 "Ye fools and blind." [Jesus speaking]

    This is just one example I know, but I'm sure you have a bible of your own. Need I mention how he claims to love, and then later smacks someone he doesn't like or many other such instances where he does exactly the opposite of that which he preaches?

    It is hypocrisy: "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess"

    It's like a man telling people not to smoke, while he puffs on a cigar.
     
  23. David F. Registered Senior Member

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    Come on now, you offered a list.

    Yes, anyone who calls another a fool is in "danger of hell fire" What's the problem here? How is this hypocrisy? This is like you trying to tell an engineer how to build a bridge. You haven't a clue yet you are trying to instruct an expert. If I called you a fool, since I don't have a clue about you, I would be wrong... Jesus, on the other hand, is an expert. Jesus knows your heart and he can make an accurate assesment. Jesus is not being a hypocrite.

    Where's the rest of the list? You offered "all the hypocricies".
     

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